Hamas Wins

[the caracal kid]

there is a very real risk of causing greater destabilization with a knee-jerk reaction of cutting off ties and funding because Hamas won. If these countries want to push for democracy, they have to work with the results of it, if they like the results or not. Cutting off Palistine now is sending a very bad message to Palistinians. More will also be accomplished by working with Hamas. Cutting them off leaves them with nothing to lose which if could only bring out the worst of actions (from the perspective of the west).

 

[DasFX]

Misinformed response

I would rather my tax dollars be redirected into another more deserving group.

Apparently bias blinds your rational side.

Typical American response. So you would say that Americans have no brought terror to any of the civilians in the Middle East?

 

[Jay]

Of course I don't want to see anyone have Nuclear weapons, but I still don't see how we allow the US (the only nation to use Nuclear weapons against innocient civilians) to dictate who should and shouldn't have nuclear weapons.

It isn't America saying this. It is France, Germany and the UK mainly. The Americans are smart (unlike Iran) and they are staying on the side lines.

The Atomic Agency is headed by who? It sure isn't an American...

Think for a moment that you live in Tehran, how would you feel if your biggest enemy had weapons that could obliterate you in one shot, would you not want them too?

If I was in Tehran, I would leave.

If Iran hits Israel it’s a one shot deal too. Israel is our ally, Iran is proving itself to be the enemy.

The world is afraid that Iran will strike first, who is to say that Israel won't? Are Jews more trustworthy than Muslims?

Iran has said they want Israel wiped off the map. Personally I would have done these folks in a while ago, but they don't let me make the decisions, so Iran lives another day. But the glorious thing is we have the American Army sitting on her boarder!!

You can't have one strong nation? The world was much safer when the USSR was around, because there was a counter balance, now the US and its allies think they rule the world.

So the world was much safer with Soviet expansionism and the world on the brink of nuclear war?

The world is safer now without her power, although nature hates a vacuum and the so called death of International Communism has left a vacuum that is being filled by the likes of Bin Laden and such, but we will deal with them in due time.

I'm on America's side. I'm not lending my support to the gangs of freaks. They want war, I say lets go and show them what hell means.

 

[Jersay]

Jay, America is not going to attack Iran.

Want to know why?

Because the government in charge of iraq has said they would help defend Iran from any attack.

Democracy at work, eh!

 

[I think not]

Jay, America is not going to attack Iran.

Want to know why?

Because the government in charge of iraq has said they would help defend Iran from any attack.

Democracy at work, eh!

Oh so now a leftist gives legitimacy to the Iraqi government?

My my what a tangled web we weave.....

 

[Nosferax]

Re: RE: Hamas Wins

[quote="Nosferax]You say they were correct to accept hitler and then you say they were guilty of not doing anything once he started murdering and invading others... Think of all the pain and loss people wouldn't have been subject to if the rest of the world would have taken a stand against him at the start. You can't have your cake and eat it too... If you accept the legitimacy of Hamas as a political party and government you have to accept their agenda also. That means you are allright with the use of terrorism as a political tool and that you also accept the killing of innocent people.

Hitler's election victory was legit, and was rightfully accepted. The world should have taken notice when he went on to pass the Enabling Act which in essence turned Germany from a multi-party decocracy to a single party dictatorship.

I'm not saying Hamas has a great track record, but to discount them before they have even been sworn in is a bit hypocritical. The world should accept them and have a wait and see approach.

How can the will of the people be wrong?[/quote]

Why wait and see... We already know they are a bunch of terrorist. Unless all those terrorist act Hamas as done before the election are forgiven due to the fact that a bunch of uneducated, brainwashed and bought people voted for them.

Hamas not having a great track record is the understatement of the year!

 

[Jersay]

Oh so now a leftist gives legitimacy to the Iraqi government?

My my what a tangled web we weave.....

Yes, an extremely tangled web.

 

[DasFX]

Iran has said they want Israel wiped off the map. Personally I would have done these folks in a while ago, but they don't let me make the decisions, so Iran lives another day. But the glorious thing is we have the American Army sitting on her boarder!!

Do you really think America and Israel don't have a few nations that they would like to wipe off the map?

I'm not supporting terrorism or saying that places like N. Korea and Iran and what not are just misunderstood and really are nice places to live, I'm just saying that both sides, including the US and Israel contribute to the problems today.

