Honduran Migrant Caravan
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If the CIA (as in Mena and the Clintons) was still in charge of the area a few death squads are all that is needed. How many did the Jews in Israel use when they routed 700,000 people from their homes in the dead of winter between Nov.47/May48?
https://www.insightcrime.org/news/analysis/new-shows-examine-cia-past-in-latin-america-drug-trade/
A pair of new television programs tackles the role of the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in the erection of Latin American drug routes, and while neither breaks much new ground, both reflect lingering suspicions regarding the agency’s legacy in the region.
FX’s dramatic series “Snowfall” and the four-part History Channel documentary “America’s War on Drugs” both premiered on American television screens this summer. Of the two, “America’s War on Drugs” casts a much wider net, aiming to run down — occasionally at great length and with copious detail — the entire catalog of ideologies and interests animating American drug policy dating back to the 1960s.
A persistent theme in “America’s War on Drugs” is that drug policy is not the product of a rational determination of goals and a calculation of the measures needed to achieve them. Rather, the History Channel filmmakers portray policy development as a grotesque consequence of politicians either cynically exploiting or falling victim to blind ideology and hysteria. And because there is no objective goal guiding American drug policy beyond empty platitudes like “Just say no,” the result is incoherence, waste and failure.
The second focus of the documentary is the Iran-Contra scandal and the CIA’s alleged role in the crack boom of the 1980s. The show explores long-simmering accusations of the CIA’s involvement in drug trafficking, including that the agency may have sponsored Rick Ross and Óscar Danilo Blandón, the Los Angeles wholesaler and his Nicaraguan supplier who helped spark the crack epidemic in the 1980s.
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Walnut, does that now mean never, not in a million years could that happen naturally? Next red will be result in a new thread on the subject. Who is the shadow Govt in Central America, start with the Nations most friendly with the US in the past decade. See how easy a starting point is to find?
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Looks like they'll have to wander the jungles of Guatemala for 40 year before reaching the promised land.
Is that supposed to resemble the OT. Moses was so good all the people were dead 40 years before the deadline. Moses had the choice, live to be 120 outside the Promised Land or enter and die right away. Moses took the 40 years rather than let the 12 Tribes in 40 years earlier. Not really laying down your life for your friends is it? God is not on your side.
With Soros leading them what could go wrong? He was helpful like that back in the Great War. You know, when, 'back-stabbing son of a bitch' was still a term of endearment
Just put him on ignore, couldn’t stand the drivel. Speaking of drivel, I notice Analfloss hasn’t posted recently.
How can he pretend to be what he is ? You know President of the United States of America , who are you again ?
A Canadian plane shot down? Is that from 1970? Why, yes it is. It was shot down by 3 anti-aircraft missiles based in Syria. It took off from Beirut and was to land at Damascus. At no point did it enter Israeli airspace. If the Israelis had shot it down then they were invading Syrian airspace and I have grave doubts about that since it would have been major news. And there ain't no way the Israelis could have shot the plane down from Israeli airspace using air-to-air ordinance even if the IAF was right on the border.
But it's funny how you ignore the Palestinian leadership's crimes. Coordinating and launching attacks from civilian and public infrastructure is a war crime and a crime against humanity. It's exactly the same thing as using human shields.
The caravan is fueled by poverty. That is why it is happening.
Just like why all those Africans are floating across the ocean to Europe. They were born into 3rd world poverty and they have no hope or options.
All these theories being bandied about by hysterical right wing nut jobs are hilarious.
Just like why all those Africans are floating across the ocean to Europe. They were born into 3rd world poverty and they have no hope or options.
All these theories being bandied about by hysterical right wing nut jobs are hilarious.
Why apply for asylum if they are looking for work? There are legal permits to enter the USA for work and better their lives
What a load of shit. That caravan has to pass by no fewer than 7 US consulates in Mexico. The fact none of them will stop and apply properly there should tell you exactly what this is. An invasion. The "caravan" now numbers around 7000. Where are they getting all their food and water? You need a lot of food and water to hike around 1500-2000 miles.
Funny too how these massive caravans didn't really start until Trump became President. I guess the Democrats are desperate for low wage slaves. They lost their shit when Republicans took their slaves away and now they're losing their shit because Trump is deporting their cheap labour.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_461
UN Flight 51 was Buffalo 461's last flight designation, for a routine scheduled supply trip from Ismailia, Egypt to Damascus, Syria. Five crew members and four military passengers were on board when the aircraft took off from Beirut International Airport after a stopover.[2] The First Officer, Captain Keith Mirau, received clearance to enter Syrian airspace from the Damascas air traffic control centre at 0945 GMT. Shortly after crossing from Lebanon into Syria the plane was hit by a surface-to-air missile launched from a Syrian airfield. Moments later two more missiles struck and destroyed the plane, scattering wreckage across a field near the Syrian town of Ad Dimas. All nine on board were killed.
