Greatest Empire Ever

[jimmoyer]

And then there is the EMPIRE yet to come, very different
in its borderless way.

 

[Finder]

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And then there is the EMPIRE yet to come, very different
in its borderless way.

What the empire of the globalization of the markets of the world. Or are you one of those people who still believe that the USSR didn't actual collasp that it controls the UN and the evil UN will doninate the world. Or are you one of those people who believe in what Jack Vanimpiy (spelling) and his dumb... well nice ass wife likes to say about the evil USSR joining up with the evil EU in there communist goals and that the Islamic world will band together and the Crusading USA will have to save us all and that many will die but the true chosen will be saved from hell on earth with.... ah shit I forget what it's called...


Anyhow which one are ya? lol

 

[neallo]

the size of the empire doesnt matter. what matters is the how long it lasted and what they were able to achieve. the mongol empire was short lived compared to the romans, byzantanium and the british empire. the romans acheieved many things that helps us today and dont forget the mayans and the aztecs. what other civ rips people hearts out on top of huge buildings and then lets the blood run down the temple? or what about the mayans theory that the human race was going to end in 2011? everything is going as they said it would

 

[Finder]

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the size of the empire doesnt matter. what matters is the how long it lasted and what they were able to achieve. the mongol empire was short lived compared to the romans, byzantanium and the british empire. the romans acheieved many things that helps us today and dont forget the mayans and the aztecs. what other civ rips people hearts out on top of huge buildings and then lets the blood run down the temple? or what about the mayans theory that the human race was going to end in 2011? everything is going as they said it would

Byzantanium Empire in many way's was an extention of the Roman Empire. Really the byzantanies saw themselves as Roman's and the government and city was set up by the Romans and there was a clear line of emporers which started from the Roman empire as co-empirers and then those of the East and West. So really I would in many ways see Byzantanium, as the Roman Empire.


Anyhow I totally agree with you, that size isn't everything.

 

[unclepercy]

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And then there is the EMPIRE yet to come, very different
in its borderless way.

No one will agree with me, but this statement ties into my thinking that the American Empire is still a teenager. With what is yet to come, and considering how much it has accomplished in such a short time, the Americans may just come out on top.
This is not the appropriate time to judge, but when would be?

Uncle

 

[Finder]

Alexander the Great did so much and made one of the largest ancient empire's in our history... But his empire split up and went to war with one another soon after his death.

Napoleonic France had a large empire fast and lost it just as fast. Germany also gained a fast empire and we also know how that ended. Might = Right, hardly!

 

[jimmoyer]

Some empires are durable by not messing with
the indigenous culture, but only claiming its taxes
and requiring all to be a citizen and tolerant of
their fellow citizens.

 

[EagleSmack]

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I think the point was made earlier, but he's right, things didnt go the US's way until the other countries came in to help out, the problem here stems from America's version of history, as I say, I've spent a fair bit of time in america, they dont really have what most people would call a "world view" still.....how big was the persian empire, that was pretty vast.

oh yeah, just a quirky thing, I went to mount rushmore and would you believe they were selling "know ur president" packs of cards!!...I asked the woman at the desk if they were like the Al-queda deck lol

We also know a lot more than is given credit. There is no doubt that Fench intervention in the American Revolution hastened the US victory over England. But it was more so the threat to the British Isles themselves from France that forced the British to be hesitant with putting a larger force in the colonies. Also during that time the British also used Hessians, Indians and attempted to recruit Russians to fight in the colonies. So the British had help as well.

 

[Finder]

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Some empires are durable by not messing with
the indigenous culture, but only claiming its taxes
and requiring all to be a citizen and tolerant of
their fellow citizens.

Actually you have the point there. Before the development of Nationalism, or at least it's wide spread use of, there wasn't really any nation states and most states were ruled by rulers not of the ethnic magority. *shrugs* So really most people (ie the peasents) didn't care who ruled them and feadual lords didn't really care as long as they ruled as kings over there fiefs and well, you have a point. At least for everywhere except for the Eastern Roman Empire from 600ad-1700ad

 

[jimmoyer]

The Roman Empire, Alexander's empire, and Genghis
Khan's empire all let the indigenous culture go unimpeded except for taxes, except for citizenship,
except for requiring tolerance of fellow citizens.

 

[Finder]

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The Roman Empire, Alexander's empire, and Genghis
Khan's empire all let the indigenous culture go unimpeded except for taxes, except for citizenship,
except for requiring tolerance of fellow citizens.

Well they say the Eastern Roman Empire was developing nationalism and was most likely one of the first modern nation states, or at least almost. Except it feel to the Ottoman empire. *sighs*.

Though historians now have an argument that the spark of the renaissance which lead to the enlightenment, which lead to the american and french revolutions which lead to the indestrial revolution which all helped the development of the liberal nation state (liberal being the old term of liberal) came from the fall of the Eastern Empire and the dispersal of byzantine refugees.

So again you are also part right because in both the Western and Roman Empire there was a degree of "Romanization" accepted by the defeated peoples.

 

[jimmoyer]

Ever see Lawrence Of Arabia --- the movie?

Remember how the Ottoman Turks made Peter O'Toole
bend over ?

Perhaps the Ottoman Empire would be laughing it's ass
off at Brokeback Mountain, and maybe before they
made Lawrence bend over, they would have forced
him to watch Brokeback Mountain ???

Time Warp Alert !!

Outer Limits Alert !!!

Oy veh !!

I'm dizzy.

