Global capitalism and 21st century fascism

PoliticalNick

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.... Ohhhh, I see... They are too heavily regulated to loan themselves money, but not not so aggressively reagualted such that they can "create money out of thin air" as they deem necessary.
I'm still waiting for your explanation or links to show where you think the money comes from???? I have provided you with links regarding how fractional reserve lending works and you blow them off and don't even bother to read them because you would have to admit you are wrong. The term itself makes it quite clear that they can lend beyond their actual reserves, if they couldn't it would be called 'full reserve lending' which is a different system that is in use in some other countries.

As for the zero reserve policy in Canada, as I have indicated literally dozens of times now, the BOC has a reserve requirement and if they deal with the institutional banks in any way via loans, then by extension, the institutional banks have that policy heaped upon them indirectly.
And dozens of times you have been wrong. Go shout it from the rooftops if you like, it is still wrong. If your logic makes you believe 2 separate entities ruled by 2 different acts are identical or one set of regs applies to the other you may need a brain scan.

BTW - I highlighted one of the important distinction for ya... Now, it is up to you to apply some critical analysis in working through the logic on this.... What the hell am I saying; you haven't been wearing your hockey helmet consistently... You have no logic.
Yeah, right back at ya. You haven't backed up anything you say and want to launch personal attacks to prove you are right. What, do you work in govt??


Why did AIG almost go titters (technically, they were bankrupt)?
What was AIG's primary role in the real estate market? (related to Q1).
As the questions are related so are the answers. AIG worked as an insurer of debt, somewhat like CMHC, and had heavy liabilities in the derivative markets on bad debt. As the economy failed and huge CMFs (thats consolidated mortgage funds if you don't know) started to go bad AIG become on the hook not only to pay out losses on the debts but also pay out on the derivatives that were placed on the funds. It became quite clear very rapidly that there was no way for AIG to do this and remain solvent as they had backed too many bad debts that were falsely given AAA or AA ratings and had taken on excessive risk from the derivatives placed on them.

Generate a comprehensive understanding of the issue and things will become clear. Your biggest problem is that you read words on a page, apply your own narrow interpretation and consider it to be unrelated to any of the other multiple variables in the equation.
No, I have a clear understanding. AIG along with the banks decided to play games in a system of Vegas style gambling on derivatives and debt and rolled snake-eyes. They lost everything and then got the govt to put those losses on those they gambled against. It was the biggest rip-off of the people in history and they managed to get the govt to help them do it.

Actually, your biggest problem is recurring head trauma that could easily be prevented by wearing your hockey helmet, but we know that you won't go that far in wearing this protective head gear..
Another personal attack to back up your claims????

Got a link to this, or is it your imagination at it again?
Sure, here is a slightly older article. Most estimates now put the number at around 500-700 billion.
Canada's 75 Billion Dollar Bank Bailout

I am sure you will try and blow this one off too and ignore the direct quotes from Harper and Flaherty but I will give it too you anyway. More than you do to back up what you say.


Of course you believe that Nick.. You despise anyone or any group that accomplishes and "has" more than you... That is the socialist in you which envies accomplishment and shuns individual responsibility.
Wrong again, but keep up the personal attacks thinking they validate what you say.

I despise anyone or group that mismanages their business to the point of bankruptcy and then tricks the govt into making them solvent again. I despise a system that allows the people who mismanaged these businesses to receive multi-million dollar bonuses from the taxpayer for doing it. I despise people who lie, cheat and steal through manipulation of the system and govt. I despise people who believe all the lies and buy into the bullsh*t excuses put forward by the banks too.

If someone works hard and is productive and gets more than me I'm just fine with it. As for personal responsibility, I have plenty and live up to it, I have worked hard my whole life to get what I have and support my family. Maybe you should turn some personal responsibility on the people who bankrupted the banking system too.
 

captain morgan

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I'm still waiting for your explanation or links to show where you think the money comes from???? I have provided you with links regarding how fractional reserve lending works and you blow them off and don't even bother to read them because you would have to admit you are wrong. The term itself makes it quite clear that they can lend beyond their actual reserves, if they couldn't it would be called 'full reserve lending' which is a different system that is in use in some other countries.

The BOC website not good enough for ya?... And yes, I understand how fractional reserve lending works and how it is a reality withinh the financial circles in today's society.

