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The serpent in the garden was a dragon with its wings folded.

All angels saw how the universe and earth were created, when the ones that did not sin enter their promised new heaven they will be able to do what they witnessed when the universe and earth were created over the last 40B years or so. Their legacy is found in the oldest construction on the planet.


This guy is one of the netter ones for showing the changes in construction over a long period of time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmWum2RKwW0&list=PUOavg1FtdeuyUTLz3wmuIKQ
 

ShintoMale

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In 2018, only a primitive uneducated fool would still believe in an actual,literal Adam & Eve.
ROFL even that fairy story predates the Judaic story.



you are going on my ignore list since you cannot provide any credible researcher and archaeologists that claim Judaism copied paganism and instead respond with insults and put-downs
 

French Patriot

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God already Gave Adam dominion over the earth


Which was negated by Satan's God given power to deceive the whole world, which would include Adam.


If that was not so, then the temptation of Jesus during his fast would be a sham and lie.


I noted you above that you wanted proof of the Jews copying paganism. The first 10 min of this link does that for me.
I also saw a presentation of how the Sumerians had Jews copy their myths as a part of Jews learning how to write in cuneiform so as to be able to communicate better after Jews were returned to Israel. Unfortunately, I did not keep it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxmcA0ZbWa0&t=1s


Regards
DL
 

ShintoMale

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Which was negated by Satan's God given power to deceive the whole world, which would include Adam.
If that was not so, then the temptation of Jesus during his fast would be a sham and lie.
I noted you above that you wanted proof of the Jews copying paganism. The first 10 min of this link does that for me.
I also saw a presentation of how the Sumerians had Jews copy their myths as a part of Jews learning how to write in cuneiform so as to be able to communicate better after Jews were returned to Israel. Unfortunately, I did not keep it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxmcA0ZbWa0&t=1s
Regards
DL




Why is it that people say the ancient Sumerian tablets are similar to the book of Genesis? Why do people try to find relationships between these?

Question:

Why is it that people try to compare the ancient Sumerian tablets, saying that they are similar to the book of Genesis? Why is it that people try to relate those gods to the God in the Old Testament?

Answer:

It is difficult to judge the motives of people I have never met. I am sure that those who do this do so for a variety of reasons.

It is only natural that anthropologists, historians and those who study religion to look for parallels between the earliest docoments of the Old Testament and the Sumerian/Babylonian/Akkadian religions in Mesopotamia. Presumably, the book of Genesis has its roots in Mesopotamia from the early part of the second millennium BC. The parallels are not just a figment of the imaginations of scholars. The parallels between the Gilgamesh Epic and the Genesis flood story are really striking. Both have a universal flood coming on mankind. Both have a man building a large boat and saving his family and a number of animals on the boat. I am copying and pasting an article on the parallels between the Gilgamesh Epic and the Genesis flood account. The question naturally arises: Where did these obvious parallels arise? Did the Jews borrow their flood story from the Sumerians? Did both accounts arise from a common real event in the distant past? Might the Sumerians have borrowed their account from the Jews? The last option seems unlikely because there is evidence for the Gilgamesh Epic from before 2000 BC, but we cannot rule out that the ancestors of Abraham passed along the account we now have in Genesis.

So, good, honest, open-minded scholars and students of religion will look for parallels and comparisons between Judaism and Mesopotamian religion. When they do so, the differences are far more striking than the similarities, although some scholars do not agree with the rather obvious (at least to me!) fact. Mesopotamian relition was polytheistic. It had elements of ancient animism as well. It was "primitive" religion when compared to Judaism. Skeptical, non-believing scholars try to paint early Judaism as polytheistic, but there is no solid evidence for this. Judaism appears from its inception to be a fully developed monothism, with out all the superstitions of Mesopotamian religion and the fantastic (and unbelievable) stories of gods and their petty intrigues. The Genesis creation account is absolutely unique among all creation stories, both in its simplicity and in its scientific accuracy. To conclude that Judaism evolved from a nascent polytheism is speculation which is not justified by the Hebrew text of the Bible. Nevertheless it is not true to say that there is absolutely nothing in common between Judaism and Mesopotamian religion. Both were formed in the cultural context of Mesopotamia. Both were influenced by a massive flood.

