Get ready Canada, we’re about to have another epic battle over guns

[MHz]

Mom is on the right, why do you ask, you looking for a date?

 

[Curious Cdn]

Mom is on the right, why do you ask, you looking for a date?

Did the lobotomy hurt?

 

[Hoid]

I haven’t heard of too many farmers shooting up towns in Canada.

and therefore the rules for farmers should apply to everyone

 

[Danbones]

Is your's a picture of "Mother", up in the attic in her rocking chair?

lol, I think someone from decapoda's neighborhood likely has yer mom's butt covered

 

[MHz]

What happened to the lights, I was reading a post and everything just went black. WTF??

 

[taxslave]

More real news.


Get ready Canada, we’re about to have another epic battle over guns

Nearly six years later this summer, I’m not sure we’re going to hear Prime Minister Trudeau waxing on similarly about guns. Toronto is definitely not in the mood for that conversation. In fact, I think you could fairly say that Toronto has never been more anti-gun.

Gun control has never been one of Justin Trudeau’s favourite issues. But prime ministers don’t get to pick their controversies and like it or not, Toronto’s gun problem is fast becoming Trudeau’s gun problem.

Well, to be precise, gun control at this very moment is Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale’s problem, the only minister who was in cabinet in the early 1990s, the last time Liberals tackled tighter restrictions around firearms — with massive political consequences. If he’s having any nightmare flashbacks, Goodale is keeping those to himself for now.

Goodale told reporters Tuesday that the current Liberal government was looking into tightening up the Criminal Code provisions around handgun ownership — a process that was already under way before the tragic shooting on the Danforth in Toronto on Sunday night.

New firearms-control legislation, Bill C-71, was already introduced to Parliament earlier this year and Goodale said that Ottawa is still talking to the provinces about beefed-up laws surrounding gun storage in commercial facilities and keeping firearms out of the hands of people with mental health issues.

Those may seem like eminently sensible ideas right now, while Toronto is reeling from not just the latest tragedy but a summer of gun violence in the city. Right now, the pro-gun lobby in Canada — though not as powerful as the one in the U.S. — has been sensibly silent.

But are Liberals willing to risk reawakening that political giant? Through the years, gun control has proven to be one of the biggest fundraising draws for the federal Conservatives and one of the largest political liabilities for the Liberals.

It’s been said, perhaps mythically, that whenever Conservatives saw the coffers getting sparse, they’d churn out another letter to supporters, warning that Liberals were coming to take away people’s guns. Gun control, the story went, was so lucrative a fundraising source for the Conservatives that Stephen Harper’s government was reluctant to kill the Liberals’ long-gun registry when it got to power in 2006, wanting to keep it alive.

What is not a myth is that Jean Chrétien’s old gun registry seriously damaged Liberal prospects in rural Canada for nearly a generation. Someone, in fact, once called that very registry an abject failure.

That someone? Justin Trudeau, circa 2012, when he was running for the leadership of the party and campaigning in Hawkesbury, Ontario.

“The long-gun registry, as it was, was a failure and I’m not going to resuscitate that,” Trudeau said at the time, even going on to talk about how guns had always been a part of his life. This was when Trudeau was trying hard to demonstrate that he was not going to follow the same path as previous Liberal prime ministers, including his father, but also Chretien.

“Yes, the RCMP guarding me had handguns and I got to play with them every now and then,” Trudeau said about his years growing up as the PM’s son. “I was raised with an appreciation and an understanding of how important in rural areas and right across the country gun ownership is as a part of the culture of Canada. I do not feel that there’s any huge contradiction between keeping our cities safe from gun violence and gangs, and allowing this important facet of Canadian identity which is having a gun.”

Nearly six years later this summer, I’m not sure we’re going to hear Prime Minister Trudeau waxing on similarly about guns. Toronto is definitely not in the mood for that conversation. In fact, I think you could fairly say that Toronto has never been more anti-gun.

It was striking to hear Mayor John Tory flatly asking in the wake of the Danforth shooting why anyone in Toronto needed a gun. Politicians in Canada, especially conservative ones, are usually more careful about whipping up the gun advocates with questions like that.

