Global Warming: still the ‘Greatest Scam in History’

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Exactly and well put



What about deforesting as many natural reserves as possible? All those pesky trees, all plant life for that matter, eventually die and the decomposition releases toxic, planet-killing CO2.

Sure, while they are alive, they absorb CO2 (makes you wonder why the UN and Neil Young don't demand more trees etc are planted) but they are ground-zero for Armageddon.

CO2 is death, in fact, it's more virulent cousin Carbon should be outlawed (perhaps a series of bylaws might do the trick). Yes, Carbon in any of it's Armageddon-esque forms can be rounded-up and shot into space far, far away from Earth.

There would be a huge boost in lumber production if the CO2 was trucked into the forests and fed to the trees. I have experience with CO2 enrichment of gaged lab plants. We could kick start our economy, vacumme trucks roaming the suburbs sophisticated gas monitors onboard sucking up any and all CO2 fog encountered, millions back to work, happy trees, planet saved, what are we waiting for??????
 

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You are far braver than I... My understanding is that caged lab plants are far more vicious than a rabid wolverine backed into a corner... We will have to look into danger-pay for those hearty souls that take on this monumental, Armageddon-averting responsibility
 

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These warm CO2 nuts have done nothing for two decades while they try to figure out who gets screwded hardest paying for the grand exercise. It's time for them to F O and let small business handle and handle it done before they have their definitive research done or even contracted for or even written up in a thing called a plan. If you wanted your planet saved these would be the last people you'd think about.

You are far braver than I... My understanding is that caged lab plants are far more vicious than a rabid wolverine backed into a corner... We will have to look into danger-pay for those hearty souls that take on this monumental, Armageddon-averting responsibility

Armageddon CO2 Disposal --------------------1-666, 042,7777

The Waldos of this world, that's the goddamn problem.


You are far braver than I... My understanding is that caged lab plants are far more vicious than a rabid wolverine backed into a corner... We will have to look into danger-pay for those hearty souls that take on this monumental, Armageddon-averting responsibility

Yes of course but they're rooted in their pots and if you keep a safe distance, behind the orange line, they can't slap you with their limbs. We of course force them to eat the CO2.
 

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You should be in maketing Waldo. I figure you'd do real good at it especially in the thick TVin slices of the market. Yer dire warnings would stampede the money into canyons of suggested dispare where you could club it and bag it. You no doubt understand the terrible "over populati" on this burning planet. What saving of the atmosphere could five billion fewer natural producers have? Dog forbid such a thing. A small step perhaps.


The atmosphere is a pretty natural sink. All the spheres are.

and here I thought your question was meant seriously; excuse me for actually thinking you wanted a real discussion! Perhaps you might step-up and speak to the "dire warnings" you claim I've stated? You clearly bumbled your grand idea to capture "wildfire CO2 being released into the atmosphere... and no... the atmosphere, as you say, is NOT a sink. Perhaps you should read up on the carbon-cycle and come back with more knowledge based questions. But provide an accompanying notice to advise whether you're wanting a serious discuss or not, hey!
 

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and here I thought your question was meant seriously; excuse me for actually thinking you wanted a real discussion! Perhaps you might step-up and speak to the "dire warnings" you claim I've stated? You clearly bumbled your grand idea to capture "wildfire CO2 being released into the atmosphere... and no... the atmosphere, as you say, is NOT a sink. Perhaps you should read up on the carbon-cycle and come back with more knowledge based questions. But provide an accompanying notice to advise whether you're wanting a serious discuss or not, hey!

I am not about to tax your knowledge base with a question , sir.
 