The local religion of Mesopotamia finds its way into Genesis indirectly, for example when Laban chased Jacob down in an attempt to get back his household gods. In conclusion, it is not just skeptics and unbelievers who look for parallels between Sumerian religious ideas and customs and the book of Genesis. This is a potentially fruitful area of research for Bible believers as well. (do not forget the Q & A below with more details about the Gilgamesh Epic)

John Oakes, PhD

Question:

I recently viewed a documentary claiming that ancient tablets (older than OT manuscripts) were found in Iraq, telling a story almost identical to Noah’s… and that the soil there showed signs of an ancient flood as well (unlike the land around Mount Ararat). The final conclusion was that Israel received this "story" from the Babylonians while in captivity. Do you have any insight about this?

Answer:

The ancient tablets you refer to probably contained what is commonly known as the Gilgamesh Epic, although it is difficult for me to say for sure without seeing the source of the information you refer to. The Gilgamesh Epic was known to the ancient Sumerian and Babylonian cultures. The epic was almost certainly composed before 2000 BC. It has been estimated by some to be based on a tradition as old as 3000 BC. If one takes Abraham to be the father of the Jewish nation, as supported by the Bible, then one can assume that the Gilgamesh Epic is older than the written, Jewish version of the story which is found in the Bible, as Abraham died somewhere around 1850 BC.

There are significant similarities between the Gilgamesh epic and the flood account in Genesis, which seem to defy coincidence. For example, in Gilgamesh, a god speaks to a man Utnapishtim in a dream, telling him to constuct a boat because of a great flood which is coming. Although the stories are not identical (for example, when God spoke to Noah, it was not in a dream) there is obvious parallel to the biblical flood account. In the Gilgamesh Epic, Utnapishtum took his family, some friends as well as many animals on the boat. Again, one can see parallels but also differences in the accounts. To deny any possible common root to these two flood stories seems unrealistic.

There are two possibilities to explain this. One possibility is that the flood is an actual event, the memory of which was carried forward by the survivors, finding its way into both Gilgamesh and the biblical account. Another possibility is that one or the other was created first, and the other borrowed from it. Assuming the second possibility, the question becomes who borrowed from whom? Logically, one might assume that since the Gilgamesh Epic precedes the Bible account, at least in its written form, it was the source for the biblical story of the flood. From an historical or literary point of view, this is hard to disprove. However, if one can assume that the book of Genesis is inspired by God, then the idea of the Genesis flood account being borrowed from Gilgamesh does not work. There is a great wealth of evidence supporting the belief that the books of the Bible, and specifically the book of Genesis is indeed the inspired creation of God. Of course, much of that evidence is found at my web site, to include prophecies in Genesis which are fulfilled in Jesus (see my book From Shadow to Reality www.ipibooks.com), historical and archaeological accuracy of Genesis (Reasons For Belief www.ipibooks.com), and so forth.

If the Bible, and therefore Genesis, is indeed inspired by God, then the most likely conclusion is that Gilgamesh represents a tradition which goes all the way back to the actual flood which is recorded in Genesis, and that the account in Genesis, being inspired by God, is a separate, but much more accurate depiction of the actual events which occurred in this massive event as described in Genesis chapters 5-7. If this is the correct explanation, then the parallels between the accounts are due to the fact that they both describe the same, actual event, although with a different level of fidelity to the actual events. This is what I believe to be the case, but I leave it to you to decide for yourself. As to the Israelites receiving the story from the Neo-Babylonians while in captivity, I find this explanation very unlikely for a few reasons. First of all, the Gilgamesh Epic was around in the time of the first Babylonian Empire, about 1800 BC, not during the Neo-Babylonian Empire, under Nebuchadnezzar. Second of all, there is sufficient evidence, in my opinion, to conclude that the book of Genesis was written in essentially its final form well before the time of the captivity (586-538 BC). This would make the claim that it was borrowed from Neo-Babylonian sources not work.

John Oakes, PhD

http://evidenceforchristianity.org/...ople-try-to-find-relationships-between-these/
 

Gilgamesh

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The serpent in the garden was a dragon with its wings folded.

All angels saw how the universe and earth were created, when the ones that did not sin enter their promised new heaven they will be able to do what they witnessed when the universe and earth were created over the last 40B years or so. Their legacy is found in the oldest construction on the planet.