Had Tory, or any other politician mused aloud like that during the days of the gun registry controversy, that might have cost him or her a future election.

Earlier this year, one of Chrétien’s former communications chiefs, Peter Donolo, wrote a piece in The Globe and Mail saying that Canada couldn’t afford to be smug about gun violence, and that this new wave of Liberal politicians had to be ready to tackle firearms control again.

Moreover, Donolo said, Liberals had to undo all the damage the Conservatives had done to gun-control measures while Harper was in power — scrapping the registry and expanding the market and the culture around gun ownership.

Easy for a past Liberal government spokesperson to say, perhaps, but not so politically easy for the current Trudeau government to declare. Gun control has so far been very low down on the agenda.

But events in Toronto this summer are not going to permit the government to keep the firearms talk on the back burner. Currently vacationing in British Columbia, Trudeau has so far said little beyond a brief statement of sympathy and promised support for Toronto. He’s going to be expected to say more — lots more — soon.

As the government does start thinking about how to deal with Toronto’s summer of the gun, it will surely be wondering whether this will end badly — politically speaking. Will the gun-filled summer of 2018 lead to trouble for Liberals in the election a year from now?

Or, more intriguingly, have we reached a point where even the old, powerful gun lobby feels the backlash for speaking out against firearms control? Will we see more politicians, as courageous as the Toronto mayor, speaking out against gun ownership altogether?

What is clear is that guns are back in the Liberals’ political sights, even if the Prime Minister didn’t aim them there.

https://ipolitics.ca/2018/07/24/get-ready-canada-were-about-to-have-another-epic-battle-over-guns/

Should be fun. Remember we have guns and the nutbars don't.

In any event what happens in Toronto doesn't concern the rest of the country. We have real problems to worry about.

I have no problem with tightening up controls of hand guns. I think the controls if done right could be effective. But you are asking the Liberals to do it so that pretty much guarantees it won't be done right.

The laws are already there, just not enforced. Cause criminals have rights.

and therefore the rules for farmers should apply to everyone

Yes.

 

[MHz]

You read the 'no trespassing laws' lately. They don't use rock salt anymore. Perhaps that style should be the only ammo sold within spittin distance of a city. Get shot in the face at close range and you shed a few tears until the salt is washed away.

 

[spilledthebeer]

You read the 'no trespassing laws' lately. They don't use rock salt anymore. Perhaps that style should be the only ammo sold within spittin distance of a city. Get shot in the face at close range and you shed a few tears until the salt is washed away.

Is it not amusing that LIE-berals are scrambling to cover up the TOTAL FAILURE of their policies!!!!!


They have lied about and misrepresented crime rates for decades!!!


Their policy of plea bargaining has made major crimes into minor ones and has mandated that we forget minor crimes entirely!!!!


Their gravy saving to release convicts \"for good behaviour" after serving one third of their sentence does nothing to rehabilitate prisoners-


does nothing to punish prisoners-

and does nothing to keep dangerous predators away from society!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIE-beral cowards have catered to radical groups and cut the cop budget and limited their powers of investigation!!!!!!!


LIE-beral immigration policy has encouraged a horde of unsuitable and ill educated people to come here and when they find the streets are not paved with gold- some turn to crime- with LIE-berals HIDING the extent of their immigration MESS!!!!



And now LIE-berals want to PRETEND THEY CAN FIX ALL THEIR MESSES BY BANNING GUNS!!!!!


HEY MORONS:


It is already illegal to possess a pistol without first taking firearms training and then passing a security check!!!!


It is already illegal for loons like the Danforth shooter to possess a gun of any sort!!!!!


Banning guns simply ensures that ONLY THE CRIMINALS will be armed!!!!!!!


Banning guns will do NOTHING to prevent guns fro, being smuggled in from United State!!!!!!!!!


LIE-berals say there has been a spike in the number of guns getting into criminal hands from Cdn sources and maybe we should ask if some of those guns are coming from native groups who have no problem profiting from breaking other Cdn laws!!!!


After all- when LIE-berals implemented their costly long gun registration FAILURE they EXEMPTED NATIVES from the registry since natives allegedly NEED firearms for subsistence hunting!!!!


