God is Just and Remembers

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In elaborating on “the things that have to do with salvation”, the apostle Paul exhorts:

“God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love your have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them. We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, so that what you hope for may be fully realized” (Hebrews 6:10-11, New International Version).

The principle of experiencing the support of God in supporting God’s people is expressed to Abram in the opening book of the Bible: “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you” (Genesis 12:3).

As the policies of the current administration in Washington D. C. reflect support for God’s people at home and abroad, what hope will be fully realized by those who love and help the people of God?
 

Motar

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As the policies of the current administration in Washington D. C. reflect support for God’s people at home and abroad, what hope will be fully realized by those who love and help the people of God?

Every warrior’s boot used in battle and every garment rolled in blood will be destined for burning, will be fuel for the fire. For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the greatness of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this” (Isaiah 9:5-7)

The hope of peace through the government of Christ.
 

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Dexter Sinister

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“God is not unjust..."
Yes he is. God in the Old Testament is one of the most unpleasant characters to be found anywhere in literature: arbitrary, jealous, spiteful, a mass murderer, and worse, and apparently proud of it. He doesn't appear as himself in the New Testament that I can recall, he's shifted his modus from direct personal intervention to working through messengers, but most of them really aren't much better. Paul, for instance, appears to have hated and feared women, an aspect of Christianity that's caused untold suffering and oppression for over half the population for almost two millennia.
As the policies of the current administration in Washington D. C. reflect support for God’s people...
Seriously? You're a Trump supporter? If so, I am appalled. How any woman professing to be a Christian could support that jumped up ogre is beyond me.
 

Motar

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Yes he is. God in the Old Testament is one of the most unpleasant characters to be found anywhere in literature: arbitrary, jealous, spiteful, a mass murderer, and worse, and apparently proud of it. He doesn't appear as himself in the New Testament that I can recall, he's shifted his modus from direct personal intervention to working through messengers, but most of them really aren't much better. Paul, for instance, appears to have hated and feared women, an aspect of Christianity that's caused untold suffering and oppression for over half the population for almost two millennia. Seriously? You're a Trump supporter? If so, I am appalled. How any woman professing to be a Christian could support that jumped up ogre is beyond me.

Your thoughtful responses are a tremendous blessing and encouragement to me, Dex. You actually read my posts, digest and respond to the content. I sincerely appreciate and benefit from these discussions.
 

Motar

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How do you feel about the justice dispensed by the SCOTUS?
 
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Cliffy

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The world is literally your mirror, enabling you to experience in the physical plane what you hold as your truth.....until you change it.
 

Dexter Sinister

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How do you feel about the justice dispensed by the SCOTUS?
Don't think I'm familiar enough with enough of it to have an opinion. I will, however, offer the opinion that I don't think justice and the legal system have much to do with each other. What's legal and what's just aren't the same thing, and courts don't dispense justice, they interpret the law, sometimes quite unjustly.
 

Motar

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What's legal and what's just aren't the same thing, and courts don't dispense justice, they interpret the law, sometimes quite unjustly.

Yes, this is true, Dex.

The Bible references justice 130 times, 30 of which are found in Isaiah.

“But the Lord Almighty will be exalted by his justice,
and the holy God will be proved holy by his righteous acts.“ (Isaiah 5:16)
 

Motar

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The world is literally your mirror, enabling you to experience in the physical plane what you hold as your truth.....until you change it.

That is an interesting philosophy, Cliffy. Here is another opinion:

“The world is not our mirror–the world is the world. The truth is we can never completely know the world, and the world was not created for our introspection or our personal growth. Introspection and personal growth are choices we make in response to life situations, and can be very helpful at times. But we should not confuse our choices for some Ultimate Truth.”

https://beyondgrowth.net/personal-development/the-world-is-not-your-mirror/
 

DaSleeper

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That is an interesting philosophy, Cliffy. Here is another opinion:

“The world is not our mirror–the world is the world. The truth is we can never completely know the world, and the world was not created for our introspection or our personal growth. Introspection and personal growth are choices we make in response to life situations, and can be very helpful at times. But we should not confuse our choices for some Ultimate Truth.”

https://beyondgrowth.net/personal-development/the-world-is-not-your-mirror/
You sound like a jehovah witness...
Is posting in a forum the same as going door to door in your religion?
To most people religious belief is a personal thing and they don't proselytize on line!
 

Dexter Sinister

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The world is literally your mirror, enabling you to experience in the physical plane what you hold as your truth.....until you change it.
Truth is a pretty slippery concept here. Seems to me that if your truth and my truth are not the same, then in some fundamental sense whatever's under discussion is not actually true for at least one of us, it's not objectively true in any sense, it's just a belief. To me, for something to be true means it's in accord with the facts, and would be the same for everybody. If by truth one means some transcendental ideal beyond the reach of logic or perception, which seems to be what a lot of people mean when they talk about The Truth (and sometimes you can hear the capital letters in their tone), I'd argue that there's no such thing. If something is true, it's true for everybody, and there's a clear body of evidence and reasoning that demonstrates it with sufficient force that it would be unreasonable to doubt it. Anything else is speculation, wishful thinking, philosophical musing, or something similar, or just plain old BS. It might well be interesting, amusing, challenging, to discuss such things, that's a common motive for me in my contributions to these forums and things that aren't I just don't bother with, but I don't think I'm talking about The Truth.
 
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DaSleeper

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That is why I avoid discussing religion even in real life ..... much less on line!
I leave these ramblings to philosophers and scholars.
My religious beliefs are personal and I don't impose them on anyone, not even family members...
 

Dexter Sinister

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I've always found that things are easier to make sense of if you don't overlay religious beliefs on them, that explains nothing, and in fact often strikes me as just avoiding an explanation. Don't understand something? Well then, god did it. That's a non-explanation, and the end of any sensible attempt to understand it, there's no place to go from there. I don't think it's useful to explain something complex and difficult to understand by invoking something even more complex and difficult to understand.

Especially when I think the latter is a fiction.