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Climategate Five Years On

by Mark Steyn
December 2, 2014



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Judith Curry's post on "The Legacy of Climategate" reminds me that it's five years since the East Anglia emails were revealed to the world. ("Climategate", by the way, is a coinage of my old colleague James Delingpole. I preferred Warmergate, which was perhaps too cute to catch on.) Dr Curry writes:
Climategate lives on in the lawsuits than Michael Mann has filed against CEI, National Review Online, Rand Simberg, and Mark Steyn. For background, see these previous posts:

The lawsuit is related to the 'fraudulent hockey stick' that was illuminated by the Climategate emails. Climategate considerably broadened public awareness of the hockey stick and the associated controversies, making it an icon for concerns about climate science and scientists.
Indeed. My interminable lawsuit seems ever more like unfinished business from Climategate. For one thing, Mann himself insists - ever more fraudulently - that he was "exonerated" by the East Anglia investigations. He wasn't. I was amused in court last Tuesday to hear one of the judges correctly say that the defendants "take [the investigations] apart quite thoroughly in their reply brief". Nonetheless, the "fraudulent hockey stick" remains the defining image of the disturbing and unscientific behavior revealed by Climategate. Half a decade later, the world has moved on, and so has the climate, and Dr Mann is fighting for what's left of his relevance.
At any rate, here's what I had to say in my syndicated column five years ago. This piece is one of the "documents" Mann's lawyers requested in discovery. Dunno why. You can Google it in five seconds. As you'll see, I refer herein to "the fraud of Dr Mann's global-warming 'hockey stick' graph". He didn't sue that time:
My favorite moment in the Climategate/Climaquiddick scandal currently roiling the "climate change" racket was Stuart Varney's interview on Fox News with the actor Ed Begley Jr. — star of the 1980s medical drama St. Elsewhere but latterly better known, as is the fashion with members of the thespian community, as an "activist." He's currently in a competition with Bill Nye ("the Science Guy") to see who can have the lowest "carbon footprint." Pistols at dawn would seem the quickest way of resolving that one, but presumably you couldn't get a reality series out of it. Anyway, Ed was relaxed about the mountain of documents recently leaked from Britain's Climate Research Unit in which the world's leading climate-change warm-mongers e-mail each other back and forth on how to "hide the decline" and other interesting matters.
Nothing to worry about, folks. "We'll go down the path and see what happens in peer-reviewed studies," said Ed airily. "Those are the key words here, Stuart. 'Peer-reviewed studies.'"
Hang on. Could you say that again more slowly so I can write it down? Not to worry. Ed said it every 12 seconds, as if it were the magic charm that could make all the bad publicity go away. He wore an open-necked shirt, and, although I don't have a 76" inch HDTV, I wouldn't have been surprised to find a talismanic peer-reviewed amulet nestling in his chest hair for additional protection. "If these scientists have done something wrong, it will be found out and their peers will determine it," insisted Ed. "Don't get your information from me, folks, or any newscaster. Get it from people with Ph.D. after their names. 'Peer-reviewed studies is the key words. And if it comes out in peer-reviewed studies . . . "
Got it: Pier-reviewed studies. You stand on the pier and you notice the tide seems to be coming in a little higher than it used to and you wonder if it's something to do with incandescent light bulbs killing the polar bears? Is that how it works?
No, no, peer-reviewed studies. "Peer-reviewed studies. Go to Science magazine, folks. Go to Nature," babbled Ed. "Read peer-reviewed studies. That's all you need to do. Don't get it from you or me."
Look for the peer-reviewed label! And then just believe whatever it is they tell you!