This guy is one of the netter ones for showing the changes in construction over a long period of time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmWum2RKwW0&list=PUOavg1FtdeuyUTLz3wmuIKQ
Actually it wasnt a dragon since dragons dont exist.

It was a Romulan badonkadonk flying moo cow.
 

Gilgamesh

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you are going on my ignore list since you cannot provide any credible researcher and archaeologists that claim Judaism copied paganism and instead respond with insults and put-downs
The internet and reading is your friend. Your ignorance and denial of Judaisms antecedents is quite amusing - and pathetic.

Please, please do put me on your 'ignore' list. ROFL.
 

Gilgamesh

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BTW originally I just told you to read on the subject.

That is not an insult or a put down.
 

Gilgamesh

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"Why is it that people say the ancient Sumerian tablets are similar to the book of Genesis? Why do people try to find relationships between these?

Question:

Why is it that people try to compare the ancient Sumerian tablets, saying that they are similar to the book of Genesis? Why is it that people try to relate those gods to the God in the Old Testament?"


Because they are, you ignoramus. Check it out. Next thing you will be wondering why people say Ireland is an island.

(Shaking head in wonder)
 

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you are going on my ignore list since you cannot provide any credible researcher and archaeologists that claim Judaism copied paganism and instead respond with insults and put-downs
There is a group around here that does the same. I've found they are all liars so you aren't missing much and that's a fact.
 

Gilgamesh

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There is a group around here that does the same. I've found they are all liars so you aren't missing much and that's a fact.
The group you are referring to are credible researchers. It is obvious why you wouldnt trust them.

I am a slow learner but I am finally going to have to accept the fact that this site is a home for the ignorant, the hate mongers, & the lunatics.
 

MHz

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The group you are referring to are credible researchers. It is obvious why you wouldnt trust them.

I am a slow learner but I am finally going to have to accept the fact that this site is a home for the ignorant, the hate mongers, & the lunatics.
You must have a link to show that, more likely that is your first lie in the post. Where did I use the term 'trust', perhaps the term 'predictable' is the best one to use. Ever notice the staggering amount of sanctions that are applied to the few nations that have escaped the clutches of the Jewish Bankers yet the people demand their leaders do not buckle. To show they are very vile people they howl to high heaven if they face any sanctions or boycotts.


How about you are just 'slow' and leave out the 'learn' part as all you do is cling to an ideology you latched onto sometime in the past. Considering you are void of any knowledge about what is written in the Bible your views have been adopted from what others have told you and then you failed to investigate that to verify it was sound advice. That leaves you gaining other rewards and seeing how much time you spend her I have to assume none of that worked out for you in any positive way.


You described the place as it already was before I made my first post. FF to today and the few remaining ones are 'quieter' but still holding onto the party line. go for it, your sudo owners are in a death spiral so your fate will be the same as theirs. In the history books and then, . . . nothing.




Have a peek into the black heart that is the core of capitalism.


The history of socialist construction
Prior to the 1917 revolution, Russia was a primitive, agrarian country. By 1936, after the completion of the Five-Year Plan, it was a world industrial power, surpassing every other country on the globe in terms of steel and tractor production. The barren Soviet countryside was lit up with electricity. The children of illiterate peasants across the Soviet Union grew up to be the scientists and engineers who first conquered outer space. The planned economy of the Soviet Union drastically improved the living standards of millions of people, bringing them running water, modern housing, guaranteed employment, and free education.
There is no contradiction between central planning and economic growth. In 1949, China had no steel industry. Today, more than half of all the world’s steel is produced in China’s government-controlled steel industry.
Cuba has wiped out illiteracy, and Cubans enjoy one of the highest life expectancies in Latin America.
People hold up images showing Fidel Castro, second from right, Venezuela’s late President Hugo Chavez, center, and Cuba’s revolutionary hero Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara, bottom left and right, during a May Day march in Revolution Square in Havana, Cuba, Wednesday, May 1, 2013. The image of Chavez carries the words in Spanish “Chavez : Our best friend.” (AP Photo/Ramon Espinosa)
When the Marxist-Leninist governments of Eastern Europe collapsed in the early 1990s, economists like Jeffrey Sachs of Columbia University, who can be counted among capitalism’s “true believers,” predicted rapid economic growth. Since the 1990s, conditions in what George W. Bush called the “New Europe” have becomefar worse than under socialism. The life expectancy has decreased and infant mortality has risen. Human and drug traffickers have set up shop. In endless polls, the people of Eastern Europe repeatedly say life was better before the defeat of Communism.
Russia’s recovery from the disaster of the 1990s has come about with the reorientation of the economy to one centered around public control of its oil and natural gas resources — much like Venezuela. The Putin government has also waged a crackdown on the small number of “oligarchs” who became wealthy after the demise of the Soviet Union. Once strong state to control the economy was re-established, Russia’s gross domestic product increased by 70 percent during the first eight years of Putin’s administration. From 2000 to 2008, poverty was cut in half, and incomes doubled.
Neoliberal capitalism has failed
It is only because these facts are simply off-limits in the American media and its discussions of socialism and capitalism that the distorted narrative about Venezuela’s current hardships are believed.

