Harper says he'll protect traditional marriage
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Using the terms "religious right" and "fundamentalist" is not name-calling.
They are religious, they are right-wing. They are the religious right and it is important to differentiate them from the greater religious community. I would wager that most people on here believe in some sort of higher being, but most do not belong to the religious right.
Fundamentalist is the term applied to (and used as a self-description by) those who take their religious texts literally. They tend to lean heavily on the earliest texts. Again, most people here believe in the basic message of religious texts, but few consider a literal translation to be fundamental to their lives.
The fight over same sex marriage is very much one of people trying to force their religious beliefs on others, Jay. If you'd like to take it one step further, perhaps you and L'il Stevie Harper would appreciate it if I insisted that Canada adopted atheist beliefs on you.
They are religious, they are right-wing. They are the religious right and it is important to differentiate them from the greater religious community. I would wager that most people on here believe in some sort of higher being, but most do not belong to the religious right.
Fundamentalist is the term applied to (and used as a self-description by) those who take their religious texts literally. They tend to lean heavily on the earliest texts. Again, most people here believe in the basic message of religious texts, but few consider a literal translation to be fundamental to their lives.
The fight over same sex marriage is very much one of people trying to force their religious beliefs on others, Jay. If you'd like to take it one step further, perhaps you and L'il Stevie Harper would appreciate it if I insisted that Canada adopted atheist beliefs on you.
Using the terms "religious right" and "fundamentalist" is not name-calling.
They are religious, they are right-wing. They are the religious right and it is important to differentiate them from the greater religious community. I would wager that most people on here believe in some sort of higher being, but most do not belong to the religious right.
Fundamentalist is the term applied to (and used as a self-description by) those who take their religious texts literally. They tend to lean heavily on the earliest texts. Again, most people here believe in the basic message of religious texts, but few consider a literal translation to be fundamental to their lives.
The fight over same sex marriage is very much one of people trying to force their religious beliefs on others, Jay. If you'd like to take it one step further, perhaps you and L'il Stevie Harper would appreciate it if I insisted that Canada adopted atheist beliefs on you.
They are religious, they are right-wing. They are the religious right and it is important to differentiate them from the greater religious community. I would wager that most people on here believe in some sort of higher being, but most do not belong to the religious right.
Fundamentalist is the term applied to (and used as a self-description by) those who take their religious texts literally. They tend to lean heavily on the earliest texts. Again, most people here believe in the basic message of religious texts, but few consider a literal translation to be fundamental to their lives.
The fight over same sex marriage is very much one of people trying to force their religious beliefs on others, Jay. If you'd like to take it one step further, perhaps you and L'il Stevie Harper would appreciate it if I insisted that Canada adopted atheist beliefs on you.
Using the terms "religious right" and "fundamentalist" is not name-calling.
They are religious, they are right-wing. They are the religious right and it is important to differentiate them from the greater religious community. I would wager that most people on here believe in some sort of higher being, but most do not belong to the religious right.
Fundamentalist is the term applied to (and used as a self-description by) those who take their religious texts literally. They tend to lean heavily on the earliest texts. Again, most people here believe in the basic message of religious texts, but few consider a literal translation to be fundamental to their lives.
The fight over same sex marriage is very much one of people trying to force their religious beliefs on others, Jay. If you'd like to take it one step further, perhaps you and L'il Stevie Harper would appreciate it if I insisted that Canada adopted atheist beliefs on you.
They are religious, they are right-wing. They are the religious right and it is important to differentiate them from the greater religious community. I would wager that most people on here believe in some sort of higher being, but most do not belong to the religious right.
Fundamentalist is the term applied to (and used as a self-description by) those who take their religious texts literally. They tend to lean heavily on the earliest texts. Again, most people here believe in the basic message of religious texts, but few consider a literal translation to be fundamental to their lives.
The fight over same sex marriage is very much one of people trying to force their religious beliefs on others, Jay. If you'd like to take it one step further, perhaps you and L'il Stevie Harper would appreciate it if I insisted that Canada adopted atheist beliefs on you.
Re: Harper is saying one thing, thinking another
Same-sex marriage is an issue I am loathe to discuss, but it seems to be everywhere now.
