Harper calls off summit

[I think not]

The country was committed to Kyoto. Harper was committed to that summit. The E.U. is not one country. It is twenty five countries who are all buyers, or potential buyers of Canadian goods. Do we really want to alienate them because Harper doesn't want to be criticised?

Canada has been trying to "diversify" it's economy since the days of Lester Pearson. Europe is not interested.

Big deal he cancelled a "summit". Sounds more like a spanking to me. The EU countries have not and will not (except for the UK and Germany) meet their Kyoto targets. Pot meet kettle.....

The european elitists want a scape goat seems to me.

 

[Tonington]

I'll make this simple. Read Sir Nicholas Stern's report. If you still think the economies will be better off, well then you must be one heck of an economist. If the developed world meets the commitments, that technology will become more efficient, and the price will go down. Efficient technology can be exported. This will help those countries meet expectations. Besides the fact, the developing nations contributions to greenhouse gas emmission is by far a portion of a percentage compared to developed nations. Why on earth should we be using developing nations as a metre stick to our own situation? Ridiculous.

 

[Outta here]

No this threads title is "Harper calls off summit "

exACTLY.

hen everybody jumps on the "how dare he" band wagon.

and that's bad because..... ?

I not stearing this thread away from the issue,

I disagree.

Harpers snub is bad because it is a cause that you support....

uhhh yeah... no argument from me about that


but this... now THIS gets me riled:

...if it wasn't you pet project, and it was directed at the US, you would all be behind him 100%. Screaming from the hill tops, "Take that you lousy Americans, stay out of our politics, we're a sovereign nation, we can make our own decissions!"

I've never liked someone else telling me what I would or would not do in a situation, nor what I think or don't think... I'm pretty capable of discerning that for myself, thanks... and I'll just say it one more time in case ya blinked and missed it: If it was America holding us accountable, I'd feel the same way. Period. It is neither appropriate nor valid for you to decide on my behalf what response I'd have if it was the States we were snubbing...

Your all hypocrits.

Jeeze CB, this coming from the same guy who I gave a thumbs up to earlier today for your ability to maintain an open mind and stay outta the muck.... I retract that comment here and now.

 

[CDNBear]

exACTLY.



and that's bad because..... ?



I disagree.




uhhh yeah... no argument from me about that


but this... now THIS gets me riled:



I've never liked someone else telling me what I would or would not do in a situation, nor what I think or don't think... I'm pretty capable of discerning that for myself, thanks... and I'll just say it one more time in case ya blinked and missed it: If it was America holding us accountable, I'd feel the same way. Period. It is neither appropriate nor valid for you to decide on my behalf what response I'd have if it was the States we were snubbing...



Jeeze CB, this coming from the same guy who I gave a thumbs up to earlier today for your ability to maintain an open mind and stay outta the muck.... I retract that comment here and now.

I'm hurt, really I am.

I may have missed my intended targets with some of my salvo's. And in that case retract it. I was feeling pressure on all flanks and decided to go all out with the Claymore's. I do apologise. Just the fog of war, lol.

 

[#juan]

I never stated it was not an issue. It is a huge issue, it needs to be addressed seriously by the individual Nation, not have it thrust upon them by outside forces. It ceryainly does not give the right to any other country to address our involvement with or with out it.

That kind of thinking is part of the problem. The care and maintenance of "Spaceship Earth" is everyone's problem. If every country polluted like Canada and the U.S., Earth would likely be uninhabitable.

 

[CDNBear]

That kind of thinking is part of the problem. The care and maintenance of "Spaceship Earth" is everyone's problem. If every country polluted like Canada and the U.S., Earth would likely be uninhabitable.

Like Canada and the US, what are we like 7% to the US's 20+%. How about China and the US.

 

[Tonington]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Kyoto was a treaty was it not? It is indeed other countries right to question us if we are not following the treaty. Or maybe it's no one elses business when a Non-Proliferation treaty nation decides to start building nuclear weapons.

 

[Tonington]

China is below the US and Canada in both carbon emmisions per capita, and total emmisions. They have cleaner technology than we do.

 

[CDNBear]

China is below the US and Canada in both carbon emmisions per capita, and total emmisions. They have cleaner technology than we do.

[FONT=TIMES NEW ROMAN, GEORGIA, TIMES]Examining China's emissions claims[/FONT]

[FONT=ARIAL, TREBUCHET, HELVETICA]Evidence suggests China not cutting greenhouse emissions [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Trebuchet MS, Helvetica]Monday, August 20, 2001[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by David Rothbard and Craig Rucker[/FONT] When the Bush administration withdrew from the Kyoto Protocol, howls of protest emerged from all over the world – especially China. This is because the Chinese government was claiming it was reducing its use of fossil fuels even at a great cost to its economy, so why couldn't the U.S. do the same?

