Help ( Democrats + Republicans ) ???

Noname11

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Hey ho!

I hope i do not bother you, but i have a question...

I was researching a while now and thought it may be a good idea posting into a forum ...

My question would be:

What is the difference between The Democratic Party and the Republican????
What do they stand for ??
What does it mean to be politically on the left or right?
What are their individual beliefs?
How do they want to run the government?

I hope its not too much to answer :-|
Would be really really helpfull!!!!

Thank you guys very very much!!!!!!!!!!
 

ironsides

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Here is probably one of the best explainations I could find to your questions. By the way, they were very good questions, I never gave it much thought before.

"Democrats today tend to believe in programs which benefit primarily the lower classes by asking the wealthy to pay for them.

Republicans today tend to believe in programs which are more inclusive of all classes and expect costs to be spread a bit more evenly.

Take, for example, health care. Democrats are currently pushing a universal health care plan which would be paid for primarily by taxes on the top five percent of earners. Those same earners would then receive little or no benefit from their contributions, which would then be given to the lower classes.

Note that I said "today" in my descriptions above. This wasn't always the case. Social security, a program originated by Democrats, has a flat percent which is paid by all who contribute. It highlights the difference in thinking today.

That is the philosophic difference between the two parties. Then there are the 'issues' differences. These have little or nothing to do with the parties themselves, and have simply attached themselves to the parties via special interest groups and lobbyists. Some examples of these:

Abortion, Gun Control, Labor Rights, Religious Freedoms, Gay Marriage, etc.

For example, abortion has nothing to do with being Republican or Democrat. Yet it has been a hot button topic to both for decades. Why? Arguments would usually point to the religious conservatives who make up a large portion of the Republican voting demographic - which is completely disingenuous and utterly false. Historically - and here I'm talking about less than twenty years ago - Democrats were a stronghold of those of religious faith. Ever been to a black church? And blacks vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Heard of the Southern Democrats? Dixiecrats? All card-carrying Bible-belters.

So both sides of the aisle have strongly religious factions within them, or at least have been in very recent times. Why the difference then? This issue, on face, has nothing to do with either party's core beliefs. The answer has to do with the vocal minorities within each party. Sometimes a party can be characterized (incorrectly) as a whole by a vocal minority within it. In this case, the Republicans have a small group of far Right members who are very openly and vocally opposed to abortion under all circumstances and who show up at photo ops to embarrass themselves and decry the dissolution of the family and morality. The Democrats have the same small group of far Left members who are opposed to even such basic laws as parental notification for a minor child (a notification which would be required for something as insignificant as a school field trip).

In the above case, the parties themselves aren't really different, it is merely by inclusion of a vocal minority that the majority voices of the moderates are drowned out. So on the issues, the parties really aren't that much different (which is why it can seem confusingly homogenous at times). It is only on their core philosophy of who should pay for things and how evenly that payment should fall on the shoulders of each taxpayer that Democrats and Republicans truly vary."

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Noname11

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Wow thanks, yes , thats the point , it is very confusing , the thing is i have to do a presentation on the two parties and their topical developments and all i have read about it is really similar,..
But only for understanding, Obama and McCain had different opinions on many things isnt it? Or what i have read is that a majority of the african american and women vote for the democrats and a high percentage of men vote for republicans??

Thanks a lot, you have already helped me a lot !! :)
Have a nice day!
 

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In the former Soviet Union there was just one party. They were simply too honest to forge two identical parties.
 
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jambo101

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In a nutshell Republicans or conservatives are for big business or run the businesses,demand limited input from government, have a resistance to change,Democrats or liberals are for unions because they work in the factories,more government involvement in social benefits,strive for more change and adaptability with in society..
As some one who has worked in factories all my life i'm a liberal and can see some advantages in some aspects of socialism.My Dad who has owned his own companies throughout his life is a Republican and thinks i'm nuts, whenever we get together he delights in forcing me to watch endless Rush Limbaugh type shows to somehow prop up his positions on the issues of life,needless to say its not swaying me to become a conservative,they're nuts:mrgreen:
 
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SirJosephPorter

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Noname11, I am using the word ‘liberal’ for Democrats and ‘conservative’ for Republicans here. Some of the differences are:

Democrats want the government out of the bedroom and into the boardroom; Republicans want the government out of the boardroom and into the bedroom.

Democrats believe that prosperity comes from bottom up. If masses become prosperous, that will mean prosperity for the whole society. Republican believes in trickle down economics. Reward the rich and the benefits will be passed down to the poor.

Democrats believe that government must accept the lion’s share of looking after the poor. Republicans believe that private organizations (churches etc.) should look after the poor; it is none of government’s business.

Democrats believe that it is government’s duty to provide education to children. Republicans believe it should be left to private schools and home schooling. Home schooling movement is strong among the Republicans.

Democrats do not preach to people how they should live their private lives, each to his own. Many Republicans insist on preaching to the public how they should live their lives (don’t have an abortion, don’t have premarital sex, don’t be gay, purchase a gun, or purchase many guns etc.). That is why they are so often accused of hypocrisy; many times they don’t practice what they preach.

I remember on the show ‘Dharma and Greg’; comedian Bill Maher succinctly explained the difference between Democrats and Republicans.

