Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[spilledthebeer]

First of all, I was born in New Brunswick, and I've lived in New Brunswick for my entire life..........except for a few months I lived in Montreal.


You don't get more Canadian than me.


Secondly, the only changes made to the Criminal Code in this area in the last 20 years were made under Harper, in which he made self-defense and citizen's arrest easier.


Thirdly.....was the guy in Toronto convicted? I doubt it.


Fourth, forcing treatment on addicts is a complete waste of time. If they are not at the point of wanting treatment, it will fail.


You are way off-base on this one.

Okay....................so you are not a Yankee......you just sound like one when you speak of gun control and such!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for Harper and self defense- LIE-berals are working very HARD to undermine that stuff as I have said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals have been LEGALLY attacking citizens who simply defend themselves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Recall the Lucky Moose Supermarket in Toronto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Owner got sick and tired of one drug addict slipping into the store and grabbing merchandise that he could later sell for drug money!!!!!!


Clown would wait till store was crowded and then strike and take off on bicycle before owner could catch him !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And NO PROBLEM with identification as the store has security cameras!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So one day owner was quick and caught the addict and collared him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Unfortunately some do gooder got sight of the addict wrapped up in duct tape on the floor of a white panel van!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Addict was not injured at that time- merely a little roughed up as he struggled to break free of captors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cops were called and ARRESTED STORE OWNER FOR KIDNAPPING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Owner claimed he was only planning to drive addict out of town and dump him.........on that warm summer afternoon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



And in order to insure that addict would testify- LIE-beral prosecutors DROPPED THE THEFT AND DRUG POSSESSION CHARGES AGAINST ADDICT?????????????????????????


So WHO is the real victim here and who should we blame???????????????????????????


I say store owner and Cdn tax payers are the victims!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The addict had EIGHTY SIX PREVIOUS CONVICTIONS for previous theft and drug charges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This in a LIE-beral justice system that ROUTINELY PLEA BARGAINS CRIMES OUT OF EXISTENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Now- I believe that any time a person is tied up in a van- cops ought to investigate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AND ANY TIME A THIEF like Colton Boushie gets shot there MUST be police investigation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


However- LIE-berals have consistently demonstrated that their are more interested in DISCOURAGING PUBLIC ACTION against thieves than they are in DEALING WITH THIEVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The entire LIE-beral premise is DEAD WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


It goes against standard Cdn values- so many Cdns think either cops should do the job or the public should be freed to do the job on thieves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



That LIE-berals simply REFUSE EITHER OPTION is why their popularity is falling in so many places!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As for the restaurant owner- as I have said- my understanding is that there was some sort of slimy plea bargain done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And even without a CONVICTION LIE-berals STILL MANAGED to punish the owner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NOBODY PAID HIS LEGAL BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But the addict got away FREE thank to legal aid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The guy who MADE all the trouble gets treated as a victim and the guy who is tired of addicts breaking his car windows in search for stuff to steal is treated as a VILLAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Where is the justice in that???????????????????????????????


As for forcing treatment on addicts- the Imperial Chinese govt HAD EXPERIENCE of that - using a combination of carrot and stick!!!!!!!!!


Get caught using drugs the first time and you are a victim and taken off to hospital and treated kindly and gently till your physical addiction is ended.....................


And then you are released....................................


Get caught using drugs a second time and you are judged as a SLOW LEARNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You still go off to hospital and are kept till your physical addiction is ended.............but you OWE SOCIETY ..............so you must work off that debt- washing floors and hauling trash, cleaning up vomit from other withdrawing drug addicts - in that hospital!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Then you are released.......................................


Get caught a third time and you are judged as a STUPID CRIMINAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You still get taken to hospital but your care is minimal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Your food is poor- you are a blight on society that is being given ONE LAST CHANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



You are sick AND STUPID but you are NO LONGER AN INNOCENT VICTIM so your care is rough and minimal..................


And you have major debts to work off at the hospital once you regain health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And then you are eventually released...............................................


Get caught using drugs that fourth time and its a bullet in the head for the incurable addict!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals would no doubt be SHOCKED to learn that the number of Opium addicts in China PLUMMETED after addicts were offered that cure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The problem we have with modern addicts -aside from LIE-beral refusal to treat them seriously - is how completely they can destroy their lives................in ways that were not available in previous decades and centuries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Consider the high school kid I knew with the serious addiction problem- he DOES graduate from high school - but in our society over 75 percent of of ALL JOBS now require post secondary education so his employment prospects are already limited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He manages to get a job..................but the addiction is getting ever WORSE and more costly so he ends up getting caught STEALING from his boss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He has also been put out of his parents house for stealing from them as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


When you pawn your mothers wedding ring without her permission so you an pay off drug debts you are in pretty deep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


So the guy is arrested and does some LIGHT time because he is ashamed and wants to go straight but simply doesnt have the will power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And he gets treated and released...............but the jobs open to him are CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


His dismal life prospects are weighing on him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Poverty unending is demoralizing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And as we know -even healthy clean kids are disgusted with the McJobs available out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Its WAY WORSE for the semi reformed addict struggling to find a reason to live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



He has only that high school education to begin with and his former addiction has ensured he can never drive a car or delivery vehicle since hard core addicts aint allowed a drivers license!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And in Durham Region where the kid lives - the bosses out there SCORN employees who dont have a car so the kids lack of mobility in a society that routinely puts kids on NIGHT SHIFT and which also SHUTS DOWN the public transit at 9pm is also crippling!!!!!!!!!!!