Where the rift occurs in our debate relates to your absolute reliance of pure hypotheticals (re: the system and potentials) as opposed to the actual practice... Case in point, the reserve requirements for the BOC (see Bank Act) are, by extension, the policies of any institutional lender whenever they choose to do business with the BOC.


And dozens of times you have been wrong. Go shout it from the rooftops if you like, it is still wrong. If your logic makes you believe 2 separate entities ruled by 2 different acts are identical or one set of regs applies to the other you may need a brain scan.

Look at it this way Nick... Apply this example to your own "personal policy structure". Perhaps you believe that you must eat-out in public venues wearing only a pair of Speedos. This may be your individual policy... Unfortunately, the policy at your local eatery incorporates a minimum dress code (shirt, shoes, no speedos).... Now, here's the tricky part (and the point that I am making about the BOC's Reserve requirement policy) - In order for Nick to patronize this eatery, you must adopt their policy structure in order to be served your quiche and salad.

See how this works Nick?.... You desperately want the quiche/salad special, but in order to access it, you must waive your individual policy which relates to your Speedo preference.

In the end, this is similar to the dynamic that the retail/institutional lenders face when they do business with the BOC.


You haven't backed up anything you say and want to launch personal attacks to prove you are right. What, do you work in govt??

I give exactly as I receive Nick.


AIG along with the banks decided to play games in a system of Vegas style gambling on derivatives and debt and rolled snake-eyes. They lost everything and then got the govt to put those losses on those they gambled against. It was the biggest rip-off of the people in history and they managed to get the govt to help them do it.

Good work on the AIG issue... Now, one last piece to this puzzle.

Why would the banks/AIG need to call in the markers on those loans/mortgages?




Sure, here is a slightly older article. Most estimates now put the number at around 500-700 billion.
Canada's 75 Billion Dollar Bank Bailout

I scanned through the article and it sure doesn't sound like bail-out money in any form. In fact, it appeared that it would be the "borrowing public" at large that was the beneficiary in the program. Further, it also sounded like the money wasn't given away as you suggested more than it was going to be loaned-out against an asset.

Regardless of your interpretation of the article, the premise was to loosen-up credit in Canadian banks such that the effect would be to minimize the impact on the recessing economy.

With all this in mind, it points to the uber-theatrical response that you have exemplified in this entire discussion, all the way from the unfounded and patently false claims that banks can "create their own money out of thin air" to the Cdn feds bailing out the banks.

I am sure you will try and blow this one off too and ignore the direct quotes from Harper and Flaherty but I will give it too you anyway. More than you do to back up what you say.[/QUOTE]

Direct quotes or not.. How was it a bail-out of an insolvent bank?

Answer: it wasn't


I despise anyone or group that mismanages their business to the point of bankruptcy and then tricks the govt into making them solvent again. I despise a system that allows the people who mismanaged these businesses to receive multi-million dollar bonuses from the taxpayer for doing it. I despise people who lie, cheat and steal through manipulation of the system and govt. I despise people who believe all the lies and buy into the bullsh*t excuses put forward by the banks too.

How about recognizing the role of the individual consumer(s) that mismanaged their position and were "ground zero" in this entirely chain?

If someone works hard and is productive and gets more than me I'm just fine with it.


... But only as long as you can tax the sh*t out of 'em to service your socialist-utopian needs?
 

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Apparently any bank can create money out of thin air via a simple accounting entry... In fact, the theory stipulates that there is an infinite amount of money that can be loaned out.... Get in touch with Nick on this, he probably can give you a personal reference to teh source.
 

petros

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Apparently any bank can create money out of thin air via a simple accounting entry... In fact, the theory stipulates that there is an infinite amount of money that can be loaned out.... Get in touch with Nick on this, he probably can give you a personal reference to teh source.
If the banks are broke where did the money come from to hand out bail outs?
 

petros

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So it was Canadian banks that lent it out to the Americans? Where did they get it?

Global debt has gone from $18 Trillion in 2000 to $42 Trillion today. Who lent the Globe $24 Trillion? Mars?
 

captain morgan

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I know where you're going on this Petros.. The fact is that money/currency is representative of an asset, be that something tangible, future potential, etc.

Relying on a belief system that infinite amounts of money can be instantly created is a myth.... Case in point; Zimbabwe, they now have a trillion dollar note in circulation....
 

petros

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My future is based on what I have at hand right now. I don't owe anyone a single penny and I love every minute of it. Yours?