In one show, Greg is running for the city council. He is caught in a car having sex with a woman. It causes a scandal, until it is revealed that the woman was his wife. Bill Maher had a small cameo in the show, he commented:

“I cannot make out this politician. He was having sex with his wife, so he can’t be a Democrat. On the other hand he was having sex, so he cannot be a Republican.”
 
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YukonJack

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Pity the poor bastard who must quote Bill Maher for verification of his twisted views.

Bill Maher has never been anything but a hateful, poison-spewing, sewer-mouthed, profane, anti-American, pathetic failure. Presently he is seen by about six-hundred people on international TV (HBO) and a rabid and well-paid noise-making sycophant studio audience, who would rather die than miss an opportunity to besmirch people he could not hold a candle to, and takes special care NEVER to present an opposing view.
 
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Ironsides

Good essay and gives an excellent perspective on the current state of affairs - I have been surprised living here how broad the membership within the two national parties are in terms of similarity in doctrine - many crossing lines of separation and finding themselves meeting in the center on many issues.

Diversity is a tremendously positive system for any large nation and surprisingly (in argument with the panic-stricken media mavens), most citizens tend to agree on some very important issues - crossing the lines of demarcation within the major parties.

Nobody needs robots and clones - that would be boring and counterproductive.
It isn't all the way the media portray the screaming and acting out - and the
majority of people tend to find much to agree upon.

You might rather think it in terms of a majority of people seeking a party which meets their standards. The two major ones have pretty much written their extremely limiting and mandated tickets into history.
 

Noname11

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I didnt get this part with the joke
“I cannot make out this politician. He was having sex with his wife, so he can’t be a Democrat. On the other hand he was having sex, so he cannot be a Republican.”
I did get that it was told in an exagerated way but not the part with the democrats ,...

Anyway, thanks a lot, you really helped me ... but there is one more thing i would like to know, could you explain me what the topical developments are?


And now, with Barack Obama as a Democrat president and a really good percentage in the last eleccions, where are the Republicans heading for?? Or lets say how does their futur look like???

I hope i am not wasting your time but i really would love to get the whole politics which is really confusing : )

Thanks a lot for your time!!!
 

SirJosephPorter

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I hope i am not wasting your time but i really would love to get the whole politics which is really confusing : )


No problem, Noname, we are here to waste time.

“I cannot make out this politician. He was having sex with his wife, so he can’t be a Democrat. On the other hand he was having sex, so he cannot be a Republican.”

I did get that it was told in an exaggerated way but not the part with the democrats,...

OK, let me explain it to you. Democrats always say that people should be free to have sex with anybody they want. They should be free to have sex outside their marriage, with the same sex partner, with a friend, an acquaintance etc., anybody they want to, as long as it is between consenting adults.

Now, exaggerate that and Democrats are saying, have sex with anybody except your wife. So the politician cannot be a Democrat, he was having sex with his wife.

On the other hand, Republicans are always telling people not to have sex. No premarital sex, no extramarital sex, no homosexual sex, stick with your married spouse. Some go even further and claim that sex is only for reproduction.

Now, exaggerate that and Republicans are saying no sex, period. So the politician cannot be a Republican, since he was having sex.

I thought it was a very clever joke.
 

YukonJack

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Noname11, based on your consistently incoherent posts, it will be just about any time now, that SirJosephPorter will ridicule you for English being your (obviously) second language.

He has demonstrated a perverse pleasure to do so in the past, in spite of the fact that he is pathetically unilingual.
 

SirJosephPorter

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And now, with Barack Obama as a Democrat president and a really good percentage in the last elections, where are the Republicans heading for?? Or lets say how does their futur look like???

Noname, where Republicans are headed depends upon the Democrats, Republicans themselves really cannot do a whole lot about it. If Democrats do a terrible job, Republicans will make huge gains in 2010 election, if Democrats perform well (health care reform is passed, economy is improving etc.), then Republican gains in 2010 will be modest. What happens in 2012 strictly depends upon the economy. If the economy is doing well in 2012, Obama wins. If it is not, Obama loses.

That is in the short term. But Republicans have a long term problem, their base (white males) is shrinking. The minorities are increasing. In years to come, Republicans will find it increasingly difficult to win elections, unless they can find a way to reach out to the minorities (but if they do that, they will alienate their far right base, there may not be any way to square the circle).

So regardless of what happens in 2010 and 2012, Democratic Party will survive and prosper. The same cannot be said of the Republican Party. Unless they can attract minorities without alienating their far right white male base, they may be doomed in the long run.
 

Noname11

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YukonJack, well yes it is my second language but so far SirJosephPorter explained me everything i wanted to know plus he explained it really good, at least i understood everything ;) so i dont care :)
 
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Noname11

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And @Republican Party, what about Michael S Steel ?? An African American in the republican party is a bit controversial isnt it???
 

Noname11

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haha no i dont think so, during the eleccions we did a lot at school so i at least knew a bit about politics :) what makes this thread helpfull is that people explaining it makes it more understandable than reading the articles in which it s supposed that the reader already knows enough about politics...
so if there are more things that are considered important to know about it would be really nice if you could go on posting :) but it already helped me a lot really! i thank all of you! :)