Harper says he'll protect traditional marriage

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Harper says he'll pro

Matters of faith are arguably not an individual choice, at least if you accept the doctrine of various religions.

Paedophiles are not a minority, polygamists are not a minority, people who like to put it their sisters are not a minority, tibear. They are not cohesive groups.

Your argument has failed before every decent legal mind in the country. The only lawyer backing you up is Vic Toews, and he just got busted for breaking election laws here in Manitoba. obviously Vic isn't too brilliant, although he is arrogant and obnoxious.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Harper says he'll pro

Matters of faith are arguably not an individual choice, at least if you accept the doctrine of various religions.

Paedophiles are not a minority, polygamists are not a minority, people who like to put it their sisters are not a minority, tibear. They are not cohesive groups.

Your argument has failed before every decent legal mind in the country. The only lawyer backing you up is Vic Toews, and he just got busted for breaking election laws here in Manitoba. obviously Vic isn't too brilliant, although he is arrogant and obnoxious.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Harper says he'll pro

Matters of faith are arguably not an individual choice, at least if you accept the doctrine of various religions.

Paedophiles are not a minority, polygamists are not a minority, people who like to put it their sisters are not a minority, tibear. They are not cohesive groups.

Your argument has failed before every decent legal mind in the country. The only lawyer backing you up is Vic Toews, and he just got busted for breaking election laws here in Manitoba. obviously Vic isn't too brilliant, although he is arrogant and obnoxious.

 

[tibear]

RB,

How exactly are you able to say SS couples are a minority group and yet paedophiles(NAMBLA) and polygamists(Mormons sects) are not?? The only group that doesn't have an organized association is the incest group and I'm sure they'll formulate eventually.

What exactly make a "decent" legal mind??

Twenty years ago, most legal minds would have also said that SSM would never occur in this country.

 

[tibear]

RB,

How exactly are you able to say SS couples are a minority group and yet paedophiles(NAMBLA) and polygamists(Mormons sects) are not?? The only group that doesn't have an organized association is the incest group and I'm sure they'll formulate eventually.

What exactly make a "decent" legal mind??

Twenty years ago, most legal minds would have also said that SSM would never occur in this country.

 

[tibear]

RB,

How exactly are you able to say SS couples are a minority group and yet paedophiles(NAMBLA) and polygamists(Mormons sects) are not?? The only group that doesn't have an organized association is the incest group and I'm sure they'll formulate eventually.

What exactly make a "decent" legal mind??

Twenty years ago, most legal minds would have also said that SSM would never occur in this country.

 

[Vanni Fucci]

vanni,

I'm glad we agree that whether there is a law in place doesn't have any bearing as to whether the law is valid. Finally!!! We've now established that the legality of a situation has nothing to do with whether it should continue to be illegal,

I don't necessarily agree with this at all...if a group has a strong enough case to challenge the Charter then I say go for it...but if not, and they lose, then I don't want to hear them piss and moan about it...

By the way I do know the difference between sodomy and homosexuality but I think we can agree that this law was directly aimed at homosexuals.

Nope...I don't agree with that either...

NAMBLA, isn't interested in furthering a cause which would allow adults to have sex with young children but rather with teenagers. Teenagers are technically children, however, NAMBLA argues that since teenagers have the choice to have sex with their peers, these same teenagers then have the choice to have sex. Period.

That teens have a choice to have sex with their peers has nothing to do with legality...you seem to imply that this behaviour is condoned by the courts, which I'm pretty sure it is not...not prosecuting a twelve year old for sexual assualt with a minor is not the same as condoning the behaviour...which is why this NAMBLA will never be sanctioned by the court to have sex with children...because they are still just perverts wanting to have sex with children...your case for NAMBLA will not be made with me...

As I pointed out to RB in an earlier post, I think we can all agree that paedophiles, polygamists and adult incest are certainly within the minority of Canadians. They are certainly persecuted(some legally) and ostracized.

Yes they are a minority...however, with all of your definitions of the word minority, you've missed the mark once again...

The word minority only appears in the Charter with respect to language, and in the Canada Human Rights Act, the word does not appear at all...which makes sense, as it would be descriminatory to classify different groups as minorities...so none of your definitions of minority have any bearing on this discussion...

I don't consider locking up pedophiles to be discriminating against them...neither would I think that of polygamists...they would have broken the law...and section 1 of the Charter deals with that...

1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

So...before your argument can have any merit, polygamy, and pedophilia laws would have to be repealed...

For my part, I don't have a whole lot to say against polygamy...so long as it is consentual between adults...and does not become the scenario that peapod posted a few days ago...