Firstly, I think it is a distraction from important issues , and Harper is behind this distraction.
Second, I don't understand why a gay person would WANT to have anything to do with churches that are so discriminatory and biased against them... but if they want to get married in a church, they are equal citizens and should be allowed. And where is the problem anyhow, since the proposed laws say any church that doesnt' want to, doesn't have to.
Third, it is Harper and the Christian aganda - what they are saying, the manipulation, the hidden hatred for gays - that makes me sick just to have this debate.
Harper is so ugly on this. Tell us the truth about what he has against it!! Really, Polygamy is now what he says will be one of the consequences of allowing gay marriage!! What a load of bullsplat - polygamy is a religious thing in the first place, and Harper might be onside with polygamy if he were not in the public eye.
But ploygamy is NOT what Harper is worried about here, he is just trying to make sure gays never have equality in our society. He hates them. He should say so and let Canadians decide if they want to include gays as equals to the rest of us [polls show Canadians are overwhelmingly in favour of gay marriage].
And the distraction? Maybe it is to distract us from the American issues of a fake war on Iraq, or trade issues Harper's heros in America are so blatantly bogus about , or Kyoto and air pollution and the fallout of climate change. Maybe it is about distracting us from the issues of legalisation of POT.
If we talked about those things, it might expose the Conservative's weak platform, their unholy alliances, and their christian agenda.
Karlin
Same-sex marriage is an issue I am loathe to discuss, but it seems to be everywhere now.
Firstly, I think it is a distraction from important issues , and Harper is behind this distraction.
Second, I don't understand why a gay person would WANT to have anything to do with churches that are so discriminatory and biased against them... but if they want to get married in a church, they are equal citizens and should be allowed. And where is the problem anyhow, since the proposed laws say any church that doesnt' want to, doesn't have to.
Third, it is Harper and the Christian aganda - what they are saying, the manipulation, the hidden hatred for gays - that makes me sick just to have this debate.
Harper is so ugly on this. Tell us the truth about what he has against it!! Really, Polygamy is now what he says will be one of the consequences of allowing gay marriage!! What a load of bullsplat - polygamy is a religious thing in the first place, and Harper might be onside with polygamy if he were not in the public eye.
But ploygamy is NOT what Harper is worried about here, he is just trying to make sure gays never have equality in our society. He hates them. He should say so and let Canadians decide if they want to include gays as equals to the rest of us [polls show Canadians are overwhelmingly in favour of gay marriage].
And the distraction? Maybe it is to distract us from the American issues of a fake war on Iraq, or trade issues Harper's heros in America are so blatantly bogus about , or Kyoto and air pollution and the fallout of climate change. Maybe it is about distracting us from the issues of legalisation of POT.
If we talked about those things, it might expose the Conservative's weak platform, their unholy alliances, and their christian agenda.
Karlin
Re: Harper is saying one thing, thinking another
Same-sex marriage is an issue I am loathe to discuss, but it seems to be everywhere now.
Firstly, I think it is a distraction from important issues , and Harper is behind this distraction.
Second, I don't understand why a gay person would WANT to have anything to do with churches that are so discriminatory and biased against them... but if they want to get married in a church, they are equal citizens and should be allowed. And where is the problem anyhow, since the proposed laws say any church that doesnt' want to, doesn't have to.
Third, it is Harper and the Christian aganda - what they are saying, the manipulation, the hidden hatred for gays - that makes me sick just to have this debate.
Harper is so ugly on this. Tell us the truth about what he has against it!! Really, Polygamy is now what he says will be one of the consequences of allowing gay marriage!! What a load of bullsplat - polygamy is a religious thing in the first place, and Harper might be onside with polygamy if he were not in the public eye.
But ploygamy is NOT what Harper is worried about here, he is just trying to make sure gays never have equality in our society. He hates them. He should say so and let Canadians decide if they want to include gays as equals to the rest of us [polls show Canadians are overwhelmingly in favour of gay marriage].
And the distraction? Maybe it is to distract us from the American issues of a fake war on Iraq, or trade issues Harper's heros in America are so blatantly bogus about , or Kyoto and air pollution and the fallout of climate change. Maybe it is about distracting us from the issues of legalisation of POT.
