God sent the iron from heaven

[Dexter Sinister]

This has been stated in many ayat of the Quran...

I know, it's all over the Bible too, and a lot of other non-scriptural writings as well, it's a very common belief. Just because the Quran, or the BIble or any other sorurce, says so doesn't make it true. No doubt you believe otherwise. I said there's no evidence there's a next life, and there isn't, an unsubstantiated claim isn't evidence, at best it's just a postulate about the way some people--actually probably most people--want things to be, but that's not enough to justify accepting it as true. The number of people who believe something has nothing to do with whether or not it's true, facts aren't decided by their popularity, but by evidence. You haven't any.

 

[Torch light]

Almost, the atheist who denies God, of course, does not believe in the Next Life or the Afterlife or the Hereafter: the ethereal world of spirits and souls.

All people believe in death because they know everyone will die,
but we believe in the Unknown Future or the Unknown knowledge or the Unseen: in Arabic it the Al-Ghayb: it is that which is not present or seen.

So we believe in the Hereafter although it is unseen or invisible, and we believe in angels, in Paradise and Hell in spite we do not see them.

Certainly, most if not all people, saw or perceived something about this Al-Ghayb or the invisible or the Unknown Future, to be an argument against them:

I myself once heard some warning like the whispering in my ears about some unwanted situation, and I thank God for that He saved me from that bad situation.
and once I saw a genie; the same genie was seen later on by another colleague who came after me to reside in the same house of doctors, a few years later... this I told you before.

Many years ago, in my youth, I was in a difficult situation, and I saw two men walking in front of me, and one of them asked the other who answered him, and they gave, in summary, the solution to my own problem. Then when I wanted to pursue them to know who they were, they disappeared and I could not see them anymore (I think they were two angels in the form of 2 gentlemen carrying their briefcases like those of lawyers, one of them was almost shorter and the other longer.) I thank God for that He guided me and I took their advice and knew the correct behavior.

God - be glorified - made this world of spirits invisible to us to know who believes in Him and who obeys Him in private in the absence of other people.

We are not materialistic, but we believe in God alone as One God Who sees and hears and knows everything, the Creator Who provided for us and offered to us His bounties and we thank Him and glorify Him, in spite of that the atheist and the disbeliever denies or does not agree.

Quran 27: 4-5, which mean:
(4. Those who do not believe in the Next Life: We make their deeds fair-seeming to them a; thus, they keep up blundering about [with their disbelief.]
5. These will have the most grievous punishment [because of their wrong-doing and disbelief] and will be the greatest losers in the Next Life. b)
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4 a i.e. We leave them to Satan who makes their deeds fair seeming to them.
The meaning: Our guidance has not included them because they are wrong-doers: they wrong people and plunder their rights.

5 b Because they choose disgrace instead of the good reputation, and Fire instead of Paradise.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/27.htm#a27_4

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Delusions and hallucinations aren't evidence either.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Delusions and hallucinations aren't evidence either.

I always figured St. John got hold of some baaaad kimche.

 

[Torch light]

Delusions and hallucinations aren't evidence either.

Not delusions or hallucinations.

What I told you about the genie; I told you in detail.
This was confirmed later on when I met one of my colleagues a few years later; he worked in the same city where I had worked before
When I told him about what I saw about the genie, he said "I saw the same one" and he described him to me; he settled in the same house near the hospital where I had resided before him.
He added: "I saw him looking in my face: into my eyes."
Another doctor giggled when I told him about this and said: "Yes, indeed, that doctor is nice-looking!"

One of his relatives came to visit them, he told me, coming from Baghdad, and the next day she fled from their house shouting: "I leave you to your genies; I will never return here."

I told you about what I saw, but of course, you disregard everything you don't like: unless your Dawkins tells you.

My story:
Once I went to serve in rural health, in a city called Heet in the western part of Iraq.
Some people said there are genies in this city. So while I hadn't seen any genie before, I prayed to God silently within myself without uttering any words (lest anyone might hear my words, and he might then make some trick.)
I prayed to God to show me those genies.
Afterward, one day, I was on call duty; all others went in their off-duty leave; I was sleeping alone, when I awoke in my bed to see some person looking sideways at the wall, not in my direction. He was broad and stout, brown to red in color, and firm in expression: not smiling.
So I thought to myself: Am I dreaming? So, I closed my eyes, then opened them slightly and I saw him still there in the same position.
Truly, I was afraid and did not speak to him any word, and thought better to sleep, and I slept and did not see him afterward.

This was what I saw, and I told Abu-Abdallah about him, and he asked me: "Has he feet or hoofs?"
I said: "I saw his upper part only which was above the level of the bed, and I did not see his legs."
He added: "Genies mostly look serious not smiling."
I said: "Is this one righteous or evil?"
He said: "I don't know."

And my story was confirmed a few years later by another doctor who saw the same genie as I told you.
That doctor told a sheikh in the city, who said to him: "These are Jewish genies: bastards."

 

[Torch light]

Delusions and hallucinations aren't evidence either.

Of course, you atheists are truthful! So tell me, without giving your explanation, just tell us what spiritual observations you saw in your lifetime.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I told you about what I saw, but of course, you disregard everything you don't like: unless your Dawkins tells you.

No, I disregard things that seem to me most unlikely to be true. You're claiming you've seen a genie (yes I remember you telling that story before), that god has whispered in your ear, and you've crossed paths with angels whose overheard conversation solved a problem for you. I don't doubt your sincerity, but I think you're deluded.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Of course, you atheists are truthful! So tell me, without giving your explanation, just tell us what spiritual observations you saw in your lifetime.

I've seen nothing in my life that I'd interpret that way.