NAMBLA/pedophiles will never gain equality in Canada, because they are the predatory defilers of children and deserve whatever punishment the law can muster...

 

[Vanni Fucci]

vanni,

I'm glad we agree that whether there is a law in place doesn't have any bearing as to whether the law is valid. Finally!!! We've now established that the legality of a situation has nothing to do with whether it should continue to be illegal,

I don't necessarily agree with this at all...if a group has a strong enough case to challenge the Charter then I say go for it...but if not, and they lose, then I don't want to hear them piss and moan about it...

By the way I do know the difference between sodomy and homosexuality but I think we can agree that this law was directly aimed at homosexuals.

Nope...I don't agree with that either...

NAMBLA, isn't interested in furthering a cause which would allow adults to have sex with young children but rather with teenagers. Teenagers are technically children, however, NAMBLA argues that since teenagers have the choice to have sex with their peers, these same teenagers then have the choice to have sex. Period.

That teens have a choice to have sex with their peers has nothing to do with legality...you seem to imply that this behaviour is condoned by the courts, which I'm pretty sure it is not...not prosecuting a twelve year old for sexual assualt with a minor is not the same as condoning the behaviour...which is why this NAMBLA will never be sanctioned by the court to have sex with children...because they are still just perverts wanting to have sex with children...your case for NAMBLA will not be made with me...

As I pointed out to RB in an earlier post, I think we can all agree that paedophiles, polygamists and adult incest are certainly within the minority of Canadians. They are certainly persecuted(some legally) and ostracized.

Yes they are a minority...however, with all of your definitions of the word minority, you've missed the mark once again...

The word minority only appears in the Charter with respect to language, and in the Canada Human Rights Act, the word does not appear at all...which makes sense, as it would be descriminatory to classify different groups as minorities...so none of your definitions of minority have any bearing on this discussion...

I don't consider locking up pedophiles to be discriminating against them...neither would I think that of polygamists...they would have broken the law...and section 1 of the Charter deals with that...

1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

So...before your argument can have any merit, polygamy, and pedophilia laws would have to be repealed...

For my part, I don't have a whole lot to say against polygamy...so long as it is consentual between adults...and does not become the scenario that peapod posted a few days ago...

NAMBLA/pedophiles will never gain equality in Canada, because they are the predatory defilers of children and deserve whatever punishment the law can muster...

 

[Vanni Fucci]

vanni,

I'm glad we agree that whether there is a law in place doesn't have any bearing as to whether the law is valid. Finally!!! We've now established that the legality of a situation has nothing to do with whether it should continue to be illegal,

I don't necessarily agree with this at all...if a group has a strong enough case to challenge the Charter then I say go for it...but if not, and they lose, then I don't want to hear them piss and moan about it...

By the way I do know the difference between sodomy and homosexuality but I think we can agree that this law was directly aimed at homosexuals.

Nope...I don't agree with that either...

NAMBLA, isn't interested in furthering a cause which would allow adults to have sex with young children but rather with teenagers. Teenagers are technically children, however, NAMBLA argues that since teenagers have the choice to have sex with their peers, these same teenagers then have the choice to have sex. Period.

That teens have a choice to have sex with their peers has nothing to do with legality...you seem to imply that this behaviour is condoned by the courts, which I'm pretty sure it is not...not prosecuting a twelve year old for sexual assualt with a minor is not the same as condoning the behaviour...which is why this NAMBLA will never be sanctioned by the court to have sex with children...because they are still just perverts wanting to have sex with children...your case for NAMBLA will not be made with me...

As I pointed out to RB in an earlier post, I think we can all agree that paedophiles, polygamists and adult incest are certainly within the minority of Canadians. They are certainly persecuted(some legally) and ostracized.

Yes they are a minority...however, with all of your definitions of the word minority, you've missed the mark once again...

The word minority only appears in the Charter with respect to language, and in the Canada Human Rights Act, the word does not appear at all...which makes sense, as it would be descriminatory to classify different groups as minorities...so none of your definitions of minority have any bearing on this discussion...

I don't consider locking up pedophiles to be discriminating against them...neither would I think that of polygamists...they would have broken the law...and section 1 of the Charter deals with that...

1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

So...before your argument can have any merit, polygamy, and pedophilia laws would have to be repealed...

For my part, I don't have a whole lot to say against polygamy...so long as it is consentual between adults...and does not become the scenario that peapod posted a few days ago...

NAMBLA/pedophiles will never gain equality in Canada, because they are the predatory defilers of children and deserve whatever punishment the law can muster...

 

[Canadian Observer]

Yo Canadians , the last election wasnt really about gay marriage. If there would be a referendum today , gay marriage would be trashed.