If we talked about those things, it might expose the Conservative's weak platform, their unholy alliances, and their christian agenda.
Karlin
Same-sex marriage is an issue I am loathe to discuss, but it seems to be everywhere now.
Firstly, I think it is a distraction from important issues , and Harper is behind this distraction.
Second, I don't understand why a gay person would WANT to have anything to do with churches that are so discriminatory and biased against them... but if they want to get married in a church, they are equal citizens and should be allowed. And where is the problem anyhow, since the proposed laws say any church that doesnt' want to, doesn't have to.
Third, it is Harper and the Christian aganda - what they are saying, the manipulation, the hidden hatred for gays - that makes me sick just to have this debate.
Harper is so ugly on this. Tell us the truth about what he has against it!! Really, Polygamy is now what he says will be one of the consequences of allowing gay marriage!! What a load of bullsplat - polygamy is a religious thing in the first place, and Harper might be onside with polygamy if he were not in the public eye.
But ploygamy is NOT what Harper is worried about here, he is just trying to make sure gays never have equality in our society. He hates them. He should say so and let Canadians decide if they want to include gays as equals to the rest of us [polls show Canadians are overwhelmingly in favour of gay marriage].
And the distraction? Maybe it is to distract us from the American issues of a fake war on Iraq, or trade issues Harper's heros in America are so blatantly bogus about , or Kyoto and air pollution and the fallout of climate change. Maybe it is about distracting us from the issues of legalisation of POT.
If we talked about those things, it might expose the Conservative's weak platform, their unholy alliances, and their christian agenda.
Karlin
Re: Harper is saying one thing, thinking another
Same-sex marriage is an issue I am loathe to discuss, but it seems to be everywhere now.
Firstly, I think it is a distraction from important issues , and Harper is behind this distraction.
Second, I don't understand why a gay person would WANT to have anything to do with churches that are so discriminatory and biased against them... but if they want to get married in a church, they are equal citizens and should be allowed. And where is the problem anyhow, since the proposed laws say any church that doesnt' want to, doesn't have to.
Third, it is Harper and the Christian aganda - what they are saying, the manipulation, the hidden hatred for gays - that makes me sick just to have this debate.
Harper is so ugly on this. Tell us the truth about what he has against it!! Really, Polygamy is now what he says will be one of the consequences of allowing gay marriage!! What a load of bullsplat - polygamy is a religious thing in the first place, and Harper might be onside with polygamy if he were not in the public eye.
But ploygamy is NOT what Harper is worried about here, he is just trying to make sure gays never have equality in our society. He hates them. He should say so and let Canadians decide if they want to include gays as equals to the rest of us [polls show Canadians are overwhelmingly in favour of gay marriage].
And the distraction? Maybe it is to distract us from the American issues of a fake war on Iraq, or trade issues Harper's heros in America are so blatantly bogus about , or Kyoto and air pollution and the fallout of climate change. Maybe it is about distracting us from the issues of legalisation of POT.
If we talked about those things, it might expose the Conservative's weak platform, their unholy alliances, and their christian agenda.
Karlin
Same-sex marriage is an issue I am loathe to discuss, but it seems to be everywhere now.
Firstly, I think it is a distraction from important issues , and Harper is behind this distraction.
Second, I don't understand why a gay person would WANT to have anything to do with churches that are so discriminatory and biased against them... but if they want to get married in a church, they are equal citizens and should be allowed. And where is the problem anyhow, since the proposed laws say any church that doesnt' want to, doesn't have to.
Third, it is Harper and the Christian aganda - what they are saying, the manipulation, the hidden hatred for gays - that makes me sick just to have this debate.
Harper is so ugly on this. Tell us the truth about what he has against it!! Really, Polygamy is now what he says will be one of the consequences of allowing gay marriage!! What a load of bullsplat - polygamy is a religious thing in the first place, and Harper might be onside with polygamy if he were not in the public eye.
But ploygamy is NOT what Harper is worried about here, he is just trying to make sure gays never have equality in our society. He hates them. He should say so and let Canadians decide if they want to include gays as equals to the rest of us [polls show Canadians are overwhelmingly in favour of gay marriage].