The trouble with outsourcing your marbles to the peer-reviewed set is that, if you take away one single thing from the leaked documents, it's that the global warm-mongers have wholly corrupted the "peer-review" process. When it comes to promoting the impending ecopalypse, the Climate Research Unit is the nerve-center of the operation. The "science" of the CRU dominates the "science" behind the UN's IPCC, which dominates the "science" behind the Congressional cap-and-trade boondoggle, the upcoming Copenhagen shakindownen of the developed world, and the now routine phenomenon of leaders of advanced, prosperous societies talking like gibbering madmen escaped from the padded cell, whether it's President Obama promising to end the rise of the oceans or the Prince of Wales saying we only have 96 months left to save the planet.
But don't worry, it's all "peer-reviewed."
Here's what Phil Jones of the CRU and his colleague Michael Mann of Penn State mean by "peer review." When Climate Research published a paper dissenting from the Jones-Mann "consensus," Jones demanded that the journal "rid itself of this troublesome editor," and Mann advised that "we have to stop considering Climate Research as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers."
So much for Climate Research. When Geophysical Research Letters also showed signs of wandering off the "consensus" reservation, Dr. Tom Wigley ("one of the world's foremost experts on climate change") suggested they get the goods on its editor, Jim Saiers, and go to his bosses at the American Geophysical Union to "get him ousted." When another pair of troublesome dissenters emerge, Dr. Jones assured Dr. Mann, "I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"
Which in essence is what they did. The more frantically they talked up "peer review" as the only legitimate basis for criticism, the more assiduously they turned the process into what James Lewis calls the Chicago machine politics of international science. The headline in the Wall Street Journal Europe is unimproveable: "How To Forge A Consensus." Pressuring publishers, firing editors, blacklisting scientists: That's "peer review," climate-style.
The more their echo chamber shriveled, the more Mann and Jones insisted that they and only they represent the "peer-reviewed" "consensus." And gullible types like Ed Begley Jr. and Andrew Revkin of the New York Times fell for it hook, line, and tree-ring. The e-mails of "Andy" (as his CRU chums fondly know him) are especially pitiful. Confronted by serious questions from Stephen McIntyre, the dogged Ontario retiree whose Climate Audit website exposed the fraud of Dr. Mann's global-warming "hockey stick" graph), "Andy" writes to Dr. Mann to say not to worry, he's going to "cover" the story from a more oblique angle:
I'm going to blog on this as it relates to the value of the peer review process and not on the merits of the mcintyre et al attacks.
peer review, for all its imperfections, is where the herky-jerky process of knowledge building happens, would you agree?
And, amazingly, Dr. Mann does! "Re, your point at the end — you've taken the words out of my mouth."
And that's what Andrew Revkin did, week in, week out: He took the words out of Michael Mann's mouth and served them up to impressionable readers of the New York Times and opportunist politicians around the world champing at the bit to inaugurate a vast global regulatory body to confiscate trillions of dollars of your hard-earned wealth in the cause of "saving the planet" from an imaginary crisis concocted by a few dozen thuggish ideologues. If you fall for this after the revelations of the last week, you're as big a dupe as Begley or Revkin.
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" wondered Juvenal: Who watches the watchmen? But the beauty of the climate-change tree-ring circus is that you never need to ask "Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?" Mann peer-reviewed Jones, and Jones peer-reviewed Mann, and anyone who questioned their theories got exiled to the unwarmed wastes of Siberia. The "consensus" warm-mongers could have declared it only counts as "peer-reviewed" if it's published in Peer-Reviewed Studies published by Mann & Jones Publishing Inc (Peermate of the Month: Al Gore, reclining naked, draped in dead polar-bear fur, on a melting ice floe), and Ed Begley Jr. and "Andy" Revkin would still have wandered out glassy-eyed into the streets droning "Peer-reviewed studies. Cannot question. Peer-reviewed studies. The science is settled . . . "
Looking forward to Copenhagen, Herman Van Rumpoy, the new president of the European Union and an eager proponent of the ecopalypse, says 2009 is "the first year of global governance." Global government, huh? I wonder where you go to vote them out of office.
Hey, but don't worry, it'll all be "peer-reviewed."
~from Steyn's syndicated column, November 28th 2009.