 

[Torch light]

So what I saw, confirmed by others, you consider a delusion.

Another doctor was a resident with me in the health service in the same city and in the house for doctors: we were a group of doctors.
He later specialized in ophthalmology, he saw once when he was alone: a strange guy: a young one sleeping on his own bed, then when the doctor came to the room, that guy got out of bed and went out of the room without speaking any word, then when the doctor went after him, he did not find any trace of him.

 

[Torch light]

I've seen nothing in my life that I'd interpret that way.

I don't think that anyone did not see in his lifetime any strange observations, or he will not see.

 

[Torch light]

No, I disregard things that seem to me most unlikely to be true. You're claiming you've seen a genie (yes I remember you telling that story before),

that god has whispered in your ear,

I ask God's forgiveness; it was not God - be glorified - but it might be some angels to warn me according to God's mercy, and I remember very well: it started with a creaking sound like that of starting an old microphone.
So I was conscious and took heed and was saved from a disgracing situation.

and you've crossed paths with angels whose overheard conversation solved a problem for you.

I was in a dilemma, and I cannot tell others about my personal things; I say this only to confirm the spirit world.
I was in a crowded street: these two gentlemen walked before me; they spoke to each other, but their words came very clearly to my hearing; they described my problem in summary, none knew that. And I could not pursue them: they disappeared from my sight after they gave me the solution of my problem.

 

[Torch light]

An engineer named Hassan told me: he went to buy meat from a butcher from whom he used to buy meat every time; when he reached the shop of the butcher, he heard in his ear someone telling him: "HASSAN! Cross [the street.} Hassan, cross the street!" So he was surprised, and went to cross the street; the butcher shouted at him"Where are you going?" He said: "I'll buy some burgers and come to you later."
He did not complete crossing the street when an explosion happened which blew him to the opposite shops, while the shop of the butcher and other neighboring shops were completely destroyed and the butcher and those near him were victims.

 

[Torch light]

Therefore, we now return to our question: Did God send the iron from the sky?
The answer: Yes, God sent the iron in its pure form included in the meteorites, which was not in its oxide form or in other compounds.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/57.htm#a57_25

 

[Dexter Sinister]

They're not pure iron, they're a nickel-iron alloy. Nickel is always present, in amounts ranging from around 5% to 25% of the total mass, cobalt is often present as well, and sulfides and carbonates of those metals are common too.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Before Petros corrrects me, that should be carbides, not carbonates, there's no oxygen in them.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Before Petros corrrects me, that should be carbides, not carbonates, there's no oxygen in them.

Good thing you apologized to carbides. They got a union now!

 

[Torch light]

They're not pure iron, they're a nickel-iron alloy. Nickel is always present, in amounts ranging from around 5% to 25% of the total mass, cobalt is often present as well, and sulfides and carbonates of those metals are common too.

Sometimes they are iron, another time they are nickel and still another time a nickel-iron alloy

 

[Torch light]

The word "nickel" was not known to people and not in use; the element was not known to people at that time; so if you tell them about 'nickel' it will be non-sense.
Moreover, the nickel as an element is very much related to iron like its twin if I can describe it this way, and it has similar uses by people like making tools.

And instead of admiring the Quran and what it includes of marvels, you strive to disprove it and find some points against it.

However, you and Petros strive to disprove the Quran the great word of God Almighty, and you dare and do not fear Him and His threats to those who try to disprove His words and to disable Him and His messengers.. and that He will punish them severely in the life of the World and in the Afterlife by setting the wasps and scorpions on their souls.

Quran 34: 4, which means:
(But those who work to [void] Our revelations so as to frustrate [Us]; there will be for them a chastisement of painful wrath [in the Next Life h.])
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h i.e. they will have a painful chastisement: wasps and scorpions to sting them in the Barzakh world [or the Afterlife.]
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/34.htm#a34_4

Quran 34: 38, which means:
(And those who work to [void] Our revelations so as to frustrate [Our prophets d ]; such will be given over into the [lasting] doom e .)
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d i.e. opposing them, denying their words; they aim from this to disable them from carrying out the mission.
e Continuously, they will never be absent from it.
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/34.htm#a34_38

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

The word "nickel" was not known to people and not in use; the element was not known to people at that time; so if you tell them about 'nickel' it will be non-sense.
Moreover, the nickel as an element is very much related to iron like its twin if I can describe it this way, and it has similar uses by people like making tools.

And instead of admiring the Quran and what it includes of marvels, you strive to disprove it and find some points against it.

However, you and Petros strive to disprove the Quran the great word of God Almighty, and you dare and do not fear Him and His threats to those who try to disprove His words and to disable Him and His messengers.. and that He will punish them severely in the life of the World and in the Afterlife by setting the wasps and scorpions on their souls.

Quran 34: 4, which means:
(But those who work to [void] Our revelations so as to frustrate [Us]; there will be for them a chastisement of painful wrath [in the Next Life h.])
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h i.e. they will have a painful chastisement: wasps and scorpions to sting them in the Barzakh world [or the Afterlife.]
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/34.htm#a34_4

Quran 34: 38, which means:
(And those who work to [void] Our revelations so as to frustrate [Our prophets d ]; such will be given over into the [lasting] doom e .)
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d i.e. opposing them, denying their words; they aim from this to disable them from carrying out the mission.
e Continuously, they will never be absent from it.
http://quran-ayat.com/pret/34.htm#a34_38

So Allah didn't know about nickel when Muhammad scribbled the Quran?

 

[Torch light]

So Allah didn't know about nickel when Muhammad scribbled the Quran?

God or Allah knows everything, and Mohammed did not write or read: he was illiterate.
But people did not know the word Nickel at that time, and the Quran is correct by telling the iron came down from the sky.