Give your opinion on the CBC

FiveParadox

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I agree with Finder; while we should, of course, encourage Canadian producers to publish whatever Canadian content they wish elsewhere, it is a good idea to have an exclusively-Canadian station such as the CBC, where citizens and residents of Canada can tune in to exclusively Canadian content.
 

Said1

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A lot of formerly CBC stars are now hot commodities south of the boarder. I'm glad to see them get their chance or a much broader scale!
 

missile

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Perhaps the monies could be better spent on a Ministry of Propaganda that creates programs that would be shown on all the networks..documentaries,etc? And the CBC could go the way of PBS, and if people want it on the air,they'd donate the funds to keep it on.[This is what I see in the future for the network]
 

Jay

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missile said:
Perhaps the monies could be better spent on a Ministry of Propaganda

Exactly. Why doesn't the government just come clean on their intentions and call it what it is. We need a Minister of Propaganda in Canada, and if we invented the department, we could probably merge a number of the other ministries into it and save money.
 

FiveParadox

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I don't understand the assertions that the CBC propagates some sort of propaganda — if the Government of Canada should not have the right to provide funds for an exclusively-Canadian Crown Corporation, then should the Government of Canada have the right to provide funds to any exclusively-Canadian institutions? Is bias not inherent in whatever institutions we may happen to have? Where workers are human, then yes, there are going to be certain biases inadvertantly presented — but to assert that the CBC is invalid as some sort of proponent of propaganda is an "interesting" suggestion.
 

Jay

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propaganda

1. The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.

2. Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.



CBC Mandate

The 1991 Broadcasting Act states that...
"...the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, as the national public broadcaster, should provide radio and television services incorporating a wide range of programming that informs, enlightens and entertains;

...the programming provided by the Corporation should:

i. be predominantly and distinctively Canadian,

ii. reflect Canada and its regions to national and regional audiences, while serving the special needs of those regions,
iii. actively contribute to the flow and exchange of cultural expression,

iv. be in English and in French, reflecting the different needs and circumstances of each official language community, including the particular needs and circumstances of English and French linguistic minorities,

v. strive to be of equivalent quality in English and French,
vi. contribute to shared national consciousness and identity,
vii. be made available throughout Canada by the most appropriate and efficient means and as resources become available for the purpose, and

viii.reflect the multicultural and multiracial nature of Canada."


http://www.cbc.radio-canada.ca/about/mandate.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Broadcasting_Corporation


Public versus private ownership

Controversies within the broadcast industry will often ensue when the CBC launches new services in areas that private broadcasters are already in, or wish to be in. The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC), which decides which new broadcast licenses will be granted, is, like the CBC, a government controlled body. The head of the CBC and the commissioners of the CRTC are all selected by the Prime Minister. This causes private broadcasters to suspect favouritism for the CBC.

For instance, the CBC was given the first license for an all-news specialty service, namely CBC Newsworld. As with other specialty services, that decision automatically precluded any other new service, with a similar format of news and analysis, from launching. When the privately owned headline news service CTV Newsnet launched in 1997, it was restricted by condition of licence to using a constant 15-minute news cycle. Critics of the CBC contend CRTC favouritism is shown by the fact that CBC Newsworld has not faced equal threats of sanctions over its airing of programs outside the "all-news" format, such as the BBC version of Antiques Roadshow, although such a program does technically fall within its permitted range. The CBC, was, however, forced to remove repeats of This Hour Has 22 Minutes and Royal Canadian Air Farce from the Newsworld schedule in 1997.

The CBC had directly intervened in every application by CTV to change the restrictions on Newsnet up to the final decision by the CRTC, which largely removed the restrictions in 2005. However, the CBC is not unique in this, as it is common for broadcasters to intervene against one another in licensing decisions. The Canadian market is relatively small and some broadcasters feel it cannot support the free market approach of the US. They argue it is better to favour a specific broadcaster in certain areas, so at least one Canadian channel will be able to prosper.

Other allegations of favouritism have centred around, for instance, the awarding of prized radio frequencies (i.e. for CBLA-FM in Toronto). By the same token, though, not all of the CBC's applications are automatically approved; at one point the CBC asked for use of a similarly prized Montreal frequency in order to begin a third French radio network, but was denied in favour of a private broadcaster. Moreover, most if not all groups who receive a favourable decision by the CRTC have been accused at some point of having secured favouritism from the commission.

Issue of bias

Critics, often led by private media, sometimes accuse the network of cultural elitism, liberal bias, or bias in favour of the current governing party. The CBC is also sometimes thought to have an unfair economic advantage in the Canadian television marketplace, because it competes with private broadcasters for advertising dollars, while simultaneously receiving the subsidy of a government grant.

