Gingrich sees Iran threat to U.S. like Nazi Germany

jimmoyer

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Iran certainly is not Nazi Germany. But the world is too little worried about the North Koreans aiding Iran's goal.

I wonder if the Great Satan of North America were not around, would evil disappear?

LOL.

And who would have the balls and the egotism to stop it?

We saw what happened in Yugoslavia for 8 years before the US interevened. We saw what happened in Rwanda when the world was WAITING for the US to do something.

It would be good for the US to withdraw in a huge way and watch how good and sane this world is.
 

Reverend Blair

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The vanity of the United States never ceases to amaze me.
Jimmy said:
I wonder if the Great Satan of North America were not around, would evil disappear?
No, there would some other imperialist force fecking things up. Hopefully they wouldn't be so jingoistic, vain and downright ignorant that anytime somebody spoke out against them the just pouted that everybody was being mean to them.

You know what the difference is though, Jimmy? The difference is that your country is supposed to be something more. It is supposed to be democratic. It is supposed to put as much value on the life of an Iraqi child as on the life of an American soldier. It is not supposed to commit war crimes. It is not supposed to commit torture. It is not supposed to kill women and children to produce profits for oil companies.

You are supposed to be a shining city on the hill. Instead you alternate between acting like drunk laying in the gutter and the petty gangster-wannabe who rolls the drunk laying in the gutter.

Thinking that we just criticize you because you America is silly though. We'd criticize anybody who acts the way you do.
 

jimmoyer

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True, Reverend.

What you said is right.

I don't think what I said disagrees with you.

I think the world needs to move on to other things or it will make more mistakes.

We both understand the self-destructive force of hating too much, don't we ?
 

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We saw what happened in Yugoslavia for 8 years before the US interevened. We saw what happened in Rwanda when the world was WAITING for the US to do something.
such a weird interpretation of things. Ya see, if anyone else decided to move in to help resolve those issues........the US would undermine it......immediately. The world is on to the US uncivilized game and big time.

such vanity, egotism/braggacio must be a load to carry around....and would sure prevent one from seeing things objectively.
 

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You are supposed to be a shining city on the hill. Instead you alternate between acting like drunk laying in the gutter and the petty gangster-wannabe who rolls the drunk laying in the gutter

authored by our own " rev"....... :wink:


THAT is the best descripton of the US I have heard/ read in a long time. Fits to a "bloody" T. :thumbright: :thumbleft:

This shining city on the hill thing is long gone.......and perhaps that is as it should be. No one can live up to those professed ideals as reality and the human equation render something far too different. The problem is when some "believe" in this shining city on the hill and find out that it is a cesspool .....and refuse to acknowledge it.
 

jimmoyer

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such a weird interpretation of things. Ya see, if anyone else decided to move in to help resolve those issues........the US would undermine it..

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LOL !

Those 2 facts are enterred on the record to interrupt your regularly scheduled programming.

The world did nothing in Rwanda.

Your excuses are convenient to your bias.

America did not stop French troops helping out in many areas of Africa. You didn't know that?

What documentation can you show why the US would stop the world from enterring into Rwanda and what would the American rationale be for that ---- other than your stated bias for believing it ???
 

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we are talking patterns of US behavior on the world stage....

(ps.......getting awful close to "attacking" the poster ain't cha..??? Let's speak to the issues...... :roll: you know better, jimbo.)
 

jimmoyer

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such a weird interpretation of things.
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such vanity, egotism/braggacio must be a load to carry around....and would sure prevent one from seeing things objectively

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I believe your own words characterized this poster, n'est pas?

Let's show the sensitivity both ways, eh ?

But I believe it is okay for you to speak of my bias and my objectivity as I can speak of yours.

Often it is germane to the issue.

Because we have the issue and we also have the observer of it, and we know from the physics of science that the event observed is affected by the observer.

But I'll refrain as you wish in the spirit you meant.

