Greens vs Green Energy

JLM

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Kitimat is 3 days closer to Asia than Vancouver by ship. Moving freight as efficiently as possible is what the Asia-Pacific Gateway Corridor is all about. Moving goods in and out of Western Canada on our current 100 year old infrastructure is horrible but some people want us to stay in the 19th and 20th centuries.

That thought did cross my mind. Is it enough?
 

Cabbagesandking

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The posts are confusing the generation of electricity and the use of fossil fuels for transportation. Studies show that by 2030 all new generation can be done by wind, water and solar by 2030 and all generation by 2050.

That is globally.

Replacing other carbon sources is an entirely different prospect. However, it can probably be done in the same time frame and peak oil and the bursting of the "fracking bubble" make it likely that it will be.
 

beaker

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When are you going to cough up proof I can make money and supply myself like you claimed I can?

As I mentioned earlier, "If we aren't careful we, us damned environmentalists, will force the corporate investors to start thinking for themselves, instead of just about themselves and how they can make a quick buck."
 

petros

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The posts are confusing the generation of electricity and the use of fossil fuels for transportation. Studies show that by 2030 all new generation can be done by wind, water and solar by 2030 and all generation by 2050.

That is globally.

That is malarky.

As I mentioned earlier, "If we aren't careful we, us damned environmentalists, will force the corporate investors to start thinking for themselves, instead of just about themselves and how they can make a quick buck."
Ever think that maybe those inviolved in punting panels and wind gennys are milking the masses for profits and really don't give a **** about anything but money?
 

beaker

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That is malarky.


Ever think that maybe those inviolved in punting panels and wind gennys are milking the masses for profits and really don't give a **** about anything but money?


If you read my first post in this thread you may see that we are agreed on that. Odd eh?
 

petros

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Speak of odd. What are the odds that NG companies, oil companies, coal power companies, hydro electric companies, wind energy companies, nuclear energy companies are in competetion and will do or say just about anything to push their products?
 

beaker

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The posts are confusing the generation of electricity and the use of fossil fuels for transportation. Studies show that by 2030 all new generation can be done by wind, water and solar by 2030 and all generation by 2050.

That is globally.

Replacing other carbon sources is an entirely different prospect. However, it can probably be done in the same time frame and peak oil and the bursting of the "fracking bubble" make it likely that it will be.

I introduced the electric vehicle to the discussion to show the inconsistency of people who expect environmentalists to be happy that someone is doing anything at all about the environmental problems associated with carbon based fuels. The OP tries to give the impression that environmentalists are wrong to consider the environment just because some proponent thinks they have a green project.
 

beaker

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Speak of odd. What are the odds that NG companies, oil companies, coal power companies, hydro electric companies, wind energy companies, nuclear energy companies are in competetion and will do or say just about anything to push their products?

It behooves us to be skeptical.
 

Cabbagesandking

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That is malarky.



Ever think that maybe those inviolved in punting panels and wind gennys are milking the masses for profits and really don't give a **** about anything but money?

You have no idea of the potential for Wind Power. It is estimated that the UK can produce six times its energy needs through that source. That is the practical limit and the possible is much more. Six times is the assessment using the limits of present technology and siting. That would be sufficient for most of Europe.

It will also provide far more jobs than conventional sources plus all the other pluses.
 

JLM

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:) install one in every government office and cubicle.... they could generate enough to keep the computers going, themselves warm, and a minimum of lights going. Talk about working with renewable energy.

As long as time isn't a factor!