Many believe the CBC acts as a necessary counterbalance to what they perceive to be the big business right-wing bias of private networks, or that it preserves Canadian culture against the homogenizing influence of rebroadcast American programming. Canadians continue to poll in favour of maintaining funding to the CBC. As it was initially conceived, the CBC ensures that Canadian stations act as more than just affiliates broadcasting foreign content. The Canadian government attempts to balance funding inequities between private and public networks by providing large subsidies for private production of Canadian content.

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So it isn't just the cost of the CBC either, as we like to give other propaganda money to the private networks to counter balance government favoritism....The CBC seems to be a big corporate welfare propaganda machine scheme thing defended by the left.
 

Curiosity

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Jay I love the following statement:

Canadians continue to poll in favour of maintaining funding to the CBC.

Who were they conducting their "polls" with - the current audience of the CBC?

This kind of speechifying is so "UN-ish".
 

Sassylassie

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I am only going to say this once; if CBC goes away I will not get to watch my beloved Cornation Street, On the Road Again, Mark Cullom Gardening show, Opening Night of the Opera, Master Piece Theater, and those two elderly people who teach people to paint-scratch that one. Where do those of us who like really bad TV shows go? Answer that for me. Our Government would just waste the money on some other useless cause. Like some artsy fartsy program where artist can crap on a canvas and call it art. Is this what you want? Hail CBC. Sniff, sniff.

P.S. Jaun where are you, back up is needed.
 

Jay

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That's funny Sassy... :)

One objection I have is there are 80 channels of crap on TV already....
 

Sassylassie

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Ditto, garbage is what most of the channels air. I don't watch TV very much but when I do it's "The CBC" or HGTV, I'm a home reno junkie.
 

Curiosity

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Haha Sassy

Juan will find this one shortly....and install his "fart button"...hahaha...it's gonna be a great moderator tool hahaha

Don't get me wrong ... I love good programming and we get many of the shows on Public Broadcasting down here. I love the BBC programming and watch anything available from them...

It's the government funded thingy that I dislike. Although Juan's pointing out about remote broadcasts (radio) is a fair one....especially to all the native dialects.... but television will go anywhere (actually so will radio but it's expensive)...

I like to keep the "press" and government apart. If the CBC did not do News then I would zip my lip.
 

Sassylassie

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When CBC went on strike there were dozens of communities with no TV to watch and no Radio News to listen to. Scary, but in remote communities CBC is all there is. Opps Cornation Streets on bye, bye.
 

Jay

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I agree with the information challenge faced by very few of our citizens and I don't have a problem with the government funding repeaters in remote areas so people can get a signal. That is a logical reason for the government to be in media.

We live in the year 2006 not 1906. Infrastructure isn't their big problem.
 

Said1

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Sassylassie said:
I am only going to say this once; if CBC goes away I will not get to watch my beloved Cornation Street, On the Road Again, Mark Cullom Gardening show, Opening Night of the Opera, Master Piece Theater, and those two elderly people who teach people to paint-scratch that one. Where do those of us who like really bad TV shows go? Answer that for me. Our Government would just waste the money on some other useless cause. Like some artsy fartsy program where artist can crap on a canvas and call it art. Is this what you want? Hail CBC. Sniff, sniff.

P.S. Jaun where are you, back up is needed.

I would have DIED without Degrassi jr high, growing up. And North of 60, 2 of my friends were on that show, one a regular!
 

Sassylassie

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I loved both shows. After they cancelled North of Sixty five feature movies were made, I loved them. Albert was so Evil, and TV what a punk.
 

#juan

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My two kids grew up watching the beachcombers, and the Rovers, and we watched with them. BTW, The Beachcombers was watched in quite a few markets around the world. I suppose we could have watched Gunsmoke(grown men playing cowboys and indians as I recall.)or "Father knows Best" :pukeright: We can't forget "Bonanza":puke:
 

Said1

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Sassylassie said:
I loved both shows. After they cancelled North of Sixty five feature movies were made, I loved them. Albert was so Evil, and TV what a punk.

I saw Peter - Tom Jackson on Law and Order the other night. I actually clapped I was so excited.

Member the Rez? Frank Fencepost has actually been in my house *gush* I know, but I can't help telling everyone I know!

For those who don't know, the one on the right.

 

Said1

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#juan said:
My two kids grew up watching the beachcombers, and the Rovers, and we watched with them. BTW, The Beachcombers was watched in quite a few markets around the world. I suppose we could have watched Gunsmoke(grown men playing cowboys and indians as I recall.)or "Father knows Best" :pukeright: We can't forget "Bonanza":puke:

I still call people Relic. 8)
 

Sassylassie

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Isn't it funny the Nay sayers don't want to fund CBC but so many Canadians in Rural Communites that's all we had. Great down to earth programs that reflected Canadian Values. Beachcombers loved that show, the CBC have had a couple of specials on. Ah the Res, I loved that show also. This is like walking down memory lane. God does anyone remember that awful show from the States Stacy's Jamborri, shoot me, my father watched that show every Sat. night. Oh my god it was awful, local talent from Canada and the Boston area singing folk songs.