Sincerely.

I do like this board.

I can even hear a laundry machine in the distance.
 

Reverend Blair

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such a weird interpretation of things. Ya see, if anyone else decided to move in to help resolve those issues........the US would undermine it......immediately.

It's not just weird, it's wrong. The US said openly that it would veto anything that called Rwanda a genocide, which would have triggered the involvement of UN troops. Those troops did not have to be American, there was no requirement for it, so the whole Somalia excuse doesn't really make sense.

Strangely enough though, the US was heavily involved in neighbouring Uganda where US mining corporations were profitting massively from both sides. Those sides were killing each other over minerals at the time. UN involvement in Rwanda would likely have spilled over into Uganda. Why didn't the US want the UN in Rwanda?
 

jimmoyer

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America found Rwanda not to be strategic for it to be interested enough by a former President who purports to regret not having helped and who is all about helping Africa these days.

If even this caring ex-President did not want to intervene than what decision did he make to prevent others?

There was no restriction.

And there would have been nothing to stop the world from landing a few planes and troops because America would not even wish to stop those troops from Canada or Europe.

Look at the areas where French troops are now keeping the peace ?

America did not stop them.

And your bias although well founded in many issues does not do you accurately well here Reverend Blair.

My suspicion of the convenient comfortable couch the world sits in is well founded on this matter.
 

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jimmoyer said:
LOL !

Those 2 facts are enterred on the record to interrupt your regularly scheduled programming.

The world did nothing in Rwanda.

Your excuses are convenient to your bias.

America did not stop French troops helping out in many areas of Africa. You didn't know that?

What documentation can you show why the US would stop the world from enterring into Rwanda and what would the American rationale be for that ---- other than your stated bias for believing it ???


I can give you what you seek, Jim ...

This telegram forwards Department of State guidance to the US Mission to the UN in New York instructing US diplomats there that “the international community must give highest priority to full, orderly withdrawal of all UNAMIR personnel as soon as possible.” Advising that this withdrawal does not require a UN Security Council resolution—which would have likely focused international criticism—the Department instructs the mission “that we will oppose any effort at this time to preserve a UNAMIR presence in Rwanda.”

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB53/rw041594.pdf
 

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jimmoyer said:
America found Rwanda not to be strategic for it to be interested enoughquote]

Answer - that really is the bottom line. It is all about strategic advantage for America. Nothing about compassion. How very sad. I look forward to the American empire crumbling under the weight of its own greed.

As with the support of America for the Nazi regime, America continues to support some of the most ruthless and corrupt despots in the world for its 'strategic' advantage, while denying the existence of great humanitarian needs elsewhere.

A bit of an aside perhaps, but Bono's criticism of Paul Martin is very apt, as the Canadian taxpayer is going to be contributing to beef up our killing machines to appease the americans rather than toward our promised level of aid. This government in no way represents my views.
 

jimmoyer

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A telegram is enough to stop this weak world from performing its moral duties ?

How convenient.

That telegram instructs UN personel to leave the area because they were in danger, and the State Dept doesn't want to have go in there to save those idiots in harm's way, especially because they were so outspoken (rightfully so) to try to do what they could to stop the carnage.

Aye carumba !

The UN might have been noble, but what is this world made of to sit so convenient on its righteous couch ?

Push come to shove, you would not see Americans fighting Canadians and French moving in with a military PoisonPete2 decries to give you people the muscle to do what you all brag about doing.

America is quite the convenient excuse these days while personal responsibility takes a vacation.
 