American media has perpetuated a cold-war induced false narrative on the nature of socialism.
When discussing the merits of capitalism and socialism, American media usually restricts the conversation to pointing out that socialist countries in the third world have lower living standards than the United States, a country widely identified with capitalism. Without any context or fair comparison, this alone is supposed to prove the inherent superiority of U.S.-style capitalism.
If the kind of neoliberal “free trade” advocated by U.S. corporations was the solution to global poverty, Mexico, a country long ago penetrated with the North American Free Trade Agreement, would be a shining example of development, not a mess of drug cartels and poverty. The same can be said for oil-rich countries like Nigeria, where exports are massive but the population remains in dire conditions.
The governments of Bangladesh, Honduras, Guatemala, Indonesia, and the Philippines have done everything they can to deregulate the market and accommodate Western ”investment.” Despite the promises of neoliberal theoreticians, their populations have not seen their lives substantially improve.
If one compares the more market-oriented economy of the U.S., not to countries in the global south attempting to develop with a planned economy, but to other Western countries with more social-democratic governments, the inferiority of the “free market” can also be revealed.
The U.S. is rated 43 in the world in terms of life expectancy, according to the CIA World Factbook. People live longer in Germany, Britain, Spain, France, Sweden, Australia, Italy, Iceland — basically, almost every other Western country. Statistics on the rate of infant mortality say approximately the same thing. National health care services along with greater job security and economic protections render much healthier populations.
Even as the social-democratic welfare states of Europe drift closer to the U.S. economic model with “austerity cuts,” the U.S. still lags behind them in terms of basic societal health. Western European countries with powerful unions, strong socialist and labor parties, and less punitive criminal justice systems tend to have healthier societies.
The American perception that socialism or government intervention automatically create poverty, while alaissez faire approach unleashes limitless prosperity, is simply incorrect. Despite the current hardships, this reality is reflected in the last two decades of Venezuela’s history.
A punishment vote, not a vote for capitalism
The artificially low oil prices have left the Venezuelan state cash-starved, prompting a crisis in the funding of the social programs that were key to strengthening the United Socialist Party.
It is odd that the mainstream press blames “socialism” for the food problems in Venezuela, when the food distributors remain in the hands of private corporations. As Venezuelan political analyst Jesus Silva told me recently: “Most food in Venezuela is imported by private companies, they ask for dollars subsidized by the government oil sales to do that; they rarely produce anything or invest their own money.”
According to Silva, the economic sanctions imposed on Venezuela by the U.S., in addition to the oil crisis, have made it more difficult for the Venezuelan government to pay the private food importing companies in U.S. dollars. In response, the food companies are “running general sabotage.”
“Venezuela’s economy depends on oil sales. Now that oil prices are dropping down, the challenge is to get other sources of economic income,” he explained. “Meanwhile, the opposition is garnering electoral support due to the current economic crisis.”
When the United Socialist Party and its aligned Patriotic Pole lost control of Parliament in December, many predicted the imminent collapse of the Bolivarian government. However, months have passed and this clearly has not taken place.
While a clear majority cast a voto castigo (“punishment vote”) in December, punishing the government for mismanaging the crisis, the Maduro administration has a solid core of socialist activists who remain loyal to the Bolivarian project. Across Venezuela, communes have been established. Leftist activists live together and work in cooperatives. Many of them are armed and organized in “Bolivarian Militias” to defend the revolution.
Even some of the loudest critics of the Venezuelan government admit that it has greatly improved the situation in the country, despite the current hardships.
In December, I spoke to Glen Martinez, a radio host in Caracas who voted for the opposition. He dismissed the notion that free market capitalism would ever return to Venezuela. As he explained, most of the people who voted against the United Socialist Party — himself included — are frustrated with the way the current crisis is being handled, but do not want a return to the neoliberal economic model of the 1999s.
He said the economic reforms established during the Chavez administration would never be reversed. “We are not the same people we were before 1999,” Martinez insisted.
The United Socialist Party is currently engaging in a massive re-orientation, hoping to sharpen its response to economic sabotage and strengthen the socialist direction of the revolution. There is also talk of massive reform in the way the government operates, in order to prevent the extreme examples of corruption and mismanagement that are causing frustration among the population.
The climate is being intensified by a number of recent political assassinations. Tensions continue to exist on Venezuela’s border with the U.S.-aligned government of Colombia. The solid base of socialist activists is not going to let revolution be overturned, and tensions continue to rise. The Maduro and the United Socialist Party’s main task is to hold Venezuela together, and not let the country escalate into a state of civil war.
https://www.mondialisation.ca/us-led-economic-war-not-socialism-is-tearing-venezuela-apart/5535633
 

