Harper speech glorifies militarism on Canada Day

[darkbeaver]

Much worse than a dumb twat. We would do a lot better if he was a dumb twat. What he really is would make both of us physically ill. Profound revulsion is called for.

Gimme a break. The COnservatives have been in power since 2006. "But...but...but...THE LIBERALS!" just doesn't cut it any more. The defence budget is smaller, based on inflation-adjusted dollars--than it was in 2007. Spending on procurement is down. The F-35 procurement has turned into a debacle. Not that the Conservatives stand out there--this is just the latest in a long line of governments that have shafted the military.

The Military Industrial Complex hasn't been damaged in the least. Shafting the various militaries is what makes the world go round in case you haven't noticed. If they're ilequiped the shafting goes even better.

 

[captain morgan]

OP has his little OP criticized, cries moar. :lol:

... Crying sad, bitter little tears.

Tragic really

Gimme a break. The COnservatives have been in power since 2006. "But...but...but...THE LIBERALS!" just doesn't cut it any more. The defence budget is smaller, based on inflation-adjusted dollars--than it was in 2007. Spending on procurement is down. The F-35 procurement has turned into a debacle. Not that the Conservatives stand out there--this is just the latest in a long line of governments that have shafted the military.

Canada used to have a military... Got systematically taken apart by Trudeau and successive Lib gvts.

How long, and how much money does it take to rebuild from the ground up?

I'm also guessing that you'd be front and center calling for the lynching of Harper had he spent one thin dime

 

[Zipperfish]

...

Canada used to have a military... Got systematically taken apart by Trudeau and successive Lib gvts.

...amd, based on the evidence provided by me above, the Harper government. Spending on the military is down in real dollars. Procurement is down. Not to mnetion screwing the vets. There's more to rebuilding the military than jingoism.

I'm also guessing that you'd be front and center calling for the lynching of Harper had he spent one thin dime

You guessed wrong. I've served with the Canadian military (as a civilian) in combat zones. I'm all for a strong Canadian military with modern equipment and closer ties to 5 eyes (Canada, US, UK, NZ, Australia).

 

[mentalfloss]

... Crying sad, bitter little tears.

Tragic really

 

[Locutus]

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

scary stuff

 

[Nuggler]

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

scary stuff

Where's my friggin Enfield.?irate:

Much worse than a dumb twat. We would do a lot better if he was a dumb twat. What he really is would make both of us physically ill. Profound revulsion is called for.



The Military Industrial Complex hasn't been damaged in the least. Shafting the various militaries is what makes the world go round in case you haven't noticed. If they're ilequiped the shafting goes even better.

OK, I revulse, profoundly. damn, always have to revulse just before supper.:-(

 

[captain morgan]

...amd, based on the evidence provided by me above, the Harper government. Spending on the military is down in real dollars. Procurement is down. Not to mnetion screwing the vets. There's more to rebuilding the military than jingoism.

You provided an opinion, not 'evidence'.

In real and practical terms, a nation just doesn't make a decision one day to start committing and spending 100s of billions for many years to fully develop a military/navy/air force. Further, our nation places far more importance on funding people's entitlements that there isn't enough real cash available to direct at the military.. When cash is put into it, the volume of the whining and simpering is so loud that it can be heard clear across the nation

Trudeau so fully gutted the department that there is no conceivable way that Canada can truly afford to rebuild to a shadow of it's former stature

You win MF...

 

[Zipperfish]

You provided an opinion, not 'evidence'.

In real and practical terms, a nation just doesn't make a decision one day to start committing and spending 100s of billions for many years to fully develop a military/navy/air force. Further, our nation places far more importance on funding people's entitlements that there isn't enough real cash available to direct at the military.. When cash is put into it, the volume of the whining and simpering is so loud that it can be heard clear across the nation

Trudeau so fully gutted the department that there is no conceivable way that Canada can truly afford to rebuild to a shadow of it's former stature

No, spending is a matter of fact, not a matter of opinion. Harper's been in control since 2006--it's a little late to be saying that they just need time. They've had time. But spending is down, the F-35s and the Navy/Coast Guard procurement programs have been pushed far into the future, and the DND has found it's budget falling since the grand old days after the election of the Conservatives, likely the victim of the Conservative's Prime Directive to balance the budget.

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[captain morgan]

Ask yourself why spending on the military is down, especially in light of the dismantling that Trudeau did... All of your questions will be explained.

We get the fact that you don't like Harper - you've made it clear, but I believe you are not a myopic person, so ask the hard, underlying questions and you piece the puzzle together