http://www.steynonline.com/6692/climategate-five-years-on
 

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Climategate Five Years On

by Mark Steyn
December 2, 2014



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Judith Curry's post on "The Legacy of Climategate" reminds me that it's five years since the East Anglia emails were revealed to the world. ("Climategate", by the way, is a coinage of my old colleague James Delingpole. I preferred Warmergate, which was perhaps too cute to catch on.) Dr Curry writes:
Climategate lives on in the lawsuits than Michael Mann has filed against CEI, National Review Online, Rand Simberg, and Mark Steyn. For background, see these previous posts:

The lawsuit is related to the 'fraudulent hockey stick' that was illuminated by the Climategate emails. Climategate considerably broadened public awareness of the hockey stick and the associated controversies, making it an icon for concerns about climate science and scientists.
Indeed. My interminable lawsuit seems ever more like unfinished business from Climategate. For one thing, Mann himself insists - ever more fraudulently - that he was "exonerated" by the East Anglia investigations. He wasn't. I was amused in court last Tuesday to hear one of the judges correctly say that the defendants "take [the investigations] apart quite thoroughly in their reply brief". Nonetheless, the "fraudulent hockey stick" remains the defining image of the disturbing and unscientific behavior revealed by Climategate. Half a decade later, the world has moved on, and so has the climate, and Dr Mann is fighting for what's left of his relevance.
At any rate, here's what I had to say in my syndicated column five years ago. This piece is one of the "documents" Mann's lawyers requested in discovery. Dunno why. You can Google it in five seconds. As you'll see, I refer herein to "the fraud of Dr Mann's global-warming 'hockey stick' graph". He didn't sue that time:
My favorite moment in the Climategate/Climaquiddick scandal currently roiling the "climate change" racket was Stuart Varney's interview on Fox News with the actor Ed Begley Jr. — star of the 1980s medical drama St. Elsewhere but latterly better known, as is the fashion with members of the thespian community, as an "activist." He's currently in a competition with Bill Nye ("the Science Guy") to see who can have the lowest "carbon footprint." Pistols at dawn would seem the quickest way of resolving that one, but presumably you couldn't get a reality series out of it. Anyway, Ed was relaxed about the mountain of documents recently leaked from Britain's Climate Research Unit in which the world's leading climate-change warm-mongers e-mail each other back and forth on how to "hide the decline" and other interesting matters.
Nothing to worry about, folks. "We'll go down the path and see what happens in peer-reviewed studies," said Ed airily. "Those are the key words here, Stuart. 'Peer-reviewed studies.'"
Hang on. Could you say that again more slowly so I can write it down? Not to worry. Ed said it every 12 seconds, as if it were the magic charm that could make all the bad publicity go away. He wore an open-necked shirt, and, although I don't have a 76" inch HDTV, I wouldn't have been surprised to find a talismanic peer-reviewed amulet nestling in his chest hair for additional protection. "If these scientists have done something wrong, it will be found out and their peers will determine it," insisted Ed. "Don't get your information from me, folks, or any newscaster. Get it from people with Ph.D. after their names. 'Peer-reviewed studies is the key words. And if it comes out in peer-reviewed studies . . . "
Got it: Pier-reviewed studies. You stand on the pier and you notice the tide seems to be coming in a little higher than it used to and you wonder if it's something to do with incandescent light bulbs killing the polar bears? Is that how it works?
No, no, peer-reviewed studies. "Peer-reviewed studies. Go to Science magazine, folks. Go to Nature," babbled Ed. "Read peer-reviewed studies. That's all you need to do. Don't get it from you or me."
Look for the peer-reviewed label! And then just believe whatever it is they tell you!
