Harper's Ministry of Disinformation Getting Noticed

L Gilbert

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Wonder if Harpy wants Canada to be working in any international group in the first place. Doesn't sound like it to me, the way he seems to be discouraging foreign scientists. Either way, Canada will get by, the rest of the planet will get by. Life goes on and science doesn't stop for politician's petty wants nor is it choosy about what country its in.
 

Nuggler

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Researchers generally tend to be normal folks just like the rest of us wandering around in the malls and burbs.
Politically and socially researchers are mostly mainstream, a few tend to be cutting edge brilliant and a small few are somewhat strange nutbars.
If you work in the private sector in any area that may bring to light new or unknown issues you probably are signing a lock tight non-disclosure agreement.
Researchers and engineers in the private sector are completely used to this decades old practice.
You can whistle blow to the media if you believe you are aware or peripherally involved in illegal or immoral practices .
Why would it be any different for public sector researchers employed at taxpayer expense by the government?
The thought of every less than successful public service tech, secretary or unsatisfied researcher howling to the media about any imagined slight or personal political issue boggles the mind.
Whistle blowing OK.
The rest not so much.
If you have issues with your job, quit.
Then you can hold press conferences to your hearts content


Nope, sorry, you can't. An oath of secrecy trumps a resignation. Believe it or not.
 

Machjo

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That's nothing in a couple of weeks Canada will announce their very own office of religious freedoms this means government interference in the docterins of the churches

I doubt it. though what exactly it's supposed to accomplish still eludes me I must admit.
 

Tonington

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The NRC (and their provincial affiliates) work closely with private sector groups; and make no mistake, the outside group pays for the services provided - they are the client. Further, it is the client that details the nature of the 'problem' to be resolved and the goals sought.

I know how IP and private information works. I work for a pharmaceutical. This is not the issue at all.

But, whether or not private companies are involved or not is not the underlying issue here. Whether it's the gvt or a private entity that engages the work, the staff that are hired to do the research - they are a service provider and the research they are providing is the sole property of the payor.

I don't think you have a very good grasp of what is going on here. It's far more nuanced than this.

If Andreas Muenchow (the physical oceanographer at the University of Delaware) wants ownership of that data/research for their own ends, the solution is simple - put up the cash to fund the research themselves and they can do whatever they want with the information

You should do some more reading on this subject. If Muenchow works in any way with colleagues at DFO, regardless of whether she is funding it entirely or not, the new rules state that DFO must review any submissions, and that they have the final say on whether or not the research gets published.

If there is no intellectual property, privacy, or sensitive business information involved, then tax payer funded research should be made available for all. As Niflmir pointed out, Canada stands alone in this regard when viewed with our OECD partners.

This is nothing more than politcal wrangling. If there were any questions about data ownership or intellectual property, then that would be another story. The leaked documents available clearly show that the Government is intending to control research that has consequences on policy.

Here's a simple question. Why should we discourage other scientists from seeking out subject matter experts in Canada for collaborative research? A simple follow up. What do we gain by discouraging research that is in the public interest?
 

mentalfloss

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What about an Office for Scientific Freedom?


 

Tonington

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The USA is moving in the other direction. Big kudos for this:
White House directs open access for government research | Reuters

If politicians want to spend their own money on research and keep the findings locked up and pay-walled, let them.

As far as Elsevier, Blackwell Publishing, Wiley and Sons, Nature Publishing Group, and the AAAS is concerned, if they can't keep up with the changing times then they deserve to wither and die on their privately held vines.

To be fair, some of the publishers are in fact making more articles open access. I've also found quality reports in PLOS which is all open access.