Your love affair with the US is nauseating. It is one thing to be good friendly neighbours, but we don't have to blindly follow them at every turn. Your posts where you have said that you wouldn't mind it if the US took over Canada speaks volumes. If you were PM, you would not only be kissing GWB' s ass, you'd be giving it a bit of tongue as well!

 

[Jersay]

Why wait and see... We already know they are a bunch of terrorist. Unless all those terrorist act Hamas as done before the election are forgiven due to the fact that a bunch of uneducated, brainwashed and bought people voted for them.

Hamas not having a great track record is the understatement of the year!

When Hamas signed a cease-fire with Israel they kept to it mostly. They only responded with rocket fire when they believed that Israelis acted agressively.

So they can keep to a peace agreement.

 

[I think not]

Do you really think America and Israel don't have a few nations that they would like to wipe off the map?

Then why don't they?

 

[Jay]

Do you really think America and Israel don't have a few nations that they would like to wipe off the map?

Of course they do, they just have things like tact and diplomatic ideas that help tame them. Iran doesn't.

I'm not supporting terrorism or saying that places like N. Korea and Iran and what not are just misunderstood and really are nice places to live, I'm just saying that both sides, including the US and Israel contribute to the problems today.

The world isn't fair. There are simple steps for these countries to be brought into the realm of peace and prosperity.

We have the upper hand and we are the good guys. Sometimes good guys do bad things....you learn to live with it.

Your love affair with the US is nauseating.

Typical Canadian response. I have a love affair with Briton too; it just doesn't come through as much. We owe America and I need to counter balance the complete lack of respect Canadians have with their best ally. I might be nauseating, but how do you think I feel about the lack of respect Canadians show Americans...it makes me sick too.

It is one thing to be good friendly neighbours, but we don't have to blindly follow them at every turn. Your posts where you have said that you wouldn't mind it if the US took over Canada <SNIP: SPAM> volumes. If you were PM, you would not only be kissing GWB' s ass, you'd be giving it a bit of tongue as well!

We have had 40 years of Liberal Anti-Americanism I don't know wht your talking about following them blindly at every turn.

If I was PM, I wouldn't need to kiss America's ass, they would be looking North saying "Holy Shit, get a load of this guy!! We sure are glad he's on our team." Rather than rolling their eyes at us twice a day under Liberal so-called leadership.

If I was PM, there would be no question about why we shouldn’t join America.

And yes I have said I wouldn’t “mind” it if the US took over Canada. It would be a hell of a lot better than being over run by commies like we are now.

 

[the caracal kid]

"We owe America"

what exactly are you talking about?

"We have the upper hand and we are the good guys"

everybody claims to be the good guys.

 

[Nosferax]

When Hamas signed a cease-fire with Israel they kept to it mostly. They only responded with rocket fire when they believed that Israelis acted agressively.

So they can keep to a peace agreement.

Mostly is the word here... And also the fact they didn't acknowledge their responsability for terrorist act doesn't mean they didn't do it or helped it. Eck, if they can kill children they can also lie!

 

[Jay]

Like it or not they are our largest trading partner, they make up alot of our bread and butter. We have also been riding their defense policy for some time now. We can also thank them for standing up to the Russians. Europe owes them too. They aren't perfect, but they are worthy of respect.

They are a great nieghbour IMO.

 

[the caracal kid]

it is all a matter of perspective, jay.

if we owe them anything, then we owe just as much to every other "nation" on the planet, for they all are a part of the human world.

Are you grateful that the US and Russia had the arms race?

 

[Jay]

Any time we get to shove the enemy in a corner and rob them of their influence, I'm happy. You should be too.

 

[the caracal kid]

"the enemy"?

last time i checked all these nations are comprised of the same species.

 

[Jay]

I don't see how that has any bearing on anything.

 

[the caracal kid]

the problems stem from petty tribalisms, thats how!

you say "we owe america",....

i say that all of humanity is part of the system and as such we owe, if anything, to our fellow humans. We owe not to constructs that divide such as nations.

 

[Colpy]

Well my unwelcome opinion around here would be...

That the U.S. stop sending their 350 million bucks in aide annually to Palestine now because they are ruled by a terrorist organization.

Ashwari this morning said "If the US doesn't want to pay us - we'll get it from Iran or another nation willing to support us"....

Fine - they are probably collecting payoff money from many middle east countries regardless of who is in power. Primarily to keep Isreal in its "place" whatever that is.

I don't like to see my tax dollars fund terrorism. Too many other good people in real poverty who are not brandishing their swords could use the U.S. money.

Exactly. Well said.