 

[cortez]

easy
the spanish empire
do the research yourself
but unpleasant sideffect
set the anglosaxons on a jealous rampage from which they have not yet settled down
recent incarnation gw and his type
they will rule or nuke us all even latvia

yet this is all part of the master plan

 

[Daz_Hockey]

you are kidding yourself if you think America beat the british (yes british, would you stop using the word english and british exchangably, it makes us so mad, do some reading) without the help of almost the entire "european union" against them, it has been proven, documents state that europe wanted to stop a rising global power in the british (yes it was King Charles who instigated the act of union, and he was scottish).

Ok, it's highly dependant oh WHERE you go in the US as to what they think and know of the world, and to an "outsider" not an american, they tend to be stuck in a virtual bubble, for example Hurricane katrina was going on when I was in the us, fund raising was going on everywhere, and you virtually did NOTHING for the victims of the east asian tsunami....kyoto agreements, IRA terrorists who have caused more deaths than Bin Laden & co and what do you do?...fund em.

yes, the truth is, most of the world, after 9/11 said, ok terrorism, big deal, so you've taken......finally, what the rest of us have had to put up with for a very long time, welcome to the real world.

It is not a generalisation, it is a fact, britian and my other of your so-called allies have been underepresented in this re-writing of history, but yet we take it, from U571 to Errol Flynn's single-handed taking of burma (when there wasnt a single american there), America claims to be a big friend of the UK and the rest then, virtually at every stage tries to undermine us or deny what is rightfully ours.

with friends like that who needs enemies.

 

[I think not]

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you are kidding yourself if you think America beat the british (yes british, would you stop using the word english and british exchangably, it makes us so mad, do some reading) without the help of almost the entire "european union" against them, it has been proven, documents state that europe wanted to stop a rising global power in the british (yes it was King Charles who instigated the act of union, and he was scottish).

If I had any idea what you were trying to convey here I would respond.

Ok, it's highly dependant oh WHERE you go in the US as to what they think and know of the world, and to an "outsider" not an american, they tend to be stuck in a virtual bubble, for example Hurricane katrina was going on when I was in the us, fund raising was going on everywhere, and you virtually did NOTHING for the victims of the east asian tsunami....kyoto agreements, IRA terrorists who have caused more deaths than Bin Laden & co and what do you do?...fund em.

You have no idea what you are talking about if you think no aid was given for the tsunami, I think it's you who lives in a bubble. But that's the European view of a "world view" isn't it? You take notice what goes on in Europe and you consider yourselves the world. Kyoto is a money transfer scheme, I agree 100% not to be a part of it, the only two countries that have actually made any progress with Kyoto is the UK and Germany, everybody else is way behind. And it's the Irish in New York who sent money to the IRA, you know the Irish? The ones you have been beating for that last 1000 or so years?

yes, the truth is, most of the world, after 9/11 said, ok terrorism, big deal, so you've taken......finally, what the rest of us have had to put up with for a very long time, welcome to the real world.

And that just makes everything just fine and dandy now because the Americans got what they deserved, right? I'm curious, was it also a "big deal" for the Brits that got killed that day? Or are you just used to it?

It is not a generalisation, it is a fact, britian and my other of your so-called allies have been underepresented in this re-writing of history, but yet we take it, from U571 to Errol Flynn's single-handed taking of burma (when there wasnt a single american there), America claims to be a big friend of the UK and the rest then, virtually at every stage tries to undermine us or deny what is rightfully ours.

What is rightfully yours? The conquests of the British Empire?

with friends like that who needs enemies.

I'm sure WC is rolling around in his grave right about now.

 

[Jay]

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you are kidding yourself if you think America beat the british (yes british, would you stop using the word english and british exchangably, it makes us so mad, do some reading) without the help of almost the entire "european union" against them, it has been proven, documents state that europe wanted to stop a rising global power in the british (yes it was King Charles who instigated the act of union, and he was scottish).

I think he means you didn't do it alone.

 

[Daz_Hockey]

Winston Churchill & Margret Thatcher were very pro-American, (which I do appologise, I get a bit carried away, but it's kinda personal to me, my uncle died in the tsunami, my friend died in the 7/7 bombings and the head of my football club was blown up by the IRA).

you have to think though, would winston Churchill be so pro-american if his mother wasnt an American?...Margret Thatcher was a strange woman, a war-like throw back if you ask me.

BUT.......you have to realise that, to many, america's "help" seems to consist of what looks like an over-zealous nutjob who wants to take over everything and claim all the credit for themselves, what was that phrase during the '40's? "Over paid, over sexed and over here".

no offence, but it get's annoying

 

[Jay]

"no offence, but it get's annoying "


Don't worry....Brits have a tendency to hold themselves on a high pedestal too. Where do you think Americans get it from?

 

[I think not]

Do what alone? The American Revolution? We've been down this road before, he can read "Iron Tears" from a British point of view. Once he reads that, we can chat again, or he can remain in his own view. Eaglesmack suggested the book and I read it, very good book from a the "other side"

 

[I think not]

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Winston Churchill & Margret Thatcher were very pro-American, (which I do appologise, I get a bit carried away, but it's kinda personal to me, my uncle died in the tsunami, my friend died in the 7/7 bombings and the head of my football club was blown up by the IRA).

you have to think though, would winston Churchill be so pro-american if his mother wasnt an American?...Margret Thatcher was a strange woman, a war-like throw back if you ask me.

BUT.......you have to realise that, to many, america's "help" seems to consist of what looks like an over-zealous nutjob who wants to take over everything and claim all the credit for themselves, what was that phrase during the '40's? "Over paid, over sexed and over here".

no offence, but it get's annoying

What gets annoying is how people misinterpret actions because they obviously have a bug up their ass, no offense but there it is.