The trouble with outsourcing your marbles to the peer-reviewed set is that, if you take away one single thing from the leaked documents, it's that the global warm-mongers have wholly corrupted the "peer-review" process. When it comes to promoting the impending ecopalypse, the Climate Research Unit is the nerve-center of the operation. The "science" of the CRU dominates the "science" behind the UN's IPCC, which dominates the "science" behind the Congressional cap-and-trade boondoggle, the upcoming Copenhagen shakindownen of the developed world, and the now routine phenomenon of leaders of advanced, prosperous societies talking like gibbering madmen escaped from the padded cell, whether it's President Obama promising to end the rise of the oceans or the Prince of Wales saying we only have 96 months left to save the planet.
But don't worry, it's all "peer-reviewed."
Here's what Phil Jones of the CRU and his colleague Michael Mann of Penn State mean by "peer review." When Climate Research published a paper dissenting from the Jones-Mann "consensus," Jones demanded that the journal "rid itself of this troublesome editor," and Mann advised that "we have to stop considering Climate Research as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers."
So much for Climate Research. When Geophysical Research Letters also showed signs of wandering off the "consensus" reservation, Dr. Tom Wigley ("one of the world's foremost experts on climate change") suggested they get the goods on its editor, Jim Saiers, and go to his bosses at the American Geophysical Union to "get him ousted." When another pair of troublesome dissenters emerge, Dr. Jones assured Dr. Mann, "I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"
Which in essence is what they did. The more frantically they talked up "peer review" as the only legitimate basis for criticism, the more assiduously they turned the process into what James Lewis calls the Chicago machine politics of international science. The headline in the Wall Street Journal Europe is unimproveable: "How To Forge A Consensus." Pressuring publishers, firing editors, blacklisting scientists: That's "peer review," climate-style.
The more their echo chamber shriveled, the more Mann and Jones insisted that they and only they represent the "peer-reviewed" "consensus." And gullible types like Ed Begley Jr. and Andrew Revkin of the New York Times fell for it hook, line, and tree-ring. The e-mails of "Andy" (as his CRU chums fondly know him) are especially pitiful. Confronted by serious questions from Stephen McIntyre, the dogged Ontario retiree whose Climate Audit website exposed the fraud of Dr. Mann's global-warming "hockey stick" graph), "Andy" writes to Dr. Mann to say not to worry, he's going to "cover" the story from a more oblique angle:
I'm going to blog on this as it relates to the value of the peer review process and not on the merits of the mcintyre et al attacks.
peer review, for all its imperfections, is where the herky-jerky process of knowledge building happens, would you agree?
And, amazingly, Dr. Mann does! "Re, your point at the end — you've taken the words out of my mouth."
And that's what Andrew Revkin did, week in, week out: He took the words out of Michael Mann's mouth and served them up to impressionable readers of the New York Times and opportunist politicians around the world champing at the bit to inaugurate a vast global regulatory body to confiscate trillions of dollars of your hard-earned wealth in the cause of "saving the planet" from an imaginary crisis concocted by a few dozen thuggish ideologues. If you fall for this after the revelations of the last week, you're as big a dupe as Begley or Revkin.
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" wondered Juvenal: Who watches the watchmen? But the beauty of the climate-change tree-ring circus is that you never need to ask "Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?" Mann peer-reviewed Jones, and Jones peer-reviewed Mann, and anyone who questioned their theories got exiled to the unwarmed wastes of Siberia. The "consensus" warm-mongers could have declared it only counts as "peer-reviewed" if it's published in Peer-Reviewed Studies published by Mann & Jones Publishing Inc (Peermate of the Month: Al Gore, reclining naked, draped in dead polar-bear fur, on a melting ice floe), and Ed Begley Jr. and "Andy" Revkin would still have wandered out glassy-eyed into the streets droning "Peer-reviewed studies. Cannot question. Peer-reviewed studies. The science is settled . . . "
Looking forward to Copenhagen, Herman Van Rumpoy, the new president of the European Union and an eager proponent of the ecopalypse, says 2009 is "the first year of global governance." Global government, huh? I wonder where you go to vote them out of office.
Hey, but don't worry, it'll all be "peer-reviewed."
~from Steyn's syndicated column, November 28th 2009.