The Canadian Department of National Defence launched a board of Inquiry to investigate the loss of Buffalo 461. The board was led by LCol J.A. McCann who was unable to determine if the missile attack was accidental or done intentionally to put pressure on the United Nations to curtail Israeli flights over Syrian airspace.[1]
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http://www.buffalo461.ca/buffalo461.htm
The flight from Beirut to Ismailia proceeded normally. After taking off from Ismailia, passage through Lebanon was also normal and at 0945GMT, UN Flight 51 first contacted Damascus air traffic control center (ATCC). Five minutes later, after receiving clearance to Damascus VOR, the last recorded transmission from Flight 51 to Damascus ATCC reportedly by Captain Mirau, was heard “Roger we are cleared to Damascus VOR to maintain 8000 cross Mike Echo Zulu at 10000 or above.”
As the Buffalo crossed into Syria at 11000’ ASL (about 6000’ above ground level), a surface to air missile was fired at the Buffalo from a Syrian airfield located 14 miles from the Lebanese border. Shortly after, the Buffalo was seen in a controlled descent smoking from the tail. A couple of minutes after the first missile attack, when the Buffalo was 8 miles into Syrian airspace and less than 1000’ above ground level, two more missiles were fired at the Buffalo. The first appeared to strike the left wing causing it to burn and the descent to increase. Just above the ground, the last missile hit the cabin area and destroyed the aircraft, scattering wreckage near the town of Ad Dimas in Syria, and killing all nine passengers and crew on board.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-200_(missile)
Each missile is launched by 4 solid-fueled strap-on rocket boosters.[7] After they burn out and drop away (between 3 and 5.1 seconds from launch) it fires a 5D67 liquid fueled sustainer rocket engine (for 51–150 seconds) which burns a fuel called TG-02 Samin (50% xylidine and 50% triethylamine), oxidized by an agent called AK-27P Melange (red fuming nitric acid enriched with nitrogen oxides, phosphoric acid and hydrofluoric acid).[8] Maximum range is between 150 km (81 nmi) and 300 km (160 nmi), depending on the model.[9] The missile uses radio illumination mid-course correction to fly towards the target with a terminal semi-active radar homing phase. Maximum target speed is around Mach 4. Effective altitude is 300 m (980 ft) to 20,000 m (66,000 ft) for early models and up to 35,000 m (115,000 ft) for later models. The warhead is either 217 kg (478 lb) high-explosive fragmentation (16,000 × 2 g fragmentation pellets and 21,000 × 3.5 g pellets) triggered by radar proximity fuse or command signal, or a 25 kt nuclear warhead triggered by command signal only. Each missile weighs around 7,108 kg (15,670 lb) at takeoff.[9]
The system utilises radio semi active guidance throughout the missile's flight, which is far more accurate at long range than the command guidance method used by the earlier S-75 Dvina and other missiles. The existence of an optional terminal passive radar homing mode for use against AEW aircraft remains unconfirmed. Peak missile speed is around Mach 8 and the single-shot kill probability is quoted as 0.85, presumably against a high altitude bomber-type target.[citation needed]
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http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en...age?doc=remembering-the-buffalo-nine/j5wlhz33
A few minutes after passing Beirut, Captain Mirau made the compulsory position report to Beirut Air Traffic Control over the Dakweh Beacon in Lebanon at 12:46 p.m. local time, just before crossing the Syrian border. The ancient city of Damascus would have just been coming into view over the snub nose of the Buffalo. Captain Mirau promptly changed to Damascus ATC and repeated the routine position report. A few minutes later, the aircraft crew read back the Damascus approach clearance.
Six minutes later and 11,000 feet below them, an employee of the American Embassy in Damascus was returning from days off in Beirut. He was driving east along the Beirut-Damascus highway when, to his astonishment, a missile passed over him traveling in the opposite direction. He distinctly recalled seeing a second stage of the missile ignite, said he jammed on his brakes, stopped, leapt out his car and tried to visually follow the missile’s trajectory.
“At that time I noticed a silver-coloured plane flying in the air and it seemed to be smoking from the tail,” he said.
