Fraser report shows Ontario hydro prices surging at twice national average

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Price shock: Fraser report shows Ontario hydro prices surging at twice national average | CTV News

I guess if we sell our extra electricity at a loss to the states it would only make sense for Ontario business's to move there. Hopefully someone in the government somewhere can fix this problem without having to defer anything.

Ontario energy prices have skyrocketed significantly higher and faster than the rest of the country over the last nine years, with Torontonians paying twice the national average, according to a report from the right-leaning Fraser Institute.

Energy prices in Ontario shot up 71 per cent from 2008-2016, more than doubling the Canada-wide average increase of 34 per cent. The Fraser Institute says prices underwent a particularly significant spike from 2015-2016, when they surged by 15 per cent in Ontario.

“This was two-and-a-half times greater than the national average of six per cent during the same period,” the study authors wrote in their report

Toronto and Ottawa experienced the most significant price increases, according to the Fraser results. The average monthly residential electricity bill from 2010-2016 in Toronto, with taxes, was $77.09, making it double the national average of $37.68 in major Canadian cities over that period. Ottawa wasn’t far behind Toronto, with an average monthly bill of $66.96 from 2010-2016.

Last year, Torontonians paid an average of $60 more per month than the Canadian average of $141, while Ottawa residents paid $41 more than the average. For comparison’s sake, Montreal had the cheapest electricity bills of any major city in the country, with an average bill of $83 per month, or $58 cheaper than the national average in 2016.
They estimate that the average Toronto resident paid $720 more than the national average in 2016 alone.
The Fraser Institute’s comparative study showed the national average rising by 3.7 per cent annually from 2008-2016. Prices in Ontario jumped by 7.1 per cent over the same period, after registering an increase of just 3 per cent from 2002-2007.

British Columbia and Quebec energy prices were also on the rise from 2008-2016, while prices in Alberta were more erratic. Energy costs dipped from 2008-210, jumped in 2011 and then started trending downward from 2012-2016.
Price increases out of sync with other factors

The authors say the real of their report is the fact that energy prices rose far more rapidly than inflation, household spending or economic growth. The numbers show that from 2008-2015, Ontario prices increased 2.5 times faster than household disposable income, four times faster than inflation and 4.5 times faster than real GDP.
“That kind of disjunction tells you you have a problem,” Kenneth P. Green, who co-authored the study, told CTV Toronto.
The Fraser Institute says the high cost of electricity is a “made-in-Ontario problem directly tied to the provincial government’s policy choices.” The study laid much of the blame on the rollout of several renewable energy projects that have resulted in large additional costs for consumers in Ontario.

“Ontario’s high electricity prices can be attributed to poorly structured long term contracts, the phase-out of coal energy, and a growing electricity supply and demand imbalance in the province that is resulting in Ontario exporting electricity at a loss,” the study authors wrote. They urged the provincial government to reform its policies to bring the price of energy down closer to the national average.

“It’s government choices that led to this consequence,” said Green, who is the senior director at the Fraser Institute’s Center for Natural Resource Studies. “Really, they have to walk back from where they are toward where the rest of the world is going, which is natural gas, nuclear power, hydro(electric power) and not wind and solar power.”
Green said natural gas is a particularly cost-effective option for the province, and one that most of its neighbours in Canada and the U.S. are already taking advantage of.

“The continent is awash in natural gas, and nobody should be using anything else,” Green said.
Former Liberal premier Dalton McGuinty cancelled the construction of two gas-fired power plants in Oakville in 2010.
Premier Kathleen Wynne said at a Liberal convention last November that she had made a “mistake” by focusing too much on larger problems with the hydro system, instead of paying attention to consumers’ rising hydro bills.
Her government introduced legislation in March to lower the price of hydro bills by 25 per cent over the next 10 years. However, the plan defers those charges to a later date, as a “Clean Energy Adjustment” tax will eventually take effect to repay those savings over 20 years.

The Liberal Party has held sway in Ontario since McGuinty led the party to victory in 2003. His successor, Kathleen Wynne, has been in power since 2013.
 

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10larry

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The new wynne ads about a 25% reduction in hydro rates with increases tied to inflation for four years is just too rich. Double hydro rates then trim them by 1/4 and promise not to impose any more dumb green energy incentives for awhile. Queens park did a fine job in presenting a public utility as a blue chip investment for investors and shares are selling fast. Typical lib bs will buy votes but when 4 years are up hydro one stakeholders will reap mega reward at ontarians expense, our kids will pay n' pay n' pay.. wynne is a very expensive wuss.
Hydro One signs deal to buy U.S. utility company Avista for $6.7B in cash | Globalnews.ca
 

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I'm surprised the Fraser Institute weighed in on this. After all, some of increase in electricity prices is Ontario is due to the fact that the government handed a number of lucrative contracts to the private sector. And I quote:

The Ontario Energy Board is the independent body that regulates electricity pricing in the province, but not all electricity pricing. It has little ability to control the price paid to electricity generators, other than Ontario Power Generation's nuclear plants at Pickering and Darlington and most of OPG's hydroelectric dams. Anytime OPG wants to increase these prices, it has to seek approval from the board.