Gilgamesh

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You must have a link to show that, more likely that is your first lie in the post. Where did I use the term 'trust', perhaps the term 'predictable' is the best one to use. Ever notice the staggering amount of sanctions that are applied to the few nations that have escaped the clutches of the Jewish Bankers yet the people demand their leaders do not buckle. To show they are very vile people they howl to high heaven if they face any sanctions or boycotts.


How about you are just 'slow' and leave out the 'learn' part as all you do is cling to an ideology you latched onto sometime in the past. Considering you are void of any knowledge about what is written in the Bible your views have been adopted from what others have told you and then you failed to investigate that to verify it was sound advice. That leaves you gaining other rewards and seeing how much time you spend her I have to assume none of that worked out for you in any positive way.


You described the place as it already was before I made my first post. FF to today and the few remaining ones are 'quieter' but still holding onto the party line. go for it, your sudo owners are in a death spiral so your fate will be the same as theirs. In the history books and then, . . . nothing.




Have a peek into the black heart that is the core of capitalism.


The history of socialist construction
Prior to the 1917 revolution, Russia was a primitive, agrarian country. By 1936, after the completion of the Five-Year Plan, it was a world industrial power, surpassing every other country on the globe in terms of steel and tractor production. The barren Soviet countryside was lit up with electricity. The children of illiterate peasants across the Soviet Union grew up to be the scientists and engineers who first conquered outer space. The planned economy of the Soviet Union drastically improved the living standards of millions of people, bringing them running water, modern housing, guaranteed employment, and free education.
There is no contradiction between central planning and economic growth. In 1949, China had no steel industry. Today, more than half of all the world’s steel is produced in China’s government-controlled steel industry.
Cuba has wiped out illiteracy, and Cubans enjoy one of the highest life expectancies in Latin America.
People hold up images showing Fidel Castro, second from right, Venezuela’s late President Hugo Chavez, center, and Cuba’s revolutionary hero Ernesto ‘Che’ Guevara, bottom left and right, during a May Day march in Revolution Square in Havana, Cuba, Wednesday, May 1, 2013. The image of Chavez carries the words in Spanish “Chavez : Our best friend.” (AP Photo/Ramon Espinosa)
When the Marxist-Leninist governments of Eastern Europe collapsed in the early 1990s, economists like Jeffrey Sachs of Columbia University, who can be counted among capitalism’s “true believers,” predicted rapid economic growth. Since the 1990s, conditions in what George W. Bush called the “New Europe” have becomefar worse than under socialism. The life expectancy has decreased and infant mortality has risen. Human and drug traffickers have set up shop. In endless polls, the people of Eastern Europe repeatedly say life was better before the defeat of Communism.
Russia’s recovery from the disaster of the 1990s has come about with the reorientation of the economy to one centered around public control of its oil and natural gas resources — much like Venezuela. The Putin government has also waged a crackdown on the small number of “oligarchs” who became wealthy after the demise of the Soviet Union. Once strong state to control the economy was re-established, Russia’s gross domestic product increased by 70 percent during the first eight years of Putin’s administration. From 2000 to 2008, poverty was cut in half, and incomes doubled.
Neoliberal capitalism has failed
It is only because these facts are simply off-limits in the American media and its discussions of socialism and capitalism that the distorted narrative about Venezuela’s current hardships are believed.