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I actualy have to admit , I have never liked canada. I tend to support iran and relly any other country out there that has problem with US politics. but for some reason canada bothers me a great deal. I don't know. I don't like how canadians seem to be very snide in talking about the US.

canada rests on the border of the united states and I believe the fartheest city is only a few hundred miles from the border. the majority of the canadian population sits ont eh border. now the problem seems to me to stem from the US/Canada competition. for some while I have noticed that canadians gernally dislike the US's recognition int he world. canada seems to be overshadowed when it comes to world attention . from my experience canadians generally have an unrecognized nationality and are sensitive about this. canadas nationality is so dependant on the US and at the same time is severly overshadowed. in my opinin this leads to a huge resentment. most critisms of the US don't bother me at all. in fact I have my own opinoins. I think that the thing that bothers me is that canadas criticisms are largely motivated by resentment. I am not jsut refering to the current political arena. this is something I have noticed for quite some time and it just seems that canada prospers off of US downfall. some rise from anothers demise. and for a country that recieves absolutely no recognition in the world, it just seems that canada is a very dangerous nationality because of the resentment. the worse the US appears to be, the better those overshadowed will appear. and that is unnerving. I have had many experiences with this setiment. and I don't like it. even most of the discussions on this website are about the US. and the worse the US does the better I think it makes canadians feel. canada does not have world recognition like the US does. culturally or anything else. and I think that as far as natioinal pride goes, that can be very upsetting. canadians love to ridicule the US I've noticed and the thing that bothers me is that canada sits inches from the border. it just seems to be a parasitic relationship. feeding of a country and offereing only criticism in return. I just find canada's criticism to be irritating. sitting back and just enjoying the US's turmoil. and I think that canada will generally try to use this turmoil to siutaute themselves in a better light. prosper by comparison. the worse the US looks the better canada appears. and I think canada will use this. the ting is though, its easier to not make the mistake when you sit on another country and take advantage of what that country has to endure. it's easy not to make mistakes when a country has the priveledge of resting on another. it just seems to be a lamprey relationship. even from the begining. it's been a competition. the US got all the recognition, and canada seems to not be happy with that. often times constantly focusing on what the US does wrong.

it just really annoying. canada also seems to enjoy itself reveling in how wonderfully intelligent it is. and scoff at the US calling it evil. but it reminds me of someone arrogantly scoffing at another in a stream as they sit on the bank. scoffing at how they are swimming. and they're inability to do as well as those on the bank see fit. it seems that canadians often will ridicule the US for it's cultural achievements "the US isn't that great" what cultural recognition does canada get in the world. how much do other countires pay attention to canada. I am not sure most people in other countries would even know who your prime minister is. even any cultural aspects of your country depend on the US to basically provide/protect it for you. canada isn't really in the tumultuos seas of political world responsibility. you guys haven't had to deal with anything in the world. noone really gives a damn what canada does and I think that bothers many canadians on a subconcious level. even a concious level, but I think its definitely there. no doubt about it in my mind. canada seems to be very arrogant about what it thinks the US is doing wrong. but it hasn't ever had the responsibility of dealing with these things. canada can sit back and wait for someone else to make all of the mistakes and then chew on whatever that country provides. never having the gaul to do it yourselves. waiting for someone else to make all of the mistakes. it just is weasely to me. I agree with most criticism from other countries. but for some reason I hate canada. more than I can even stand. that's just the way I feel about it. I have had really unpleasnt involvement with candians. and I really dislike canada. I am just trying to express my opinion about it. I hate your country, it's nothing personal(I know that may not make sense but it's true, I am sure not all canadians are like this) but I just don't like canada for some reason. it just bothers me so much I can't stand it.
instead of getting world recognition, canada's accomplishment seems to be finding fault with the US.
 

Reverend Blair

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Indeed literalism is a sin.

The example is the post of that telegram.

Funny, the post never got anybody killed.

I actualy have to admit , I have never liked canada. I tend to support iran and relly any other country out there that has problem with US politics. but for some reason canada bothers me a great deal. I don't know. I don't like how canadians seem to be very snide in talking about the US.

Okay, I never got much further. "f*uck it," I said, "I'm half cut." I would have been fully cut, but I got drunk and dropped the knife. Darwin's theory has an odd way of looking after me.