Group of praying imams ordered off American flight

[Curiosity]

Well I won't belabor this any more.... I think Investor's Daily gives enough information that Homeland Security were doing the work they are paid to do.

Generalizations abound about Muslims everywhere - however these guys were calling attention to themselves - for whatever reason I don't care.

This would not register a blip with me if we were in a restaurant or other public venue - but if I am to fly 3000 miles with six nutbars, I would like a choice of deplaning or having them removed until they were determined to be harmless oldcrackers. I have spent hours with Islamic males waiting in Immigration for our turns at the whipping post - and I have found them to be gentlemen in every way - except they have told me I talk too much! Which is true. But boarding a plane I would be hesitant. If that is bias - I'll own it. I like living.

Generalizing also abounds on many essays about pedophile priests and rarely do we see anything in their defense either while we know not all priests are pedophiles.

 

[Sassylassie]

Good post Curio and Tracy but I truely believe the ring leader had an agenda from the very beginning and I would not be surprised if he planned the entire stunt. I would never get on a plane with someone who had been chanting Allah Akbar in the boarding lounge, sorry if that's being a bigot but I'd be stupid to ignore this kind of behavior. I pray when I fly but I don't feel the need to yell "Jesus Save me the pilots is to young to shave how can he be a real pilot."

 

[Curiosity]

Sassy - you are right - here is the next step in their agenda. It would seem these six were trying to provoke an incident in an airline terminal....so they could have their message heard.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003446938_prayin25m.html

Muslims protest with prayer at Sea-Tac
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THOMAS JAMES HURST / THE SEATTLE TIMES
Frank Meyers, right, of San Jose, Calif., disagrees Friday with Jafar Siddiqui, left, of American Muslims of Puget Sound, and the group's prayers at a US Airways counter at Sea-Tac.


Six Seattle-area Muslims gathered in prayer Friday in front of a US Airways ticket counter at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport to protest the removal of six imams from a flight in Minneapolis earlier this week.
The prayer lasted eight minutes without incident.
"We are asserting the right of Muslims to be free of fear, free of apprehension, to take an equal seat at the table," said Jafar Siddiqui, a member of American Muslims of Puget Sound.
Afterward, airport patron Frank Meyers, of San Jose, Calif., accused airport terminal managers of being "politically correct" by allowing the prayer service to block a public elevator.
"We're in a war, sir," he told an airport terminal manager. "We're in a war against terrorism. Do you have any concept of that?"
The imams were removed from the flight to Phoenix on Monday night after three of them said their usual evening prayers in the terminal in Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport before boarding, said Omar Shahin, president of the North American Imams Federation, who was one of the passengers removed.
According to a police report, a US Airways manager said three of the men had one-way tickets and none checked baggage. Some of the men also asked for seat-belt extensions even though a flight attendant told police she thought they didn't need them.
A national Muslim group has planned a much larger pray-in for Monday morning at Reagan National Airport in Washington, D.C.

 

[Nikki]

Two things we can't refute regardless of who's cheering for whom....

1. The Imams knew exactly when prayer time was to take place;

2. The Imams booked their flight during which the prayer time was to take place.

Both situations were in their personal control.

If some dude got down on a mat in the aisle and began his prayers with his shoes removed, I wouldn't continue watching the little television screen and none of you would either...

And folks as I said before...they had other travel options.... they had their eyes on the prize!

Mayeb they did, and the stupid airline fell for it too. Because of societies intolerances to others. Its bull****. They should not have been kicked off the flight and detained. Just like last week the women who was breastfeeding should not have been kicked off. Do you think a women can control when her breast is going to leak umm no.

 

[Nikki]

I think it's hard to jump to conclusions here without knowing the specifics. If they were in the aisle prostrating on prayer mats and the whole 9 yards then I would think that lacks common sense and they shouldn't be surprised if they were told to stop. If they in fact said them in the terminal before boarding like another poster claims, then there was no reason to throw them off.

