Gorbachev: US dragging Russia into new Cold War, which might grow into armed conflict

Zipperfish

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It's intersting to see the Russian point of view on this. I'm not completely unsympathetic. I think we should be more more suspicious of outfits like the IMF than we are, and it's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that the west had their hand in the uprising once they realized that Yanukovych was switching sides to the Russians--in no small part due to IMF and EU austerity measures.

That said, the sympathy quickly dissipated when Putin unilaterally annexed Russia. Really, what did he expect. You do something that audacious, you are going to get a response--in this case, sanctions. Then there was the shooting down of the civilian aircraft. Despite substantial evidence that this airliner was shot down by anti-Ukraine rebel forces, the Russian media (and Russians generally) clung to this silly notion that the rebels didn't have anti-aircraft capability and/or it was actually the Ukraine government that shot the jet down in order to frame the Russians.

Bottom line for me is Putin is dangerous and must be contained.
 

Kreskin

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Never said it was better, however I do like some of their laws..

Russians can own and carry firearms, I like that public display of Homosexuality is illegal, personally I'm tired of the silly parades and flaunting... What one does in their bedrooms is their business, I don't need to know about it..

There is a few other things Canada should maybe learn from Russia ;)
Considering you risk life and limb over there by just trying to do things like buy a home you would be crazy not to carry one. There was a time not too long ago when the real estate conveyance process required a group of people just so the crooks didn't know who was carrying the cash.
 

darkbeaver

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It's intersting to see the Russian point of view on this. I'm not completely unsympathetic. I think we should be more more suspicious of outfits like the IMF than we are, and it's certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that the west had their hand in the uprising once they realized that Yanukovych was switching sides to the Russians--in no small part due to IMF and EU austerity measures.

That said, the sympathy quickly dissipated when Putin unilaterally annexed Russia. Really, what did he expect. You do something that audacious, you are going to get a response--in this case, sanctions. Then there was the shooting down of the civilian aircraft. Despite substantial evidence that this airliner was shot down by anti-Ukraine rebel forces, the Russian media (and Russians generally) clung to this silly notion that the rebels didn't have anti-aircraft capability and/or it was actually the Ukraine government that shot the jet down in order to frame the Russians.

Bottom line for me is Putin is dangerous and must be contained.

Link to that substantial evidence please. Your Russian conspiracy story and your use of the word silly places you in the official government tinfoil camp you also support the lunatic notion of AGW or AGCG and FITH to boot.

It's an RT article. Soviet propaganda.

The western propagandist complex is closer to your wallet by far than your Soviets though.


Putin is merely dangerous while a proven mass murderer like Obamalama barking dog licker is beyond suspicion.
 

petros

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Link to that substantial evidence please. Your Russian conspiracy story and your use of the word silly places you in the official government tinfoil camp you also support the lunatic notion of AGW or AGCG and FITH to boot.



The western propagandist complex is closer to your wallet by far than your Soviets though.


Putin is merely dangerous while a proven mass murderer like Obamalama barking dog licker is beyond suspicion.
I can sort through the BS just fine and I have no debt. Capitalism did me well.
 

Walter

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BHO and Mashed Potato Face(John Kerry) are too smart to have another cold war, just ask them. I mean, look at how they are handling the mid-east; no problems there..
 

WLDB

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BHO and Mashed Potato Face(John Kerry) are too smart to have another cold war, just ask them. I mean, look at how they are handling the mid-east; no problems there..

Not really theirs to handle. The west in general should just write the place off.
 

Angstrom

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Your statement is unsubstantiated speculation, just the kind of blunt resort to myth that marks the end of western protocivilization. How many times have you been dead sir?

Many times but I plan that this time around will be my last.
Hopefully I don't ever need to come back to this sh!t show