Get rid of the Point System

[BaalsTears]

How do you define "individual liberty?" How do you define "equality?" What is the difference between the two? In American terms the philosophical difference underlies the gulf separating "liberals/progressives" from "conservatives/libertarians."

As far as gun control is concerned, amending the US Constitution to eliminate the Right to Bear Arms certainly seems like an insurmountable problem. Assuming for the sake of argument that the US Constitution were so amended, there remains the problem of prying guns from the hands of those who would not surrender their weapons while their hearts still beat and blood still coursed through their veins.

 

[JLM]

How do you define "individual liberty?" How do you define "equality?" What is the difference between the two? In American terms the philosophical difference underlies the gulf separating "liberals/progressives" from "conservatives/libertarians."

As far as gun control is concerned, amending the US Constitution to eliminate the Right to Bear Arms certainly seems like an insurmountable problem. Assuming for the sake of argument that the US Constitution were so amended, there remains the problem of prying guns from the hands of those who would not surrender their weapons while their hearts still beat and blood still coursed through their veins.

People should get this obsession for gun control out of their systems. Guns don't do anything, criminals do, register and monitor them.

 

[Walter]

how do you know you have the most neg reps? 8O

He has brown eyes.

 

[B00Mer]

WalMart is back!!!

 

[Sal]

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[*]I'm going to dare to contradict you on this one, Sal. At what I.Q. would a person be deemed able to use a gun responsibly? I would suggest that it may well be at an I.Q. level considerably below average. I think where gun use abuse comes in it has more to with emotional and temper stability than intelligence level. Would use consider limiting the use of an automobile to those of above average or superior I.Q.? I've found most people who distrust guns are those who either fear them or have never used them.
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I have a huge fear of guns. I have never used one and have zero reason to use one. And I do not want my neighbour having a whole bunch of hand guns that he sits and cleans while drinking his beer, especially if it's pointed at my wall.

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Didn't someone in here say in another thread that he has them all over his house (just in case)? Nice way to live eh with that type of fear? Just waiting for the inevitable.

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I used to play games on FB and have acquired many, many FB friends from south of the Border. If you could just view my FB feed you would see what I mean about average I.Q. JML. Many of them seem like they are good people if you aren't Mexican...some really funny Mexican jokes...NOT. I don't even think some of them have the brain power to realize they are racist. Some are close to illiterate, and they have guns. And they talk about their guns...constantly. And they are anti Obama and pro Gawd and guns and the crap they place on their walls is horrifying...how these people acquired guns is beyond me. Some of them sure seem like they should be illegal to me but I don't know what they are allowed to keep. So yeah there should be an IQ test before they get the arsenal.

I think Republicans are quite similar to our Conservatives and I certainly don't view them that way-

you think Republicans are the same as Canadian Conservatives? So you would vote Republican because you think they are just conservatives no problem? You might want to research them a bit more and see what you would lose first.

Got the car packed up for the move already? ;-)

You have fun now ya all hear?

 

[SLM]

How did a serious discussion with actual thought out arguments break out in a thread like this?

Shhhh, that's the secret key to it all. If you start out trying to have a serious discussion, you get descended upon by the troll troupe (they're like the villagers in Frankenstein but with fewer pitchforks and more sarcasm). If you just randomly post a lot of random crap, on occasion you get a nice little conversation out of it.

But keep it under your hat, okay? It's the only thing some of us have to hold onto here sometimes.

 

[JLM]

you think Republicans are the same as Canadian Conservatives? So you would vote Republican because you think they are just conservatives no problem? You might want to research them a bit more and see what you would lose first.

Got the car packed up for the move already? ;-)

You have fun now ya all hear?

Actually I've noticed there is very little difference between most political parties. The similarity being they will all do whatever it takes to get elected, stay elected, wallow in the trough and take the big pension! -

 

[PoliticalNick]

I have a huge fear of guns. I have never used one and have zero reason to use one. And I do not want my neighbour having a whole bunch of hand guns that he sits and cleans while drinking his beer, especially if it's pointed at my wall.

