Harper says national media are biased against him

[Jay]

The single biggest scam Jay,

is still sitting there , in the form of the national debt. That debt far outweighs any nonsense the Liberals got up to. I know you like to imply that Trudeau somehow forced Mulroney to have a fifty billion dollar deficit every year he was in office but any Canadian would have rather paid higher taxes than have that debt.

I've already explained (not implied) to you on a few occasions why the Liberals are responsible for that debt...you just won't listen.

I know you wanted Mulroney to commit political suicide with raising taxes to pay for Liberal mistakes, but it didn't happen, and if you are so right on this why didn't Martin raise taxes instead of cutting spending to deal with deficits brought on by interest payments? Really, why not?

And besides, you wanted to tax my poor parents to pay for your vote buying schemes by liberals?

Just admit what the Liberal did, and that they are lying about this and we can move on.


And BTW you have yet, in anyway shape or form, refuted my explanations about liberal debts, and I take that to mean you haven't got anything to back up your claim.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: Harper says national media are biased against him

I dunno. Could you be a little clearer? I don't understand your pronoun references. Who's the "they" being labelled as liberal media? MSM? What's MSM? What does the "them" in your second sentence refer to?

Sorry Dex.

I mean to say the media is already under the charge of being left leaning. For them to not cover the scandal would only imply that was the truth of the matter. They had to cover it, and it is very hard to paint the scandal as anything other than "bad". There is no other way around it. I just think that using this scandal as proof the media isn't left leaning isn't valid.

MSM - main stream media.

 

[FiveParadox]

My take on the debt incurred by the previous Governments on both sides (according to my limited information, since I wasn't around during those times), is that the Liberal Party of Canada began a practice of debt financing — however, the debt that they incurred was less than that of the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. I think that both parties deserve blame for our debt.

It is quite true, and it should be condemned, that the late Right Honourable Pierre Trudeau, P.C., had began the practice that forced our budgets into the red. However, under the leadership of the Right Honourable Brian Mulroney, P.C., the Government of Canada continued to falter in its essential purpose — which is to appropriate funds responsibly.

Both parties failed, in terms of financing Canada.

 

[Jay]

The level of deficit was in direct correlation to interest bearing debt.

 

[BitWhys]

You may have forgotten how happy the media were with Paul Martin's promise to get to the bottom of it. And how willing they were to go along with waiting for the final Gomery report before an election call. They were far from howling for blood. By the fall of 2005 and before the liberals were brought down the sponsorship scandal was all but old news in the media's eyes. The initial report exonerated Martin remember? That all changed with the next scandal and the next and the next.

so failing to howl for blood is your idea of bias? wouldn't that involve stepping away from being dispassionate?

all what changed? afaik Martin is still exonerated.

 

[Vicious]

so failing to howl for blood is your idea of bias? wouldn't that involve stepping away from being dispassionate?

all what changed? afaik Martin is still exonerated.

I hate doing this. At work we refer to this as getting the crayons out.

In the discussion above. Elevennevele pointed to the media's handling of the sponsorship scandal as an example of how they had been tough with the Liberals. I pointed out that although the may have been tough initially, they roll-out over at the first opportunity and went back to being good dogs. To me this is an example of the difference in treatment the Liberals and the Conservatives receive at the hands of our professional unbiased news media.

Martin may have been exonerated on the sponsorship scandal. However he was proven to have been a poor keeper of the nations finances but a fine ducker of responsibility.

 

[BitWhys]

I hate doing this. At work we refer to this as getting the crayons out.

And I call THAT bluster.

By the standard you are insisting on national desk reporters should have set to work to prove that contrary to what the Conservatives were saying in Parliament during question period, they had indeed cut the funding to replace the coal-burning power plants in Ontario.

turns out its all coming out in the wash. they can't help it if the truth has a left-wing bias. :wink:

 

[BitWhys]

... However he was proven to have been a poor keeper of the nations finances but a fine ducker of responsibility.

If he was such a poor keeper of the nation's finances why aren't you arguing with Toro in the surplus thread?

 

[Jay]

Arguing with Toro is your job, Bit.

