Gene mutation might explain why we talk, chimps don't

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Maybe if I repeat the central dogma of molecular genetics, you might understand. A gene in DNA is transcribed to RNA which is translated into a polypeptide which is processed into a protein.

That one transcription factor affects the transcription of 112 other genes...

I think I'm about done with you.

You are projecting symbols over matter.

 

[Spade]

Why Chimps Don't Talk - Discretion?

FOXP2 gene shows why we can talk, but chimps can’t answer back - Times Online

Pity! Perhaps they could join a message board instead? Or, have they already?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Why Chimps Don't Talk - Discretion?

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Sorry, Ron. I didn't see this had already been done!

 

[AnnaG]

Human civilizations are really the products of written symbolic languages.

Wrong. Civilisations are the products of ideas. Communications can be made in a variety of media.

 

[AnnaG]

I am by far not an expert on the subject but interested. I cannot but wonder how many animals, if not all, have some method of smart communications.

Speech is man's way to do so but is not exclusive.. We communicate in other ways such as body language.

If talk is somehow a mutated form that can be engineered into other species it does lead to one to wonder what else is required for language skills.

Is reasoning a requirement as well ?

Only if the communication is meant to be lucid.

 

[AnnaG]

Psychoanalysts, not biologists, know why symbols have such powers.

Understanding why symbols represent "powers" can be used by anyone. Anthropologists and mythologists use symbology, also, for example.

 

[AnnaG]

This single mutation has certainly multiple effects in our genome but to speak of one transcription factor is abusive: strictly speaking, for a transcription to be possible, scripture has to exist already!

lmao

 

[AnnaG]

Maybe if I repeat the central dogma of molecular genetics, you might understand. A gene in DNA is transcribed to RNA which is translated into a polypeptide which is processed into a protein.

That one transcription factor affects the transcription of 112 other genes...

Much like a lot of occurences concerning life; it dominoes or snowballs, yes.

 

[AnnaG]

You are projecting symbols over matter.

lol And you are being obtuse. So what?

 

[AnnaG]

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I was kind of hoping that my mention of her and your posting her avi pic would bring her out of hiding. I've been wondering if she's in BC yet.

 

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Wrong. Civilisations are the products of ideas.

How can you know that apes have no ideas!?

 

[AnnaG]

How can you know that apes have no ideas!?

Who says apes don't have civilisations? What is a society? What is a group of creatures with common goals if not a society or civilisation?

 

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Who says apes don't have civilisations? What is a society? What is a group of creatures with common goals if not a society or civilisation?

Civilization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AnnaG]

Civilization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia is mostly written so that laymen can grasp concepts.

A civilization (or civilisation) is a complex society

Who says animals societies aren't complex?

or culture group characterized by dependence upon agriculture,

Everything living depends upon agriculture.[/quote] long-distance trade, state form of government,[/quote]What's a pecking order if not a form of government?

occupational specialization,

Some animals in a society are for breeding, some for working, some for defense. Look at ants, for instance.

urbanism,and class stratification.

What is a hive if not urban development? Back to the pecking order again.

Aside from these core elements, civilization is often marked by any combination of a number of secondary elements, including a developed transportation system, writing, standards of measurement (currency, etc.), formal legal system, great art style, monumental architecture, mathematics, sophisticated metallurgy, and astronomy.

The secondary elements are hinged upon the need for the society to investigate them. If the society isn't interested in these things, then it has no need to develop them. BTW, I bet quite a few creatures have looked at stars and whatnot and been curious about them.
I bet you think other animals don't use tools.

 

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For a start, apes are not cultivators at all.

 

[AnnaG]

For a start, apes are not cultivators at all.

lmao I'd stick to philosophy or something you stand a chance of looking reasonable intelligent, if I were you.

ScienceDaily (Sep. 3, 2009) — Chimpanzees in the Congo have developed specialised 'tool kits' to forage for army ants, reveals new research published today in the American Journal of Primatology. This not only provides the first direct evidence of multiple tool use in this context, but suggests that chimpanzees have developed a 'sustainable' way of harvesting food.

Chimpanzees Develop 'Specialized Tool Kits' To Catch Army Ants

 

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Hello!? Catching is not cultivating.

 

[AnnaG]

Hello!? Catching is not cultivating.

What the article said seems to have evaded you.

agriculture n. The science, art, and business of cultivating soil, producing crops, and raising livestock; farming.

However, by using the perforation tools the chimps can entice the ants out and can allow the insertion of the second tool for dipping. This not only reduces the ant's aggressive behaviour but may also be a 'sustainable harvesting' technique as the ants will stay in that location allowing the chimpanzees to revisit this renewable source of food.

 

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Ants are not soil.