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Didn't someone in here say in another thread that he has them all over his house (just in case)? Nice way to live eh with that type of fear? Just waiting for the inevitable.

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I used to play games on FB and have acquired many, many FB friends from south of the Border. If you could just view my FB feed you would see what I mean about average I.Q. JML. Many of them seem like they are good people if you aren't Mexican...some really funny Mexican jokes...NOT. I don't even think some of them have the brain power to realize they are racist. Some are close to illiterate, and they have guns. And they talk about their guns...constantly. And they are anti Obama and pro Gawd and guns and the crap they place on their walls is horrifying...how these people acquired guns is beyond me. Some of them sure seem like they should be illegal to me but I don't know what they are allowed to keep. So yeah there should be an IQ test before they get the arsenal.

you think Republicans are the same as Canadian Conservatives? So you would vote Republican because you think they are just conservatives no problem? You might want to research them a bit more and see what you would lose first.

Got the car packed up for the move already? ;-)

You have fun now ya all hear?

You don't need to be afraid of guns Sal. You need to be afraid of people. Guns by themselves do nothing. You may want to consider going to a target range and actually firing a few rounds one day. Shooting is a good skill to have. Not just for personal protection but also for hunting. Those without the skill will be the first to perish should the sh*t hit the fan big-time.

Another point is that not everybody who owns multiple firearms is a wacko. I own several rifles, a couple of shotguns and a few handguns. I do keep a handgun in the nightstand but we don't sit around waiting for a break in. Most of the time I don't even think about it but it is nice to know there is a little bit of protection there before the cops arrive.

I just think you have the wrong impression of 95% of gun owners and you would have less trepidation if you familiarized yourself with some weapons and basic use.

 

[JLM]

You don't need to be afraid of guns Sal. You need to be afraid of people. Guns by themselves do nothing. You may want to consider going to a target range and actually firing a few rounds one day. Shooting is a good skill to have. Not just for personal protection but also for hunting. Those without the skill will be the first to perish should the sh*t hit the fan big-time.

Another point is that not everybody who owns multiple firearms is a wacko. I own several rifles, a couple of shotguns and a few handguns. I do keep a handgun in the nightstand but we don't sit around waiting for a break in. Most of the time I don't even think about it but it is nice to know there is a little bit of protection there before the cops arrive.

I just think you have the wrong impression of 95% of gun owners and you would have less trepidation if you familiarized yourself with some weapons and basic use.

Good post Nick - the only thing I would add is where there's young kids around or unstable people you should keep the ammo separate and out of reach!

 

[Sal]

You don't need to be afraid of guns Sal. You need to be afraid of people. Guns by themselves do nothing. You may want to consider going to a target range and actually firing a few rounds one day. Shooting is a good skill to have. Not just for personal protection but also for hunting. Those without the skill will be the first to perish should the sh*t hit the fan big-time.

Another point is that not everybody who owns multiple firearms is a wacko. I own several rifles, a couple of shotguns and a few handguns. I do keep a handgun in the nightstand but we don't sit around waiting for a break in. Most of the time I don't even think about it but it is nice to know there is a little bit of protection there before the cops arrive.

I just think you have the wrong impression of 95% of gun owners and you would have less trepidation if you familiarized yourself with some weapons and basic use.

lol...It is precisely the people I see on my FB wall that make me fear "guns in their hands".

I do believe you are correct with certain thoughts here. Had I been raised on a farm, and if I were trained to use one, if I had been brought up with guns around me, or if my parents had been hunters and had the need for a gun, I would be less repulsed by them.

I believe there is a time and a place and certain circumstances where guns are needed. I don't dispute that. Thought needs to be put into gun ownership. Killing another human being, taking the life of another human being and what that does to an individual needs to be understood fully before one purchases a gun with the intent of self protection. Once one kills a human being, there is no going back, there is no do over, there are not enough sorrys in the world to right that.