Climategate Five Years On :: SteynOnline

Climate change racket! Finally the truth! Start the arrests!
 

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real scientists, Walter... real ones! Not your favoured kind of "(denier) blog scientists"





Yeah, when you are not willing to actually debate the theories, then it is not "science".

See the Steyn article below for a close look at "peer-reviewed" literature.

And explain the 18 year pause.......

 

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Yeah, when you are not willing to actually debate the theories, then it is not "science".

See the Steyn article below for a close look at "peer-reviewed" literature.

And explain the 18 year pause.......


He refuses to abandon the denier thingy. There's no science in him, he smells like CNN to me. Release the hounds.[/FONT]


CO2 makes plants, plants make pork chops. Off with his head, he's insinuating hisself into the food chain, he's selling solutions to a non problem.
 

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Climategate Five Years On

by Mark Steyn
December 2, 2014



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Judith Curry's post on "The Legacy of Climategate" reminds me that it's five years since the East Anglia emails were revealed to the world. ("Climategate", by the way, is a coinage of my old colleague James Delingpole. I preferred Warmergate, which was perhaps too cute to catch on.) Dr Curry writes:
Climategate lives on in the lawsuits than Michael Mann has filed against CEI, National Review Online, Rand Simberg, and Mark Steyn. For background, see these previous posts:

The lawsuit is related to the 'fraudulent hockey stick' that was illuminated by the Climategate emails. Climategate considerably broadened public awareness of the hockey stick and the associated controversies, making it an icon for concerns about climate science and scientists.
Indeed. My interminable lawsuit seems ever more like unfinished business from Climategate. For one thing, Mann himself insists - ever more fraudulently - that he was "exonerated" by the East Anglia investigations. He wasn't. I was amused in court last Tuesday to hear one of the judges correctly say that the defendants "take [the investigations] apart quite thoroughly in their reply brief". Nonetheless, the "fraudulent hockey stick" remains the defining image of the disturbing and unscientific behavior revealed by Climategate. Half a decade later, the world has moved on, and so has the climate, and Dr Mann is fighting for what's left of his relevance.
At any rate, here's what I had to say in my syndicated column five years ago. This piece is one of the "documents" Mann's lawyers requested in discovery. Dunno why. You can Google it in five seconds. As you'll see, I refer herein to "the fraud of Dr Mann's global-warming 'hockey stick' graph". He didn't sue that time:
My favorite moment in the Climategate/Climaquiddick scandal currently roiling the "climate change" racket was Stuart Varney's interview on Fox News with the actor Ed Begley Jr. — star of the 1980s medical drama St. Elsewhere but latterly better known, as is the fashion with members of the thespian community, as an "activist." He's currently in a competition with Bill Nye ("the Science Guy") to see who can have the lowest "carbon footprint." Pistols at dawn would seem the quickest way of resolving that one, but presumably you couldn't get a reality series out of it. Anyway, Ed was relaxed about the mountain of documents recently leaked from Britain's Climate Research Unit in which the world's leading climate-change warm-mongers e-mail each other back and forth on how to "hide the decline" and other interesting matters.
Nothing to worry about, folks. "We'll go down the path and see what happens in peer-reviewed studies," said Ed airily. "Those are the key words here, Stuart. 'Peer-reviewed studies.'"
Hang on. Could you say that again more slowly so I can write it down? Not to worry. Ed said it every 12 seconds, as if it were the magic charm that could make all the bad publicity go away. He wore an open-necked shirt, and, although I don't have a 76" inch HDTV, I wouldn't have been surprised to find a talismanic peer-reviewed amulet nestling in his chest hair for additional protection. "If these scientists have done something wrong, it will be found out and their peers will determine it," insisted Ed. "Don't get your information from me, folks, or any newscaster. Get it from people with Ph.D. after their names. 'Peer-reviewed studies is the key words. And if it comes out in peer-reviewed studies . . . "
Got it: Pier-reviewed studies. You stand on the pier and you notice the tide seems to be coming in a little higher than it used to and you wonder if it's something to do with incandescent light bulbs killing the polar bears? Is that how it works?
No, no, peer-reviewed studies. "Peer-reviewed studies. Go to Science magazine, folks. Go to Nature," babbled Ed. "Read peer-reviewed studies. That's all you need to do. Don't get it from you or me."