Indeed, so remarkable was the Chinese achievement that its assertions – i.e. about being able to grow its economy by a hefty 36% while decreasing both its energy output and greenhouse gas emissions by 17 and 14 percent respectively – had many enviro's looking to the Eastern Giant as a leader in the battle to stop dastardly global warming.

Now comes new research by the World Bank that puts the karate chop to China's fanciful claims. To begin with, the report notes, China's switch from coal to natural gas isn't occurring nearly as speedily as officials insist. Nobuhiro Horii of the Institute of Developing Economies in Japan, said that China's claims to have made inroads into carbon dioxide reduction in just two years, or even four, are not "credible." Nor is the growth in renewables, such as hydropower, replacing coal.

Traffic has also been increasing in recent years as well, with vehicle use in China has doubled every five years – yet the Chinese government maintains only a mere 11% increase between 1996-99, an increase experts says is highly suspect.

Perhaps most disturbing, however, is China's false clams that it is closing down some of its coal mines in the Hunan province – even though it is now learned that they are remaining open. This is significant because China is the second-largest producer of greenhouse gases and, unlike the U.S., is exempt from the harsh mandates of the Kyoto Protocol. Thus, it is only China's "good" word that will keep them accountable to any greenhouse gas reductions should the future accord go into effect.

No doubt this report is making chop suey out of questionable Chinese greenhouse-reduction claims.
Really?

 

[#juan]

Like Canada and the US, what are we like 7% to the US's 20+%. How about China and the US.

On a per capita basis, Canada is one of the worst. China has what, 1.2 billion people? I don't wanna go there.

 

[CDNBear]

On a per capita basis, Canada is one of the worst. China has what, 1.2 billion people? I don't wanna go there.

But isn't that just another part of the flaw?

Does it really matte rhow many people live within the borders, if you're producing harmful waste, you're producing harmful waste. No?

 

[Tonington]

China may be using more coal, but their reactors are new and using new cleaner technology. They also have more stringent emmisions standards for passenger vehicles. You can't drive a Ford, or A GM vehicle in China because they don't meet standards.

 

[Tonington]

But isn't that just another part of the flaw?

Does it really matte rhow many people live within the borders, if you're producing harmful waste, you're producing harmful waste. No?

It definitely does matter. The population is exploding there, because of that it is imperative that they have lower per capita emmisions.

 

[#juan]

But isn't that just another part of the flaw?

Does it really matte rhow many people live within the borders, if you're producing harmful waste, you're producing harmful waste. No?

My point was that if China produced the emissions Canada does per capita, with 1.3 billion people, the number would be awesome. Just multiply our emissions by what, 40 odd?

 

[Curiosity]

I cannot believe it...

Canada finally gets a PM with some cojones - rather than that last ballet dancer you had - and nothing he does pleases the chittering crowd.

Bear - you've been fending off sh&t all day....you must be getting tired! Big audience cheer anyhoo.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Steven Harper decides not to kiss European Ass and the Liberals are in an uproar, Boo Fooking Hoo..

 

[Johnny Utah]

Harper: Screw The Europeans
Bush: That's My Boy!

Were The Liberals right?

 

[Tonington]

No one is asking for him to kiss anything. For another, I'm not a Liberal. All I ask is that our Prime Minister be accountable, what is wrong with that? If he had any balls at all he would go and defend Canada's position, instead of making lame excuses. I mean he's going to be in Latvia at the end of the month, very near the same time as this conference.

 

[MikeyDB]

hmmmmm

Isn't the point more about our accountability and committment as a nation to the problem of global warming? Mr. Harper represents us. So does his abdication from any discussion about this issue.
It doesn't matter who's criticizing us - be it the US or Europe... if our policies are derailing important strides towards progress on an issue that affects ALL of us, we should be present and accountable for that.

Would you agree that it's fair to characterize the effectiveness of recent and current Canadian government "policy" has demonstrated only a consistency of failure from one government to the next?

How have Canadian governments addressed global warming and pollution in general?

Are we successful?

 

[gc]

Canada finally gets a PM with some cojones - rather than that last ballet dancer you had - and nothing he does pleases the chittering crowd.

The cojones to explain how Harper's "made in Canada" plan is better than kyoto? Apparently not.

Steven Harper decides not to kiss European Ass and the Liberals are in an uproar, Boo Fooking Hoo..

Kind of like how conservatives complained when the Liberals didn't kiss American ass?