There are quite a few in here yourself included, with whom I would be comfortable knowing they had a gun in the next room if trouble erupted. Others, not so much. I do know that not everyone who owns a gun is a wacko. But most wackos do love their guns. What disturbs me is that wackos are allowed to have guns. Wackos feel the need to have guns.

Most civilized nations with a lot of city dwellers have zero need for hand guns I am thinking mostly of Europe as an example here since the States is an anomaly in that regard.

People want to hunt, I'm all for it. Other than that...no.

As I age violence repels me more and more. I could no more stalk and kill an animal than I could stalk and kill my neighbour. It is not my nature. I am a city girl in Southern Ontario. There is little gun violence in my tri-city area. Toronto the largest close city is becoming more violent due to gangs. The population is large and growing and there is a lot of immigration. Immigration brings 'different', different can bring fear. Different alerts us to possible danger. I don't want to arm that.

I don't know guns but I do know human nature.

 

[JamesBondo]

I've been to sites that have a "thank you" button only. Has this been considered?

lol...It is precisely the people I see on my FB wall that make me fear "guns in their hands".

I do believe you are correct with certain thoughts here. Had I been raised on a farm, and if I were trained to use one, if I had been brought up with guns around me, or if my parents had been hunters and had the need for a gun, I would be less repulsed by them.

I believe there is a time and a place and certain circumstances where guns are needed. I don't dispute that. Thought needs to be put into gun ownership. Killing another human being, taking the life of another human being and what that does to an individual needs to be understood fully before one purchases a gun with the intent of self protection. Once one kills a human being, there is no going back, there is no do over, there are not enough sorrys in the world to right that.

There are quite a few in here yourself included, with whom I would be comfortable knowing they had a gun in the next room if trouble erupted. Others, not so much. I do know that not everyone who owns a gun is a wacko. But most wackos do love their guns. What disturbs me is that wackos are allowed to have guns. Wackos feel the need to have guns.

Most civilized nations with a lot of city dwellers have zero need for hand guns I am thinking mostly of Europe as an example here since the States is an anomaly in that regard.

People want to hunt, I'm all for it. Other than that...no.

As I age violence repels me more and more. I could no more stalk and kill an animal than I could stalk and kill my neighbour. It is not my nature. I am a city girl in Southern Ontario. There is little gun violence in my tri-city area. Toronto the largest close city is becoming more violent due to gangs. The population is large and growing and there is a lot of immigration. Immigration brings 'different', different can bring fear. Different alerts us to possible danger. I don't want to arm that.

I don't know guns but I do know human nature.

I think in a civilized country like Canada, is makes sense to have our police officers equipped with handguns instead of heavier more cumbersome weapons. And we certainly don't need to park a tank on the corner with M16s like they do in Ireland.


I have a suspicion that you can agree with me so far, but I'm going to ask you to challenge yourself on one of your comments. you wrote "Most civilized nations with a lot of city dwellers have zero need for hand guns"


So do Canadian police have zero need for handguns? What are you implying with "nations with a lot of city dwellers"? ie Do you really want rifles to become the city firearm of choice? They can penetrate police vests and travel through walls.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I think in a civilized country like Canada, is makes sense to have our police officers equipped with handguns instead of heavier more cumbersome weapons. And we certainly don't need to park a tank on the corner with M16s like they do in Ireland.

Funny, I spend a lot of time in Ireland, and I've never seen a tank. And the Garda Siochana are unarmed.

 

[Sal]

I've been to sites that have a "thank you" button only. Has this been considered?




I think in a civilized country like Canada, is makes sense to have our police officers equipped with handguns instead of heavier more cumbersome weapons. And we certainly don't need to park a tank on the corner with M16s like they do in Ireland.