Look for the peer-reviewed label! And then just believe whatever it is they tell you!
The trouble with outsourcing your marbles to the peer-reviewed set is that, if you take away one single thing from the leaked documents, it's that the global warm-mongers have wholly corrupted the "peer-review" process. When it comes to promoting the impending ecopalypse, the Climate Research Unit is the nerve-center of the operation. The "science" of the CRU dominates the "science" behind the UN's IPCC, which dominates the "science" behind the Congressional cap-and-trade boondoggle, the upcoming Copenhagen shakindownen of the developed world, and the now routine phenomenon of leaders of advanced, prosperous societies talking like gibbering madmen escaped from the padded cell, whether it's President Obama promising to end the rise of the oceans or the Prince of Wales saying we only have 96 months left to save the planet.
But don't worry, it's all "peer-reviewed."
Here's what Phil Jones of the CRU and his colleague Michael Mann of Penn State mean by "peer review." When Climate Research published a paper dissenting from the Jones-Mann "consensus," Jones demanded that the journal "rid itself of this troublesome editor," and Mann advised that "we have to stop considering Climate Research as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers."
So much for Climate Research. When Geophysical Research Letters also showed signs of wandering off the "consensus" reservation, Dr. Tom Wigley ("one of the world's foremost experts on climate change") suggested they get the goods on its editor, Jim Saiers, and go to his bosses at the American Geophysical Union to "get him ousted." When another pair of troublesome dissenters emerge, Dr. Jones assured Dr. Mann, "I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"
Which in essence is what they did. The more frantically they talked up "peer review" as the only legitimate basis for criticism, the more assiduously they turned the process into what James Lewis calls the Chicago machine politics of international science. The headline in the Wall Street Journal Europe is unimproveable: "How To Forge A Consensus." Pressuring publishers, firing editors, blacklisting scientists: That's "peer review," climate-style.
The more their echo chamber shriveled, the more Mann and Jones insisted that they and only they represent the "peer-reviewed" "consensus." And gullible types like Ed Begley Jr. and Andrew Revkin of the New York Times fell for it hook, line, and tree-ring. The e-mails of "Andy" (as his CRU chums fondly know him) are especially pitiful. Confronted by serious questions from Stephen McIntyre, the dogged Ontario retiree whose Climate Audit website exposed the fraud of Dr. Mann's global-warming "hockey stick" graph), "Andy" writes to Dr. Mann to say not to worry, he's going to "cover" the story from a more oblique angle:
I'm going to blog on this as it relates to the value of the peer review process and not on the merits of the mcintyre et al attacks.
peer review, for all its imperfections, is where the herky-jerky process of knowledge building happens, would you agree?
And, amazingly, Dr. Mann does! "Re, your point at the end — you've taken the words out of my mouth."
And that's what Andrew Revkin did, week in, week out: He took the words out of Michael Mann's mouth and served them up to impressionable readers of the New York Times and opportunist politicians around the world champing at the bit to inaugurate a vast global regulatory body to confiscate trillions of dollars of your hard-earned wealth in the cause of "saving the planet" from an imaginary crisis concocted by a few dozen thuggish ideologues. If you fall for this after the revelations of the last week, you're as big a dupe as Begley or Revkin.
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" wondered Juvenal: Who watches the watchmen? But the beauty of the climate-change tree-ring circus is that you never need to ask "Who peer-reviews the peer-reviewers?" Mann peer-reviewed Jones, and Jones peer-reviewed Mann, and anyone who questioned their theories got exiled to the unwarmed wastes of Siberia. The "consensus" warm-mongers could have declared it only counts as "peer-reviewed" if it's published in Peer-Reviewed Studies published by Mann & Jones Publishing Inc (Peermate of the Month: Al Gore, reclining naked, draped in dead polar-bear fur, on a melting ice floe), and Ed Begley Jr. and "Andy" Revkin would still have wandered out glassy-eyed into the streets droning "Peer-reviewed studies. Cannot question. Peer-reviewed studies. The science is settled . . . "
Looking forward to Copenhagen, Herman Van Rumpoy, the new president of the European Union and an eager proponent of the ecopalypse, says 2009 is "the first year of global governance." Global government, huh? I wonder where you go to vote them out of office.
Hey, but don't worry, it'll all be "peer-reviewed."
~from Steyn's syndicated column, November 28th 2009.