He said that he did not see an explosion or pieces falling off the aircraft. He probably witnessed a glancing blow or a near-miss by either a proximity or commanded detonation by a Soviet-made SA-2 surface-to-air missile (SAM).
It is impossible to imagine the frantic pandemonium going on the inside the Buffalo as white-hot, flesh-tearing, shrapnel ripped through it. Why did they not broadcast a distress call? It could be they did. Investigators revealed evidence that the Syrians had erased two-and-a half-minutes of conversation from the ATC communication tapes, and the Buffalo carried no flight data or cockpit voice recorders.
http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageN...rticleView/articleId/30/The-Buffalo-Nine.aspx
“Roger we are cleared to Damascus VOR to maintain 8000 cross Mike Echo Zulu at 10,000 or above."
This was the last transmission heard from UN flight 51. Or was it? Six minutes later and 11,000 ft below them, an employee of the American Embassy in Damascus was returning from days off in Beirut. He was casually driving along the Beirut-Damascus highway at a leisurely 55 mph due east when, to his astonishment, a missile passed over him traveling in the opposite direction. He distinctly recalls seeing a second stage of the missile ignite, said he jammed on his brakes, stopped, leapt out his car and tried to visually follow the missile’s trajectory.
He stated, “At that time I noticed a silver coloured plane flying in the air and it seemed to be smoking from the tail.”
He said that he did not see an explosion or pieces falling off the aircraft. He had probably witnessed a glancing blow, or a near-miss by either a proximity or commanded detonation by a Soviet-made surface-to-air SA 2 missile.
Purpose-built as a high altitude interception missile, the SA 2 was not particularly accurate at 11,000 ft. It did not have to be. Its warhead contained 450 lbs of high explosive (HE) fragmentation projectiles with a lethal radius of 215 ft. Even a near miss could have done severe damage to UN 51.
Had the crew seen the threat coming... perhaps the launch flash of the missile to the east of them, or its tell tale smoke trail?
Had they taken evasive action? According to a retired Buffalo pilot and resident of St. Catharines, Ontario, “Buffalo crews often talked, over a few beers, about how to evade a SAM attack, turning into the sun or whatever but we all agreed it was probably futile.”
Except that an outrageous attempt to make use of one of the Buffalo’s STOL capability just might work. Did Foster try it? The props were found against the stops in the STOL mode.
It is impossible to imagine the frantic pandemonium going on the inside the Buffalo as white-hot, flesh-tearing, shrapnel ripped through it. Had the rudder and elevator control cables in the vulnerable T-tail been severed or damaged? Were they on fire? After the first hit, it was seen trailing black smoke.
Why didn’t they broadcast a distress call? It could be they did since investigators revealed evidence that the Syrians had clumsily erased two-and-a half-minutes of conversation from the ATC communication tapes.
The truth of some of the mystifying questions will never be known. The Buffalo carried no flight data or cockpit voice recorders.
Back on the ground the most credible of the witnesses, the American, was horrified to see a second missile strike the Buffalo in the left wing area approximately a minute to a minute-and-a-half later. This time he said, “it bucked and it shook and I saw pieces fall.” There was no mistake it was a direct hit. The left wing was on fire and the descent attitude had suddenly increased to a steep dive.
Seconds later a third missile struck the burning hulk in the cockpit area at about 500 ft above the ground. The American witness explained, “The plane blew apart and she took a nose dive from what was left of it and it went straight into the ground.”
A lumbering, defenseless Buffalo was no challenge for the last two, deadly accurate SA6 SAMs, capable of acquiring fast manoeuvring targets from 300-69,000 ft each with a lethal war head containing 135 lbs of fragmentation HE.
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I assume all that shows that the attack was from an aircraft using air to air missiles and an Israeli F-4 (I think) was in the area. That was from a link I posted about a week ago when the topic surfaced.
So the story goes and not one word has changed. Back then the Gulf of Tomkin was still a fact rather than a false flag. This is pretty close to the time when an assassination took place that was also blamed on Syria. If you like I think I can show that it was the first drone strike using a certain type of munition. One that cooks you rather than scattering you to all the 4 corners of the wind. Your call at the moment.
They were on course and were expected. Storks taking out a new F035 had to be dragged out of them. They and their friends publish lies all the time. Another thread perhaps can explore that trend. You start it, I have to do my nails.
No. It was widely known who it was and it flew over Israel to get to Beirut in the first place.
I see nothing funny about any needless death. Feel free to post something in the Muslim hate thread and I'll see if there is another version or some additional info. I seem to get lucky in that area more often than not.
I always learn something from a thread, let's see if it happens to you also