If LIE-berals write new gun laws we can be assured that the same exemptions for natives will be in place- and native criminals CAN CONTINUE to sell guns and any other contraband they desire!!!!

 

[justlooking]

My other thought is that I know guns get stolen (a lot of the illegal ones are just that -- stolen legal handguns) and I think the only thing I would like to see is some sort of better security system mandatory for keeping guns safe. But no idea how you would legislate that.

Well then, maybe gun owners should keep the guns in a special safe in the basement of the police station.


Nice and safe down there...

 

[Ron in Regina]

Why not have different gun-control laws for different municipalities. For example, the Federal government could introduce two different sets of laws that it would authorize municipalities to choose from. This could mean stricter laws in urban areas than in rural for example. In other words, if you visit the city, leave your guns at home.

What gun laws.....first I want to say that I don't own a gun and have no plans of ever owning one. What Gun-Control laws do you propose that will affect the criminals that use them negatively instead of the law abiding citizens who legally own firearms? How will having different gun-control laws for different municipalities with two different sets of laws that it would authorize municipalities to choose from get criminals (who by definition don't follow the laws the rest of us do) to not have guns? Who will your proposed law target?



I don't want or need a gun, but I like the idea that a criminal doesn't know if I have one in my home or not.

 

[MHz]

Besides a short pipe makes less noise and no holes in the walls. (unless you swing and miss)

 

[Hoid]

its fine to hate guns and wish they would go away but the reality is that is not going to happen. There is no putting the genie back in the bottle.


The guns are there, both legal and illegal, so whatever solution you want to put in place has to proceed from there.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Turns out this particular gun was bought from the gangs and probably originated from the USA. Meaning any Canadian legislation would have had 0 effect.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Turns out this particular gun was bought from the gangs and probably originated from the USA. Meaning any Canadian legislation would have had 0 effect.

Border wall.

Just sayin'

 

[spilledthebeer]

What gun laws.....first I want to say that I don't own a gun and have no plans of ever owning one. What Gun-Control laws do you propose that will affect the criminals that use them negatively instead of the law abiding citizens who legally own firearms? How will having different gun-control laws for different municipalities with two different sets of laws that it would authorize municipalities to choose from get criminals (who by definition don't follow the laws the rest of us do) to not have guns? Who will your proposed law target?



I don't want or need a gun, but I like the idea that a criminal doesn't know if I have one in my home or not.

LIE-berals are DELIBERATELY IGNORING criminal reality here!!!!


The UGLY truth is that guns are smuggled into Canada on a DAILY BASIS from all manner of places- though United States is the major source!!!


LIE-berals do not want to admit that legally mandated self storage DOES NOT PREVENT criminals from buying guns!!!!!!!!


WE know that aggressive police investigation of criminal activities and serious punishment of hard core criminals will reduce crime!!!!


Irts just too bad LIE-berals REFUSE to take honest action- for fear of losing votes!!!!!!!!



Consider:





Here is yet another article illustrating POISONED LIE-beral immigration values!!!! With some comments of my own in brackets):

Bank teller who plotted heist getting boot from Canada.

By Brad Hunter. Published: June 25, 2018. Updated: June 25, 2018 4:05 PM EDT

Filed Under: Toronto SUN/ News/ Canada

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Kenza Belakziz bank robbery insider outside the Calgary Court Centre, Belakziz, 22, pleaded guilty a week ago to conspiracy to commit robbery in connection with a Nov. 26, 2014, heist at a Mission Bank of Montreal where she worked. POSTMEDIA

A Calgary bank teller will soon be riding the Marrakech Express.

Kenza Belakziz was sentenced to 18 months in jail for setting up a bank heist.

Her lawyer pleaded that a sentence that long would mean the bad banker would be deported to her native Morocco.

(Good riddance to foregin born thieves!)

But Justice David Gates said evidence presented by defence lawyer Greg Dunn to reduce her sentence wasn’t enough to get it below six months.

Belakziz pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit robbery in connection with a Nov. 24, 2014, heist at the Mission Bank of Montreal, where she worked.