I have a suspicion that you can agree with me so far, but I'm going to ask you to challenge yourself on one of your comments. you wrote "Most civilized nations with a lot of city dwellers have zero need for hand guns"


So do Canadian police have zero need for handguns? What are you implying with "nations with a lot of city dwellers"? ie Do you really want rifles to become the city firearm of choice? They can penetrate police vests and travel through walls.

Hi James Bondo, this was not referring to police but your average citizen. Police are on a whole different level because they are dealing with people who well may be armed and attempting to kill them.

The reason I used the term city dwellers is because there are certain parts of the country where one would perhaps need guns loaded and ready to go for the protection of their livestock. I do not endorse having my neighbours armed to the teeth but I am willing to say there may well be a need for it in some areas of the country.

 

[pgs]

Hi James Bondo, this was not referring to police but your average citizen. Police are on a whole different level because they are dealing with people who well may be armed and attempting to kill them.

The reason I used the term city dwellers is because there are certain parts of the country where one would perhaps need guns loaded and ready to go for the protection of their livestock. I do not endorse having my neighbours armed to the teeth but I am willing to say there may well be a need for it in some areas of the country.

But if the citizens have no need of guns why do the police ?
It stands to reason if no citizen had a gun the police wouldn't need them .

 

[Sal]

But if the citizens have no need of guns why do the police ?
It stands to reason if no citizen had a gun the police wouldn't need them .

correct

Police use of firearms in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JamesBondo]

It appears that it is ok to protect livestock with firearms, but i should protect my children with an impromtu blunt weapon because i don't need a firearm against the same criminals that a police officer needs a firearm for.

So it would appear that my child's safetly ranks lower than livestock, and the police share a monopoly of firearm defense with farmers only. The rest of us are not worthy of the same trust afforded to police and farmers.

Can anyone explain to me why it is not reasonable to disapprove?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

It appears that it is ok to protect livestock with firearms, but i should protect my children with an impromtu blunt weapon because i don't need a firearm against the same criminals that a police officer needs a firearm for.

So it would appear that my child's safetly ranks lower than livestock, and the police share a monopoly of firearm defense with farmers only. The rest of us are not worthy of the same trust afforded to police and farmers.

Can anyone explain to me why it is not reasonable to disapprove?

Well, how tasty are your kids?

 

[Sal]

It appears that it is ok to protect livestock with firearms, but i should protect my children with an impromtu blunt weapon because i don't need a firearm against the same criminals that a police officer needs a firearm for.

So it would appear that my child's safetly ranks lower than livestock, and the police share a monopoly of firearm defense with farmers only. The rest of us are not worthy of the same trust afforded to police and farmers.

Can anyone explain to me why it is not reasonable to disapprove?

lol are you being purposely obtuse or are you really missing what I am speaking about here?

arm up buddy...this demonstrates precisely what I am talking about.

happy hunting dude...are you on FB there's some people I can hook you up with who feel just like you
keep your three year old away from your weapons though okay, some azzhat didn't on the weekend and one baby killed their other baby

here ya go, in case you can't find it

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/124151-girl-3-shoots-kills-younger.html

 

[pgs]

lol are you being purposely obtuse or are you really missing what I am speaking about here?

arm up buddy...this demonstrates precisely what I am talking about.

happy hunting dude...are you on FB there's some people I can hook you up with who feel just like you
keep your three year old away from your weapons though okay, some azzhat didn't on the weekend and one baby killed their other baby

here ya go, in case you can't find it

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/124151-girl-3-shoots-kills-younger.html

Yup and I can probably find the one where the child got into a running car moved the gear shift and ran over his sister .
Lets ban all automobiles its for the children don't you know .

 

[Sal]

Yup and I can probably find the one where the child got into a running car moved the gear shift and ran over his sister .
Lets ban all automobiles its for the children don't you know .

did you even read what I wrote? no...or perhaps you would not have made such a stupid stupid remark, but do carry on, it just keeps reinforcing what I said