Climategate Five Years On :: SteynOnline
Gotta love Steyn but he's wrong because his scientists don't agree with waldo's scientists.
 

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Yeah, when you are not willing to actually debate the theories, then it is not "science".

just "who" is not willing to debate "the theories"?

See the Steyn article below for a close look at "peer-reviewed" literature.

what standing does Steyn hold? It's so bad his defense for the Mann suit is to claim he's not an expert and he shouldn't be held to account for what he said! That's... your "expert" commenting on "peer-review"?

the whole hackergate thing is just sooooo old-news. There were dozens of websites that poured over the emails... a-n-a-l-line by a-n-a-l-line parsing! Those that wanted to interpret a certain email a particular way, did so... on both sides! Your peer-review emphasis is case-in-point: essentially a guy mouthing off about a paper he feels has no basis/foundation to be published... tell me Colpy, was it published? Why, yes it was! There's this outright meme that fake-skeptics/deniers hold to... that no "skeptical" papers can get published because of 'the gatekeepers"! Of course that's BS as there are hundreds of skeptical papers published... the test is whether they hold up to scrutiny under peer-response.

And explain the 18 year pause.......

there is no pause in warming... this is a reduced rate of surface warming as compared to a prior decade, but that (and your reference) is a purposeful isolation to surface temperature only. Do I really need to re-quote that posting exchange between you and I that absolutely showed you have no understanding of what surface temperature warming even is? You know, you big-time fail where you thought ocean temperatures (deep ocean temperatures) were reflected within the surface temperature you were speaking to? And you're the guy to bust a nut forward here and speak with authority on a presumed pause? If you'd care to make your case for it, please do. (note: and, of course, that pointed reference to 97/98 is the absolute cherry-pick as it purposely aligns with one of the most anomalous ENSO events ever... Colpy, don't you ever wonder why that starting date is always chosen?)


He refuses to abandon the denier thingy. There's no science in him, he smells like CNN to me. Release the hounds.

if you're concerned about the label denier, you need to get over it. It's simply a label that identifies a position held... one that denies degrees of either warming proper, or AGW, etc.. It's not intended to be used as a pejorative; it's simply an identifier.

Gotta love Steyn but he's wrong because his scientists don't agree with waldo's scientists.

Steyn has scientists... I have scientists? Steyn is nothing but a blowhard who absolutely knew nothing about climate science (or the players therein) before he stuck his foot in his mouth with his accusations that landed him in a lawsuit... that has absolutely become clear to anyone who has followed the intricacies of the court proceedings. Why would anyone give any peripheral journalist, on either side of the discussion/debate, any particular credence? He's nothing but a journalist and one that had no vested interest in the subject matter.
 
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oh my! Colpy, your googly is firing on all cylinders!!! :lol: Is this you making your case for "the pause"? You're clearly a freakin' C&P wizard!
 

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oh my! Colpy, your googly is firing on all cylinders!!! :lol: Is this you making your case for "the pause"? You're clearly a freakin' C&P wizard!

Yep.

Just dropping them at your feet.....I thought you had a functioning intellect......at least enough to read.
 

waldo

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Yep.

Just dropping them at your feet.....I thought you had a functioning intellect......at least enough to read.

I gave em a quick glance... there's one I'd put some significance around... but it's the one you must have misfired on, cause it only addresses 10 years. But again, you're sure a real ballsy guy considering your recent big-time fail concerning surface-temperature and ocean warming. I already asked you once if I should replay that for you... you know, just as a reminder of your, as you say, functioning intellect! :mrgreen:

lets recap:
- you're purposely focusing on surface temperature... you're isolating warming to exclude the >90% of the globe where most warming goes... the oceans/ocean heat content.
- you're purposely focusing on a cherry-picked starting date for a temperature trend; again, you're starting at one of the most significant ENSO events of recorded history.
- you're ignoring (well, rather... I doubt you know about) recent research/publications that have more accurately accounted for sparse station data in the world's most isolated (and coincidentally most warming) parts of the world; e.g. the Arctic. Here's an article that describes an early revision of this study theme... the study (and subsequent updates to it) stand, as I'm aware, with no formal refutation having usurped them. Global warming since 1997 more than twice as fast as previously estimated
- notwithstanding 2014 is expected to take over as the warmest year on record, you're making your claim while somehow ignoring that the warmest years on record have all been in the relatively recent years. The 'Top 10' warmest years on record:
=> 2010, 2005, 1998, 2013, 2003, 2002, 2006, 2009, 2007, 2004, 2012
- just for funzies, let's have a look at some heightened cherry-picking... like you're engaged in!