Cops say she provided confidential information about the branch to her then-boyfriend Saleem Nasery, Lucas Windsor and Matthew Valdes.

She included a list of employees who would be present, the layout of the bank and the various locations where money was stored.

(Isnt it ODD that LIE-berals WILL NOT deport the convicted radical Muslim members of the notorious Toronto 18 terror who got caught plotting to blow up Toronto Stock Exchange, machine gun our parliament and behead the Prime Minister- but they WILL deport a lousy bank robber?)

(And what of the wanna be Muslim woman terrorist who tired to kill some customers at Cdn Tire in 2017? In her first court appearance she told the judge she hated Canada and wanted to plead guilty immediately so she could be deported home more quickly! And the LIE-beral hug a thug judge told her not to be so hasty and that she should consider her actions first!!!! She also told the judge that if she was let out on bail then she would attack us and try to kill again!! Judge took that part seriously and she has been held without bail!!!! With NO LIE-beral plan to deport the nubar Muslim radical!!!!)

(Of course part of the problem here the nutbar Cdb Tire Muslim attacker is LIE-berals have NO CLUE where the woman came from or how she got into Canada and so have no place to deport her to and do not want to discuss this crap publicly so hiding her in jail is probably considered good LIE-beral planning?)

She (the bank robber) moved to the U.S. when she was a child then they journeyed to Canada. While the rest of her family became Canadian citizens, Belakziz couldn’t be bothered.

But her lawyer said a medical report indicated that she suffers from PTSD, depression and anxiety. So, she should get a six-month sentence, he argued.

(Oh Lord!!!!! Yet ANOTHER ALLEGED crazy Muslim criminal!!!!! Sammy Yatim was let into Canada by LIE-berals in spite of his insanity! The Cdn Tire Muslim woman is crazy as a loon! The Muslim family of the recent Toronto Danforth shooter has gotten a Muslim spin doctor on side to explain to us that their killer relative was really mentally ill and we should not to take his actions personally! And now we have this Muslim bank robber with ALLEGED mental health issues! Muslims clearly think like LIE-berals - that mental illness is a great excuse for all manner of criminal idiocy!!!!!!)

(One has to suggest that LIE-berals are crazy if they think importing mentally ill immigrants coming to Canada is a good idea! And LIE-berals are certified NUTS if they really believe all these Muslim mental health excuses for Jihadist jerk attacks!!!! LIE-berals insist that the Danforth Muslim shooter was not a jihadist but Isis says he is “one of their soldiers”! So who is really crazy here- Muslim jihadists or the LIE-berals who want to buy their votes- at any price so LIE-berals can cling to power in the face of growing Cdn public anger?)

“Mr. Dunn, I have to follow the law,” the judge said. “I can’t use collateral consequences to reduce what is otherwise an appropriate sentence.”

The judge earlier rejected a joint sentencing submission from the Crown and defence asking for a sentence of six months less a day.

“A sentence of over six months is essentially going to banish a girl who has all her ties to Canada, or North America, who hasn’t been to the state of Morocco since she was two,” Dunn pleaded.

(I say GOOD RIDDANCE to her! WE must put up with criminals who are born here but we CAN AND SHOULD DUMP foreign criminals as an object lesson to others!!!!)

Belakziz reportedly tried to back out of the scheme — and even thwart the plot — and that’s why the Crown was willing to cut her some slack.

(Oh? And WHO SAYS she tried to back out of the scheme? Her lawyer?)

“She didn’t call the police, she didn’t even stay home, she was still there. It would be a much stronger argument … if she had actually taken some positive steps to stop this happening,” the judge said last October.

(Yeah- so the judge gets it in this case! These are just the usual Muslim apologies that are trotted out ONLY AFTER MUSLIMS GET CAUGHT!!!! It is no coincidence that the Quran explicitly allows Muslims to LIE to infidels in defence of Islam! A God knows we would not want Cdns to decide nutbar Muslim immigrants are a plague on our land- its just too bad that selfish LIE-berals want us to buy those stupid criminal Muslim excuses for their own selfish reasons!!!!)