American media has perpetuated a cold-war induced false narrative on the nature of socialism.
When discussing the merits of capitalism and socialism, American media usually restricts the conversation to pointing out that socialist countries in the third world have lower living standards than the United States, a country widely identified with capitalism. Without any context or fair comparison, this alone is supposed to prove the inherent superiority of U.S.-style capitalism.
If the kind of neoliberal “free trade” advocated by U.S. corporations was the solution to global poverty, Mexico, a country long ago penetrated with the North American Free Trade Agreement, would be a shining example of development, not a mess of drug cartels and poverty. The same can be said for oil-rich countries like Nigeria, where exports are massive but the population remains in dire conditions.
The governments of Bangladesh, Honduras, Guatemala, Indonesia, and the Philippines have done everything they can to deregulate the market and accommodate Western ”investment.” Despite the promises of neoliberal theoreticians, their populations have not seen their lives substantially improve.
If one compares the more market-oriented economy of the U.S., not to countries in the global south attempting to develop with a planned economy, but to other Western countries with more social-democratic governments, the inferiority of the “free market” can also be revealed.
The U.S. is rated 43 in the world in terms of life expectancy, according to the CIA World Factbook. People live longer in Germany, Britain, Spain, France, Sweden, Australia, Italy, Iceland — basically, almost every other Western country. Statistics on the rate of infant mortality say approximately the same thing. National health care services along with greater job security and economic protections render much healthier populations.
Even as the social-democratic welfare states of Europe drift closer to the U.S. economic model with “austerity cuts,” the U.S. still lags behind them in terms of basic societal health. Western European countries with powerful unions, strong socialist and labor parties, and less punitive criminal justice systems tend to have healthier societies.
The American perception that socialism or government intervention automatically create poverty, while alaissez faire approach unleashes limitless prosperity, is simply incorrect. Despite the current hardships, this reality is reflected in the last two decades of Venezuela’s history.
A punishment vote, not a vote for capitalism
The artificially low oil prices have left the Venezuelan state cash-starved, prompting a crisis in the funding of the social programs that were key to strengthening the United Socialist Party.
It is odd that the mainstream press blames “socialism” for the food problems in Venezuela, when the food distributors remain in the hands of private corporations. As Venezuelan political analyst Jesus Silva told me recently: “Most food in Venezuela is imported by private companies, they ask for dollars subsidized by the government oil sales to do that; they rarely produce anything or invest their own money.”
According to Silva, the economic sanctions imposed on Venezuela by the U.S., in addition to the oil crisis, have made it more difficult for the Venezuelan government to pay the private food importing companies in U.S. dollars. In response, the food companies are “running general sabotage.”
“Venezuela’s economy depends on oil sales. Now that oil prices are dropping down, the challenge is to get other sources of economic income,” he explained. “Meanwhile, the opposition is garnering electoral support due to the current economic crisis.”
When the United Socialist Party and its aligned Patriotic Pole lost control of Parliament in December, many predicted the imminent collapse of the Bolivarian government. However, months have passed and this clearly has not taken place.
While a clear majority cast a voto castigo (“punishment vote”) in December, punishing the government for mismanaging the crisis, the Maduro administration has a solid core of socialist activists who remain loyal to the Bolivarian project. Across Venezuela, communes have been established. Leftist activists live together and work in cooperatives. Many of them are armed and organized in “Bolivarian Militias” to defend the revolution.
Even some of the loudest critics of the Venezuelan government admit that it has greatly improved the situation in the country, despite the current hardships.
In December, I spoke to Glen Martinez, a radio host in Caracas who voted for the opposition. He dismissed the notion that free market capitalism would ever return to Venezuela. As he explained, most of the people who voted against the United Socialist Party — himself included — are frustrated with the way the current crisis is being handled, but do not want a return to the neoliberal economic model of the 1999s.
He said the economic reforms established during the Chavez administration would never be reversed. “We are not the same people we were before 1999,” Martinez insisted.
The United Socialist Party is currently engaging in a massive re-orientation, hoping to sharpen its response to economic sabotage and strengthen the socialist direction of the revolution. There is also talk of massive reform in the way the government operates, in order to prevent the extreme examples of corruption and mismanagement that are causing frustration among the population.
The climate is being intensified by a number of recent political assassinations. Tensions continue to exist on Venezuela’s border with the U.S.-aligned government of Colombia. The solid base of socialist activists is not going to let revolution be overturned, and tensions continue to rise. The Maduro and the United Socialist Party’s main task is to hold Venezuela together, and not let the country escalate into a state of civil war.
https://www.mondialisation.ca/us-led-economic-war-not-socialism-is-tearing-venezuela-apart/5535633
You query ME about history when you are so ignorant as to not know how, and at what cost in innocent lives the USSR modernized. The Communists exterminated more of their own innocent citizens than even the Nazis managed during WWII. They kept slaughtering their citizens and milions more in Eastern Eorope until at least the 1960's.