So what incentive does this kid have to kick his habit????????????????????


His life is a WRECK and he cannot fix it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


At least a 19th century Chinese labourer could go back to labouring after being released!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But the life of this modern Cdn kid is pretty much OVER before it started!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And he is dragging that criminal conviction for theft along like a ball and chain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A 19th century reformed addict could go some place else and start over..............not so in our computerized world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hence my interest in DISCOURAGING kids before the get addicted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And thus my interest in more secure borders and tougher sentences for dealers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pgs]

So you are stating that the news media of the day simply named the light house in Stanley because they could not be bothered looking up the real location on a map??????????????????


Or that LIE-beral propaganda "changed" the location for some reason?????????????


What ever.....................even wikipedia says a west coast light house was shelled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was , the light house at Estevan Point was shelled . It is a remote spot on the west coast of Vancouver Island . Anti submarine patrols based out of Vancouver such ass the HMS Sackville participated in the unsuccessful hunt for the Japanese sub .

 

[Hoid]

It was , the light house at Estevan Point was shelled . It is a remote spot on the west coast of Vancouver Island . Anti submarine patrols based out of Vancouver such ass the HMS Sackville participated in the unsuccessful hunt for the Japanese sub .

The Navy has always worked out of Esquimalt.

 

[pgs]

The Navy has always worked out of Esquimalt.

Study history .

 

[Twin_Moose]

Study history .

Do you think it will help a Carbon Climate liar? He may have read about the base as he was Trolling by

 

[Hoid]

Study history .

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/esquimalt

Esquimalt officially became the headquarters of the Royal Navy's Pacific Station in 1865, although the navy had constructed buildings on Duntze Head as early as 1855. By the 1880s rapid growth was occurring through the building of Royal Navy dry docks (1887), the construction of the Esquimalt and Nanaimo Railway (1886), and the founding of a military base at Work Point (1887). Esquimalt's attractive setting made it a desirable residential location for many of Victoria's business and political leaders. The navy base was abandoned by the admiralty in 1905 but became the West Coast base of the newly-created Royal Canadian Navy in 1910 (see also ARMED FORCES).

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

From various remarks made on this site Colpy- it is my understanding that you are a Yankee................

Well, I guess the jig's up, Colpy. You've been outed by the village idiot.

 

[pgs]

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/esquimalt

Esquimalt officially became the headquarters of the Royal Navy's Pacific Station in 1865, although the navy had constructed buildings on Duntze Head as early as 1855. By the 1880s rapid growth was occurring through the building of Royal Navy dry docks (1887), the construction of the Esquimalt and Nanaimo Railway (1886), and the founding of a military base at Work Point (1887). Esquimalt's attractive setting made it a desirable residential location for many of Victoria's business and political leaders. The navy base was abandoned by the admiralty in 1905 but became the West Coast base of the newly-created Royal Canadian Navy in 1910 (see also ARMED FORCES).

Did I ever suggest otherwise ? The navy also maintained a presence in Prince Rupert during WW2 . In Vancouver the navy was located in Jericho and Deadman’s Island . ( I believe that was the name , going on memory )

 

[pgs]

Well, I guess the jig's up, Colpy. You've been outed by the village idiot.

Well the population of New Brunswick is supposed to be made up of Acadians and United Empire loyalists . That makes him American only a few generations removed .

 

[Curious Cdn]

Wikipedia happens to be correct in this instance . Stanley Park was not shelled , it happened to be well defended with armaments well intrenched at Prospect Point .

If you go out back behind the UBC Museum of Anthropology, you'll see the ruins of old gun emplacements that would have had pretty powerful weapons in them.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Did I ever suggest otherwise ? The navy also maintained a presence in Prince Rupert during WW2 . In Vancouver the navy was located in Jericho and Deadman’s Island . ( I believe that was the name , going on memory )

On the East Coast, the Navy operated out of Halifax, St. John, St. John's, Liverpool, Shelburne, North Sydney, Gaspe, Digby ... anywhere with a decent, little harbour or river mouth had Fairmiles, Algerines and other small coastal craft operating out of them ... with mixed results, mind you.