Ontario will rebate the eight per cent provincial portion of the HST off hydro bills starting in January. Other than that, Energy Minister Glenn Thibeault is ruling out further taxpayer-funded subsidies to lower electricity rates. (Pierre-Olivier Bernatchez/CBC)

But the OEB does not have that power over private producers. They negotiate prices directly with the government and have negotiated some rather profitable contracts, since that is their motive. They now account for about half of all the electricity generated in Ontario, therefore a significant chunk of your hydro bill is out of the reach of the regulator that's supposed to protect the interests of consumers.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-hydro-bills-1.3860314
 

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I'm surprised the Fraser Institute weighed in on this. After all, some of increase in electricity prices is Ontario is due to the fact that the government handed a number of lucrative contracts to the private sector. And I quote:

The Ontario Energy Board is the independent body that regulates electricity pricing in the province, but not all electricity pricing. It has little ability to control the price paid to electricity generators, other than Ontario Power Generation's nuclear plants at Pickering and Darlington and most of OPG's hydroelectric dams. Anytime OPG wants to increase these prices, it has to seek approval from the board.

Ontario will rebate the eight per cent provincial portion of the HST off hydro bills starting in January. Other than that, Energy Minister Glenn Thibeault is ruling out further taxpayer-funded subsidies to lower electricity rates. (Pierre-Olivier Bernatchez/CBC)

But the OEB does not have that power over private producers. They negotiate prices directly with the government and have negotiated some rather profitable contracts, since that is their motive. They now account for about half of all the electricity generated in Ontario, therefore a significant chunk of your hydro bill is out of the reach of the regulator that's supposed to protect the interests of consumers.

Why hydro bills are so high in Ontario - Toronto - CBC News

Not just handed over but queens park mandated a premium rate to lure investment so steep even this broom riding preem had to admit was a tad ridiculous...only after it sold plenty of shares in hydro one of course.
 

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I'm surprised the Fraser Institute weighed in on this. After all, some of increase in electricity prices is Ontario is due to the fact that the government handed a number of lucrative contracts to the private sector. And I quote:

The Ontario Energy Board is the independent body that regulates electricity pricing in the province, but not all electricity pricing. It has little ability to control the price paid to electricity generators, other than Ontario Power Generation's nuclear plants at Pickering and Darlington and most of OPG's hydroelectric dams. Anytime OPG wants to increase these prices, it has to seek approval from the board.

Ontario will rebate the eight per cent provincial portion of the HST off hydro bills starting in January. Other than that, Energy Minister Glenn Thibeault is ruling out further taxpayer-funded subsidies to lower electricity rates. (Pierre-Olivier Bernatchez/CBC)

But the OEB does not have that power over private producers. They negotiate prices directly with the government and have negotiated some rather profitable contracts, since that is their motive. They now account for about half of all the electricity generated in Ontario, therefore a significant chunk of your hydro bill is out of the reach of the regulator that's supposed to protect the interests of consumers.

Why hydro bills are so high in Ontario - Toronto - CBC News
Here is the part you conveniently forgot to quote, who the private producer are....
2. Pricey green energy


Wind, solar and bio-energy account for 6.3 per cent of total electricity generated in the province, but 16.3 per cent of the total generation cost, according to the auditor general's recent investigation into hydro prices. Auditor Bonnie Lysyk criticized the government for offering overly generous contracts when it launched its big green energy push in 2009. Despite shifting gears to a competitive bidding process, the auditor found that in 2014, Ontario was still paying "double the market price for wind and 3½ times the market price for solar energy."
 

DaSleeper

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It's that damned long term contract that Ontario got into with the ne North east states with no thoughts about future inflation....
It might actually be cheaper to pay the heavy fines in breaking the contract than what we are paying now....
 

Bar Sinister

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Here is the part you conveniently forgot to quote, who the private producer are....

So 6.3 percent is due to the huge increase in electricity costs. I wonder how that works? In any case it does not contradict my point that private energy producers got lucrative contracts. In fact it confirms it.
 

DaSleeper

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Still casting a blind eye on the fact that alternate energy sources such as wind , solar etc.....while they are only 6% of the production contribute to 16% of the increase in cost....almost three times their contribution...


 

10larry

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Blaming the gta for corruption and political maleficence misses the mark, libs infesting queens park merit this honour.
 

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I was referring to the over abundance of people. But corruption, crack smoking and politics .......the people's choice
 

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So 6.3 percent is due to the huge increase in electricity costs. I wonder how that works? In any case it does not contradict my point that private energy producers got lucrative contracts. In fact it confirms it.

The n private energy producers being Bruce Power and a bunch of wind and solar scams.
 

MHz

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Québec would happy to sell electricity to Ontario, but free trade is bad!
Quebec gets it's power from NFLD and then they raise the price so they make a killing while screwing the host Province. Ontario and Quebec are always screwing the other Provinces just so they remain top dog. Time to sent them both to the bottom of the sewer as that is where liars and thieves belong.
 

10larry

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The n private energy producers being Bruce Power and a bunch of wind and solar scams.

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Despite wynne & co. slithering out of a chunk of their $9.7bil green deal after silly citizens complained when hydro rates were approaching orbit samsung still luv$ ontario. Ontarians just don't understand the importance of white collar jobs.
 

MHz

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Ontarians don't know that big biz runs the Government. The pay the taxpayers chip is a bonus for high class means and expensive vacations and probably a few expensive hookers.