From your equally ill informed religious posts, you win the ignorance championship by a mile.

First,re. the history and origin of Judaism. You deny the scholarship of the entire academic profession.

Next you seem to accuse the Jews of Medieval Europe, who were not even allowed access to schools, own property etc of killing 100,000,000 using the plague. That ignores the scientific facts regarding the origins and the mechanisms re. contagion of the plague . It would also mean the Jews had their own Dr.Evil using 20th century knowledge and technology.

Neat trick indeed.

I've said it before.

I mean no insult; get help. Your life must be a living Hell.

Good luck.
 

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From your equally ill informed religious posts, you win the ignorance championship by a mile.
You will find out why the first part is missing very soon. I admit what I say about the bible is not duplicated by anybody that I can link you to. That being said the version I can explain in some detail doesn't require the reader to be a believer as the story reads the same if God is real or the book is just very well written fiction.

Do the words, 'You are so far behind you think you are ahead.' mean anything to you in relation to this part of your post?


First,re. the history and origin of Judaism. You deny the scholarship of the entire academic profession.
The local collective, including you, should have a good handle on that yet sharing that info seems to be the least likely to happen than the 'most likely'. I find asking a question around here is useless as the information given, if any ever is, is bogus and highly selective as to how it fits in with a 'big picture'.

There was no need to know much about the history until the only trolls around here turned out to be Jews or Jewish supporters.

Next you seem to accuse the Jews of Medieval Europe, who were not even allowed access to schools, own property etc of killing 100,000,000 using the plague. That ignores the scientific facts regarding the origins and the mechanisms re. contagion of the plague . It would also mean the Jews had their own Dr.Evil using 20th century knowledge and technology.

You missed the total by 100M, if that is your version of events you might as well stop right there as it is an even bigger lie than what I cane get f4rom Jewish sources. Stay tuned as the names of some of the places need to be looked at a little closer if possible. That is politics rather than religion so it will be another thread as it is that long.

What I have recently learned has been posted and this place is the reason it became a topic in the first place. The facts aren't very flattering even though they are Heathen in nature the methods used lack any morals so any win will become a big loss for everybody involved.



Neat trick indeed.
I have several more that would be new to you. Ie in hindsight you ean into Edgar Casey on broadband and all you did was troll me the whole time; lol.


I've said it before.
Is the repeat for my benefit or yours. I do point by point reples, you are a constant troll or liar or both. The links show I'm know certain things, new or old doesn't matter, your opinionated posts show you are faking it all, so are the fuks that are your masters..


I mean no insult; get help. Your life must be a living Hell.

I can see how one honest person can make this place a living hell for some members. If liars (10 are no more powerful than one as they agree with one rather than they have the ability to add additional points)
Honest people do not need help as much as liars. perhaps you should solve that issue rather than focus on me and the traits you have no control over.

Here is an example of how fuked up you are. Adult children that have to move back home with their parents are mocked while only 100 years ago family units would have just made the home larger to accommodate a larger family and the infants had the benefit of people in their old age passing on what they have learned through their many years of trials and tribulations that are part of life in an imperfect world. Having the elite use those ties keeps them more united than a much larger population that has had their family unit wrecked just so that fragmentation would happen and that makes them more prone to accept the lies strangers tell them over what somebody that cares will say. One generation is all it takes to mess up the 100's of years that went into making that a reality.