 

[Colpy]

Senator Pratte stumbles

TOPICS:firearmsgun controlgun lawsgunshomicidelaw abiding gun ownerLiberal Party of CanadamurderPALstatistics

Senator Pratte belongs to the Independent Senators Group and was appointed by Justin Trudeau
Posted By: Gary Mauser February 13, 2019
Senator Pratte stumbles when he claims that:
“Over the last 10 years, 193 PAL holders were charged or suspected in homicides involving a firearm. … Contrary to the estimate produced by professor Mauser (not by Statistics Canada), licensed gun owners are more likely to be involved in firearm homicides than unlicensed firearm owners. Licensed owners represent 7% of Canada’s adult population, yet account for at least 12% of firearm homicides committed each year in Canada.”
I do not understand why Senator Pratte continues to misrepresent the results of his Special Request to Statistics Canada.
His statement contains a few elementary errors.
First, I don’t know where he got the number 193. Perhaps this includes 2017. The results from Stats Can that he shared with me shows there were 186 PAL holders who had been “Charged / suspect-chargeable,” not 193, from 2006 through 2016. Second, this time period is 11 years, not 10, as he claims. If we now include 2017, that extends the period to 12 years.
I privately corrected these mistakes when he graciously shared the data he was given by StatsCan with me a few months ago.
Senator Pratte is disingenuous when he equates “charged or suspected” with being “involved” or “account for” homicide. The police typically report 2-3 suspects per homicide victim, even when there is only one perpetrator. More importantly, not all accused are convicted. So, it cannot be true that that 186 PAL holders committed homicide over this 11 year time period.
This is a sweeping indictment of the Canadian Firearms Program.
If Senator Pratte really believed that unlicensed gun owners were less violent than PAL holders, he should oppose licensing.
Senator Pratte disparages my estimates
The Senator criticizes my estimate that licensed gun owners are less likely to be involved in firearm homicides than other Canadians. The estimate in my testimony to the Senate was based on a Special Request to Statistics Canada, just as his was. A key difference in our estimates was that StatsCan provided me with only those licensed owners who had been “accused,” not just suspected. Unsurprisingly, there are somewhat fewer “accused” than “suspects.” Senator Plett has pointed out that 42% of those who are charged with homicide are cleared, so the true count of murderers are PAL holders is much less than 186.
Senator Pratte commits another elementary error when he claims, “Licensed owners represent 7% of Canada’s adult population, yet account for at least 12% of firearm homicides committed each year in Canada.”
He is correct that 7% of the adult pop hold a PAL, but after correcting his counting errors, PAL holders are “suspected of” committing 9% of firearm homicides (using his StatsCan report), or “accused of” committing 7% of firearm homicides, using what StatsCan reported to me.
Note that 83% of PAL holders are adult males, so that the group that PAL holders are most comparable to are adult Canadian males. Just 7% of PAL holders are accused of committing homicide while adult males are accused of committing more than 80% of homicides.
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StatsCan doesn’t report how many PAL holders were convicted.
It is important to keep in mind that the numbers of PAL holders either “accused” or “suspected” of homicide are exceptionally small and are based upon notoriously unreliable police reports.
As Senator Plett has pointed out, at the bottom of the spreadsheet that Senator Pratte relies upon is the warning from Statistics Canada that “data related to firearm licensing of the charged / suspect-chargeable should be interpreted with caution.”
Some basic statistics:
From 2006 through 2015, an average of 126 PAL holders were reported by the police as being “accused” (my stats) or 168 “suspected” of committing homicide (Senator Pratte’s). Out of 2 million PAL holders. There were 1,736 homicide victims where the accused used a firearm.



https://justiceforgunowners.ca/senator-pratte-stumbles/


These guys simply can not stop lying for a minute.

 

[Hoid]

On the East Coast, the Navy operated out of Halifax, St. John, St. John's, Liverpool, Shelburne, North Sydney, Gaspe, Digby ... anywhere with a decent, little harbour or river mouth had Fairmiles, Algerines and other small coastal craft operating out of them ... with mixed results, mind you.

The idea that a Corvette sailed out of Vancouver to hunt a sub on the west coast of Vancouver Island is something only some Surrey 7-11 clerk could come up with.

 

[Curious Cdn]

The idea that a Corvette sailed out of Vancouver to hunt a sub on the west coast of Vancouver Island is something only some Surrey 7-11 clerk could come up with.

Not a lot of Corvettes made it west. They needed every escort that they could get their hands on for the hard-pressed and really dangerous North Atlantic and Russian convoys.

 

[Curious Cdn]

p.s. A fair number of Corvettes were built at Yarrows and Burrard.

 

[pgs]

If you go out back behind the UBC Museum of Anthropology, you'll see the ruins of old gun emplacements that would have had pretty powerful weapons in them.

No kidding .

 

[pgs]

p.s. A fair number of Corvettes were built at Yarrows and Burrard.

So we are all right , sort of .

 

[Curious Cdn]

So we are all right , sort of .

Tell it,pigs. Tell us the truth of it. Do your homework, for once.

 

[pgs]

Tell it,pigs. Tell us the truth of it. Do your homework, for once.

I never made any incorrect statements .

 

[Curious Cdn]

I never made any incorrect statements .

You never do much more than troll.