And the distraction? Maybe it is to distract us from the American issues of a fake war on Iraq, or trade issues Harper's heros in America are so blatantly bogus about , or Kyoto and air pollution and the fallout of climate change. Maybe it is about distracting us from the issues of legalisation of POT.
If we talked about those things, it might expose the Conservative's weak platform, their unholy alliances, and their christian agenda.
Karlin
Reverend Blair said:
Of course I appreciate your definitions.
But we have to admit that when these terms are used by the left etc. they have negative condemnations associated with them.
Now you have peaked my curiosity. Not really understanding weather you belong to the "most ppl" around here with beliefs in a higher being or not, I wonder just what atheist beliefs you would like to impose on Canadians?
Reverend Blair said:
Of course I appreciate your definitions.
But we have to admit that when these terms are used by the left etc. they have negative condemnations associated with them.
Now you have peaked my curiosity. Not really understanding weather you belong to the "most ppl" around here with beliefs in a higher being or not, I wonder just what atheist beliefs you would like to impose on Canadians?
Reverend Blair said:
Of course I appreciate your definitions.
But we have to admit that when these terms are used by the left etc. they have negative condemnations associated with them.
Now you have peaked my curiosity. Not really understanding weather you belong to the "most ppl" around here with beliefs in a higher being or not, I wonder just what atheist beliefs you would like to impose on Canadians?
RE: Harper says he'll pro
I wouldn't impose any atheist beliefs on Canada. I believe in the separation of church and state and I find it truly reprehensible that people like Stephen Harper would try to dictate their narrow, faith-based version of morality on a population that does not share their beliefs.
I'm not saying that they cannot have their beliefs. I am not saying that they have to perform same sex marriages in their churches. I am saying that our government cannot allow those churches to dictate legislation based on their religious views.
I wouldn't impose any atheist beliefs on Canada. I believe in the separation of church and state and I find it truly reprehensible that people like Stephen Harper would try to dictate their narrow, faith-based version of morality on a population that does not share their beliefs.
I'm not saying that they cannot have their beliefs. I am not saying that they have to perform same sex marriages in their churches. I am saying that our government cannot allow those churches to dictate legislation based on their religious views.
RE: Harper says he'll pro
I wouldn't impose any atheist beliefs on Canada. I believe in the separation of church and state and I find it truly reprehensible that people like Stephen Harper would try to dictate their narrow, faith-based version of morality on a population that does not share their beliefs.
I'm not saying that they cannot have their beliefs. I am not saying that they have to perform same sex marriages in their churches. I am saying that our government cannot allow those churches to dictate legislation based on their religious views.
I wouldn't impose any atheist beliefs on Canada. I believe in the separation of church and state and I find it truly reprehensible that people like Stephen Harper would try to dictate their narrow, faith-based version of morality on a population that does not share their beliefs.
I'm not saying that they cannot have their beliefs. I am not saying that they have to perform same sex marriages in their churches. I am saying that our government cannot allow those churches to dictate legislation based on their religious views.
RE: Harper says he'll pro
I wouldn't impose any atheist beliefs on Canada. I believe in the separation of church and state and I find it truly reprehensible that people like Stephen Harper would try to dictate their narrow, faith-based version of morality on a population that does not share their beliefs.
I'm not saying that they cannot have their beliefs. I am not saying that they have to perform same sex marriages in their churches. I am saying that our government cannot allow those churches to dictate legislation based on their religious views.
I wouldn't impose any atheist beliefs on Canada. I believe in the separation of church and state and I find it truly reprehensible that people like Stephen Harper would try to dictate their narrow, faith-based version of morality on a population that does not share their beliefs.
I'm not saying that they cannot have their beliefs. I am not saying that they have to perform same sex marriages in their churches. I am saying that our government cannot allow those churches to dictate legislation based on their religious views.
Basically,the Church controlled nearly every aspect of the people's lives for centuries here,but have lost control over the last 40 years. Harper and his lot are trying to revive some of the Church's principles for their own benefit. I quote Pierre Trudeau,who said something to the effect that "the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation".