God Is Immortal But Not All Powerful Because He Can't Kill HImself lol

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I was watching a movie the other night, it was about a robbery of a cross in Moscow and there was plenty of murder going on. But not a bad show, a good drama.

In one scene, a crazy woman holding a gun and leading around two people engage in a discussion about G/god/s. they were discussing how Ggod is immortal and all powerful. The man says, "God is immortal, but can he kill himself? No, because he is immortal. He can't die." The superreligious fanatic is taken aback by this and has no answer. You know then the man is going to be shot soon.

So the Ggod idea is immortal, but not all powerful because then s/he could do anything, like kill her/himself. But once you kill yourself, you're not immortal. lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
 
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According to the Garden of Eden story, the snake was as powerful as God, since he was able to thwart God’s plans for the humankind.
 
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Being immortal God cannot taste death, (a painter is always apart from his own painted pictures.) that is why He killed His first and only Son. He sent Jesus to the grave, without that He could not preach to the dead, without that they would be as lost as fallen angels.
He even left us a copy of the 'plan' to get us back so obviously there was a plan. You just have no idea how good the plan really is. How does He put it, "gnashing of teeth" and "speaking in hisses (whispers)".

So if the suggestion that there was no plan is an error then the one who agrees that God has no plan is just as in error also.

What free-will is there when God has determined how things will go and what happens to the 'different groups' that He decides exist?

God has even hardened some hearts in the OT so they didn't give up before all events that needed to be done were done in whole.

If the snake was as powerful then it would not have subjected itself to the conditions that God explained. How long between the eating and His return would seem to be quite fast since not one word is said about that time other than they were aware of being naked.

That doesn't mean the snakes full powers (former arch-angel) would not impress us greatly. Unfortunately it is usually shown as how to inflict damage to men. Wars being a favorite method, followed closely by starvation.

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Like any artist, it just painted a picture of the universe and went for a Scotch on the rocks. Hasn't given it much thought since it wrote the promotional brochure two thousand years ago.
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Just what should He be doing for us when He is 'away'?
Ac:1:11:
Which also said,
Ye men of Galilee,
why stand ye gazing up into heaven?
this same Jesus,
which is taken up from you into heaven,
shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
 
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Mhz,

I realize it all makes perfect sense to you. It doesn't to me and many others. I choose to find perfect sense in other places, writings, teachings and, most importantly, my own personal experiences in life. That that doesn't make any sense to you is of no concern of mine, as my beliefs should be of no concern of yours. Continuing to try to prove what you believe is true by regurgitating the babble in the bible to those who you know think it is a bunch of nonsense does kinda make you look a little foolish.

If you are right, you can gloat on your cloud in heaven at all us foolish unbelievers frying in the lake. You could even lean over the edge of your cloud a shout, "I told you so!". But the boss might get POd at you for your arrogance and send you down to join us, so I guess that might not work for you. I really do hope that you have not wasted your life and that you get the reward you think you deserve for your biblical diligence. I know I am going where I think I will.
 
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Cliffy said:
If you are right, you can gloat on your cloud in heaven at all us foolish unbelievers frying in the lake. You could even lean over the edge of your cloud a shout, "I told you so!".
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You keep amazing me with your 'version' of what you see Scripture as saying.
That is almost as amazing as you getting what I have been saying totally backwards. Nobody can be that dense, so your attitude must take some effort, that makes distortion of what I say and what Scripture says and agenda of yours, nothing benign about your words at all.
 
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MHz said:
You keep amazing me with your 'version' of what you see Scripture as saying.
That is almost as amazing as you getting what I have been saying totally backwards. Nobody can be that dense, so your attitude must take some effort, that makes distortion of what I say and what Scripture says and agenda of yours, nothing benign about your words at all.
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If I understood what you said, I might be inclined to respond. But I don't so I won't.
 
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dumpthemonarchy said:
I was watching a movie the other night, it was about a robbery of a cross in Moscow and there was plenty of murder going on. But not a bad show, a good drama.

In one scene, a crazy woman holding a gun and leading around two people engage in a discussion about G/god/s. they were discussing how Ggod is immortal and all powerful. The man says, "God is immortal, but can he kill himself? No, because he is immortal. He can't die." The superreligious fanatic is taken aback by this and has no answer. You know then the man is going to be shot soon.

So the Ggod idea is immortal, but not all powerful because then s/he could do anything, like kill her/himself. But once you kill yourself, you're not immortal. lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
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There is no contradiction with the idea of an all powerful God and immortal God. This God would simply be immortal as long as he decides otherwise.
 
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dumpthemonarchy said:
I was watching a movie the other night, it was about a robbery of a cross in Moscow and there was plenty of murder going on. But not a bad show, a good drama.

In one scene, a crazy woman holding a gun and leading around two people engage in a discussion about G/god/s. they were discussing how Ggod is immortal and all powerful. The man says, "God is immortal, but can he kill himself? No, because he is immortal. He can't die." The superreligious fanatic is taken aback by this and has no answer. You know then the man is going to be shot soon.

So the Ggod idea is immortal, but not all powerful because then s/he could do anything, like kill her/himself. But once you kill yourself, you're not immortal. lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
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If you are all powerful you can kill yourself and reinvent yourself within no time period.
 
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AnnaG said:
If you are all powerful you can kill yourself and reinvent yourself within no time period.
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I've done that. I have died several times - flat lined - and came back and reinvented myself. And I'm not remotely powerful, so anybody can do it.;-)
 
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Cliffy said:
I've done that. I have died several times - flat lined - and came back and reinvented myself. And I'm not remotely powerful, so anybody can do it.;-)
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That took time, I bet. An all-powerful being would be able to eliminate the time factor. lol
You're doing a good job at reinventing, IMO. ;)
 
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dumpthemonarchy said:
But killing yourself means you are dead, no longer in existence. Perhaps you would go to a place like purgatory, where those who are supposed to go to heaven have to suffer for a while. So you're not really "dead". But dead means dead.
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Not if you are the one making up the rules. In the universe nothing is gained and nothing is lost, just transformed. Nothing really dies. The body may cease to function but who is to say that the energy that animated it isn't still skulking about somewhere? When a car stops functioning, does the driver die? Dead doesn't necessarily mean gone and lost forever. It is all a matter of perspective because, in physics, matter is only perspective.
 
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If the car stops in the middle of a blizzard then the driver might very well die.
Now what fun would there be in knowing you are in a car that will never be found?

Whether you are are alive just before the sun goes nova it would matter little if you ended your life moments before you got melted by the sun. Your dust would be off and running, off to make a new star sometime in the far future. Whatever takes place you are not going to be writing home about it. Now an immortal could stay through it all and then move someplace with gentler weather. For fallen angels the melting stage is about how it stays eternally.
 
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Cliffy said:
I've done that. I have died several times - flat lined - and came back and reinvented myself. And I'm not remotely powerful, so anybody can do it.;-)
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So if the group took a vote that you should do it one more time .....you would?? lol
At some point you might want a tattoo over your heart that says "WHOA, do not resuscitate""
 
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