 

[darkbeaver]

RE: Harper says national

The question of bias against Harper and his neo-cons is horseshit the same neo-con tactic was and is used in the US to paint the press (all media) as left and liberal. Here at Can-Con the right-winders consistantly parrot American propaganda without any modification to fit a Canadian audiance, Harper and his collection of repulsive freaks are following an empirialist agenda to the letter, I hope he's torn apart by the media dogs. I'v noticed today there is many articles in the free press discussing Harper's press relations and they're very much negative, I think he's made another dumb arogant mistake. Good, the more shit he steps in the better I like it, at least he'll smell sincere. :lol:

 

[BitWhys]

Re: RE: Harper says national media are biased against him

Arguing with Toro is your job, Bit.

not when I agree with him.

 

[Jay]

Here at Can-Con the right-winders consistantly parrot American propaganda without any modification to fit a Canadian audiance,

What, peppered with lies and other people's money? :lol:

You crack me up!

 

[Vicious]

... However he was proven to have been a poor keeper of the nations finances but a fine ducker of responsibility.

If he was such a poor keeper of the nation's finances why aren't you arguing with Toro in the surplus thread?

Unlike some other folks I work for a living. If the surplus thread is the one about the conservatives poor estimating - 12B that should have been 8B I've been reading it. But the Jersay, JonB2004 and FiveParadox trifecta of misguided youth is too daunting to wade into. I'll go over there soon and sort the lads out.

 

[Jay]

I'll go over there soon and sort the lads out.

Ya, good luck with that!


One of those people is a proclaimed communist and the other two are communists and don't realize it yet. I wish you all the luck in the world and many blessings to you if you succeed!

 

[FiveParadox]

Perhaps you haven't read my posts in their entirety, Vicious. My opinion on this matter is that the Conservative Party of Canada should use this as a "learning experience", if you would, to the effect that managing the books is not as easy as they may have thought during the previous Parliament of Canada. The Government of Canada, in opposition, pushed the opinion that surpluses were a bad thing, to be condemned — I think it was a hasty decision to oppose surpluses in previous years, and I hope that they realize now that they can be a very good thing, for programs, and for the debt.

 

[manda]

IMHO, Harpers just trying to imitate Bush, and see how many people he can piss off at a time

 

[Jay]

to the effect that managing the books is not as easy as they may have thought during the previous Parliament of Canada

Do you really think inexperience is the problem here....I mean Harper is an economist, Stockwell was Alberta's finance minister and Flaherty was Ontario's minister of finance....

 

[sanch]

Frankly, Five, after the way the press treated the CPC in the 2004 election, I have no respect for most of them anyway. The 2006 election was better and why? Because Harper was in total control, ran an extremely disciplined election campaign, and the press had virtually nothing bad they could say.

This is understandable when they are in campaign mode. Now Harper has a responsibility to represent the majority of Canadians and not just cater to the interests of a minority. He had a very slim victory and whatever political capital he had he has squandered.

I agree with conservatives about free speech. I also agree with those who now say Harper is trying to control speech. How does one reconcile these two positions? You can't be for free speech and tolerate what Harper is doing.

 

[Jay]

The news is getting out....questions are being asked.

Some of the press and Harper aren't getting along at the moment. It will pass.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Harper says national

The question of bias against Harper and his neo-cons is horseshit the same neo-con tactic was and is used in the US to paint the press (all media) as left and liberal. Here at Can-Con the right-winders consistantly parrot American propaganda without any modification to fit a Canadian audiance, Harper and his collection of repulsive freaks are following an empirialist agenda to the letter, I hope he's torn apart by the media dogs. I'v noticed today there is many articles in the free press discussing Harper's press relations and they're very much negative, I think he's made another dumb arogant mistake. Good, the more shit he steps in the better I like it, at least he'll smell sincere. :lol:

Here's an example.......in the 2000 election I turned on CBC radio news the afternoon before the election.......the lead (and practically only) piece on the news was about Immigration Minister Caplan calling the Reform party the "party of racists and fascists". This had happened MONTHS before, but the CBC invented some way to resurrect it, so they could (and did) say, QUOTE "the Reform Party is the party of racists and fascists" over, and over, and over on a NEWSCAST!

Just quoting Ms Caplan you know.

Yeah right.

At that point I decided the CBC HAD to go. Completely. It had become the Ministry of Truth.

How many CBC reporters appointed to government positions by the Liberals?