Good luck.
Luck has nothing to do with it, nothing in my life is going to change, it will be the collective is left gnashing their teeth.
 

ShintoMale

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Hollywood's War On God (Full Movie)

Hollywood's War On God - This is the only full length version of this epic movie left on YouTube. Hurry and watch it while it's still up! This documentary it proves that Hollywood has been sneaking their satanic beliefs about Gnosticism into their content. Showing once for all that the Illuminati are indeed Gnostics seeking to brain wash the culture with their antichrist beliefs.

This film was produced by Good Fight Ministries. All credit goes to Good Fight Ministries


 

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The group you are referring to are credible researchers. It is obvious why you wouldnt trust them.

I am a slow learner but I am finally going to have to accept the fact that this site is a home for the ignorant, the hate mongers, & the lunatics.



I think the 80 / 20 rule applies here.


Regards
DL
 

French Patriot

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Hollywood's War On God (Full Movie)

Hollywood's War On God - This is the only full length version of this epic movie left on YouTube. Hurry and watch it while it's still up! This documentary it proves that Hollywood has been sneaking their satanic beliefs about Gnosticism into their content. Showing once for all that the Illuminati are indeed Gnostics seeking to brain wash the culture with their antichrist beliefs.

This film was produced by Good Fight Ministries. All credit goes to Good Fight Ministries




Credit for garbage. Not from me.


The main claim and point of conflict between Christianity and Gnostic Christianity is how we see Yahweh/Allah.


We see him as evil while Christians see him as good.


We see all genocidal gods as evil. How do you see genocidal gods? Good or evil?


Regards
DL
 

ShintoMale

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Credit for garbage. Not from me.
The main claim and point of conflict between Christianity and Gnostic Christianity is how we see Yahweh/Allah.
We see him as evil while Christians see him as good.
We see all genocidal gods as evil. How do you see genocidal gods? Good or evil?
Regards
DL
that's is an example of the occult theme of the law of inversion or the law of reversal. this is common in satanism/Luciferianism and the occult IN THE 1600S a man called Sabbatai Zevi claim to be a Jewish Messiah and advocated committing all kinds of sins to bring about the messianic age
you are proving my p[oint that the core of gnosticism is satan/devil worship





Most people have heard of Jesus Christ, considered the Messiah by Christians, and who lived 2000 years ago. But very few have ever heard of Sabbatai Zevi, who declared himself the Messiah in 1666. By proclaiming redemption was available through acts of sin, he amassed a following of over one million passionate believers, about half the world's Jewish population during the 17th century.

Although many Rabbis at the time considered him a heretic, his fame extended far and wide. Sabbatai's adherents planned to abolish many ritualistic observances, because, according to the Talmud, holy obligations would no longer apply in the Messianic time. Fasting days became days of feasting and rejoicing. Sabbateans encouraged and practiced sexual promiscuity, adultery, incest and religious orgies.

After Sabbati Zevi's death in 1676, his Kabbalist successor, Jacob Frank, expanded upon and continued his occult philosophy. Frankism, a religious movement of the 18th and 19th centuries, centered on his leadership, and his claim to be the reincarnation of the Messiah Sabbatai Zevi. He, like Zevi, would perform "strange acts" that violated traditional religious taboos, such as eating fats forbidden by Jewish dietary laws, ritual sacrifice, and promoting orgies and sexual immorality. He often slept with his followers, as well as his own daughter, while preaching a doctrine that the best way to imitate God was to cross every boundary, transgress every taboo, and mix the sacred with the profane. Hebrew University of Jerusalem Professor Gershom Scholem called Jacob Frank, "one of the most frightening phenomena in the whole of Jewish history".

Jacob Frank would eventually enter into an alliance formed by Adam Weishaupt and Meyer Amshel Rothschild called the Order of the Illuminati. The objectives of this organization was to undermine the world's religions and power structures, in an effort to usher in a utopian era of global communism, which they would covertly rule by their hidden hand: the New World Order.

Using secret societies, such as the Freemasons, their agenda has played itself out over the centuries, staying true to the script. The Illuminati handle opposition by a near total control of the world's media, academic opinion leaders, politicians and financiers. Still considered nothing more than theory to many, more and more people wake up each day to the possibility that this is not just a theory, but a terrifying Satanic conspiracy.