Personally it is probably somewhere in the middle it always is. Neither side will be telling the full truth. I doubt that they were in the asile doing the whole 9 yards but i also doubt they were low key about the whole thing. And so what? if a christian got kicked off an airplane because they were praying loudly there would be hell to pay.

 

[Nikki]

If you want to make a case for returning to this board you should make it directly to Andem rather than creating multiple profiles.

I think this is something you should be talking about through PM insted of embarrassing her on a public forum don't you think?

 

[Nikki]

A guy on television remarked that many priests or nuns or other clerics say prayers or do the rosary while on board an aircraft -

Yup - but Christians and Jews did not fly planes into the WTC and two other locations.

Last time I checked the people who were on this plane didn't either. you know what bothers me about this??? there are lots of crazy christians out there that do stupid things all the time. But do christians get persecuted. Noway.

there are religious extremists from every religious and they are all F***ing nuts! But does that mean we should suddenly start treating them all as outcasts. No.

I am not saying security measures should no be taken, but paranoia has caused people to go to far. There has been countless experiments done on tv where if a unshaven muslim guy goes through security they get stoped. The same muslim goes and shaves... remarkable he doesn't get stoped. It's things like this that just boil my blood.

It's no doubt that we live in a different world now (no help to the US governments anti-muslim propaganda) but some places take it a bit to far. there are things on this side of the world know as freedoms. Freedom of religious and freedom of speech. For me this was too far. You can't tell me their wasn't other muslims on that flight that didn't say 'hey they are just praying". Like i said before if it were a christian insted of a muslim there would be hell to pay.

 

[Nikki]

Sassy - you are right - here is the next step in their agenda. It would seem these six were trying to provoke an incident in an airline terminal....so they could have their message heard.

hmm maybe it was some kind of weird protest??

 

[silky]

There is some additional information why the authorties became concerned:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014120.php

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53057

This group of imams had a history of contributing to terrorist organizations, please see the above links.

Also, it sound like a setup by the imams: a) so close to the busiest air travel time of the year. b) no checked luggage. c) all had a one way ticket.

 

[Sassylassie]

When this incident happened the media was in a feeding frenzy where are they now that it's purdy clear this was a staged incident. When I fly my safty if first and formost, I can pray quietly in my seat and so can Muslims. It's a no brainer.

Regarding the breast feeding incident, the trolly dolly must have breast issues because there is nothing unnatural or scary about breast feeding, hello that is what they are for.

Silky, thanks for the links this story is going to get interesting me thinks.:wave:

 

[Curiosity]

Nikki

The flight attendant who harrassed the mother feeding her child has been discharged from the airline.
I don't have a link but I read it over the Thanksgiving holiday.

The Imams were praying loudly in the terminal before the flight. It is outlined in the articles printed up for you to read - perhaps go over them and see what actually happened. It was repeated in a number of articles for you.

About Christians - there have been many many people removed from flying on aircraft - even before 9/11 of all faiths - this does not necessarily belong to the Imams of this topic. They are the ones who created the controversy with the passengers boarding by praying out loud -

They also don't allow drunks or people who seem to be having a mental breakdown on planes until they have sobered up or cleared their heads.

Crammed into the body of an aircraft with any undesirable - and it doesn't have to have a religious attachment at all - does not make a pleasant flying experience unless you know of a way to ring the buzzer - have the plane stop mid-air so you can deplane and walk home.

Again the security people are sworn to protect the passengers. That is what they did. Slam dunk.

 

[Sassylassie]

Good post Curio, yep an airline won't let someone who's drunk on the plane but a couple of fellas in the departure lounge are chanting Allah Akabar and this is suppose to be okay. Nope, those are words I never want to hear getting on a plane or off, I think the Airline did the correct thing. I still think it was a staged media opp to further an agenda the ring leader wants laws passed to protect "Muslims" flying on airlines. Yep a special law just for them and the chicken dance begins.