If Gay marriage is allowed , then why not polygamy , bigamy , or man or woman marrying their beloved pets? canadian liberalism eh.

 

[Canadian Observer]

Yo Canadians , the last election wasnt really about gay marriage. If there would be a referendum today , gay marriage would be trashed.

If Gay marriage is allowed , then why not polygamy , bigamy , or man or woman marrying their beloved pets? canadian liberalism eh.

 

[Canadian Observer]

Yo Canadians , the last election wasnt really about gay marriage. If there would be a referendum today , gay marriage would be trashed.

If Gay marriage is allowed , then why not polygamy , bigamy , or man or woman marrying their beloved pets? canadian liberalism eh.

 

[NSA]

RE: Harper says he'll pro

If Gay marriage is allowed , then why not polygamy , bigamy , or man or woman marrying their beloved pets? canadian liberalism eh.

LOL, Fark.com is missing their troll.

 

[NSA]

RE: Harper says he'll pro

If Gay marriage is allowed , then why not polygamy , bigamy , or man or woman marrying their beloved pets? canadian liberalism eh.

LOL, Fark.com is missing their troll.

 

[NSA]

RE: Harper says he'll pro

If Gay marriage is allowed , then why not polygamy , bigamy , or man or woman marrying their beloved pets? canadian liberalism eh.

LOL, Fark.com is missing their troll.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Yo Canadians , the last election wasnt really about gay marriage. If there would be a referendum today , gay marriage would be trashed.

Not in Canada, troll. We believe in rights around here.

If Gay marriage is allowed , then why not polygamy , bigamy , or man or woman marrying their beloved pets? canadian liberalism eh.

Because that is the way the law works. What that is, in fact, is an ignorant scare tactic used by bigots.

How exactly are you able to say SS couples are a minority group and yet paedophiles(NAMBLA) and polygamists(Mormons sects) are not??

First of all, drop the NAMBLA crap. Paedophilia is illegal. Second of all The Elks Club is an association too, and they aren't a minority. Gays are a minority that is discriminated against because of their differences.

What exactly make a "decent" legal mind??

How about 134 law professors for a start?

Twenty years ago, most legal minds would have also said that SSM would never occur in this country.

Actually most of them have known it was coming since the gay community became more activist in the 1970's.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Yo Canadians , the last election wasnt really about gay marriage. If there would be a referendum today , gay marriage would be trashed.

Not in Canada, troll. We believe in rights around here.

If Gay marriage is allowed , then why not polygamy , bigamy , or man or woman marrying their beloved pets? canadian liberalism eh.

Because that is the way the law works. What that is, in fact, is an ignorant scare tactic used by bigots.

How exactly are you able to say SS couples are a minority group and yet paedophiles(NAMBLA) and polygamists(Mormons sects) are not??

First of all, drop the NAMBLA crap. Paedophilia is illegal. Second of all The Elks Club is an association too, and they aren't a minority. Gays are a minority that is discriminated against because of their differences.

What exactly make a "decent" legal mind??

How about 134 law professors for a start?

Twenty years ago, most legal minds would have also said that SSM would never occur in this country.

Actually most of them have known it was coming since the gay community became more activist in the 1970's.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Yo Canadians , the last election wasnt really about gay marriage. If there would be a referendum today , gay marriage would be trashed.

Not in Canada, troll. We believe in rights around here.

If Gay marriage is allowed , then why not polygamy , bigamy , or man or woman marrying their beloved pets? canadian liberalism eh.

Because that is the way the law works. What that is, in fact, is an ignorant scare tactic used by bigots.

How exactly are you able to say SS couples are a minority group and yet paedophiles(NAMBLA) and polygamists(Mormons sects) are not??

First of all, drop the NAMBLA crap. Paedophilia is illegal. Second of all The Elks Club is an association too, and they aren't a minority. Gays are a minority that is discriminated against because of their differences.

What exactly make a "decent" legal mind??

How about 134 law professors for a start?

Twenty years ago, most legal minds would have also said that SSM would never occur in this country.

Actually most of them have known it was coming since the gay community became more activist in the 1970's.

 

[NSA]

RE: Harper says he'll pro

Rev, why waste your CPU cycles responding to this idiot? He's obviously just picking all the arguments from other peoples' posts and throwing them back up again to stir the pot.

More bigotry from down South, incidentally. Poor Americans.

 

[NSA]

RE: Harper says he'll pro

Rev, why waste your CPU cycles responding to this idiot? He's obviously just picking all the arguments from other peoples' posts and throwing them back up again to stir the pot.

More bigotry from down South, incidentally. Poor Americans.