Ford tries to clarify his comments on gun criminals and immigration

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John McKay?

He's one of the few Liberals that actually has a smidgen of credibility because of his criticism of the F-35 procurement. He's partly the reason why Canadians are aware of the Conservatives deliberately misleading them by denying $10 Billion in operational costs when they quoted the jet procurement pricetag just before the last election.

Johnny's one of the good guys.

 
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Yep, much better to make him/her someone else's problem!

I said "necessarily". Of curse it could depend on the details. In some cases let's say it's just a matter of a minor assault under special circumstances such as extreme provocation. In such an instance, exile from the city for a period of time might be sufficient rather than imprisonment as a sort of cool down period to keep them away from retaliatory attacks for awhile. especially if the person were a model citizen quite capable of being a productive memebr of society otherwise. Or some other such example.
 
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I said "necessarily". Of of curse it could depend on the details. In some cases let's say it's just a matter of a minor assault under special circumstances such as extreme provokation. In such an instance, exile from the city for a period of time might be sufficient rather than imprisonment as a sort of cool down period to keep them away from retaliatory attacks for awhile. especially if the person were a moderl citizen quite capable of being a productive memebr of society otherwise. Or some other such example.

My comment was "tongue in cheek" :lol:
 

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Dalton McGuinty, Rob Ford to debate Toronto’s gun problem today after string of shootings

Premier Dalton McGuinty warns his gun summit today with the mayor and police chief of Toronto will not come up with a quick solution to the city’s gun problem.

There have been more than 200 shootings in Toronto so far this year, but today’s meeting was triggered by last Monday’s gun fight at a community barbecue that left two dead and 23 wounded.

McGuinty agrees that more police resources would help, but says there must also be more programs to steer youth away from guns and gangs.

He says there must also be more programs that reach out and engage young people, but notes there are no quick fixes to the problem.

Mayor Rob Ford doesn’t want more money spent on what he calls “hug-a-thug” programs for troubled youth.

McGuinty calls that short-sighted, and says it shows a lack of understanding of just how complex the problem really is.

“I think the question for all of us in government right now to ask ourselves is what can we bring to the table,” said McGuinty.

The premier also called on the federal government to ban handguns.

“[It] sends the appropriate signal to society as a whole that we are going to … develop a different gun culture here in Canada than they have in other parts of the world, including just south of the border,” he said.

“I think that’s an important part of the solution, but it’s hardly the be all end all.”

The premier met with community leaders in Scarborough Friday to prepare for today’s meeting, which will also include Ontario’s attorney general and community safety minister and police Chief Bill Blair.
Margaret Parsons of the African-Canadian Legal Clinic said the community doesn’t want “cool down money” that won’t have a lasting impact on the problem.

“We don’t want stop-gap measures,” said Parsons.

“We want long-term approaches to dealing with youth violence and youth crime that have proven to work.”

Mayor Ford said he also wants a meeting with Prime Minister Stephen Harper to ask for a federal law to keep convicted criminals out of Toronto.

“I’m going to find out if there’s some way that if anyone is caught with a gun and they come out of jail, they’re not allowed to live in the city,” said Ford.

Dalton McGuinty, Rob Ford to debate Toronto’s gun problem today after string of shootings | Posted Toronto | National Post
 

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They should just ban handguns. No handguns in Canada. That will stop them from shooting each other. Sure it would. Absolutely. Ban the handguns! Ban em! Ban em! Ban em!

They should just ban handguns. No handguns in Canada. That will stop them from shooting each other. Sure it would. Absolutely. Ban the handguns! Ban em! Ban em! Ban em!

They should just ban handguns. No handguns in Canada. That will stop them from shooting each other. Sure it would. Absolutely. Ban the handguns! Ban em! Ban em! Ban em!

They should just ban handguns. No handguns in Canada. That will stop them from shooting each other. Sure it would. Absolutely. Ban the handguns! Ban em! Ban em! Ban em!

 

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They should just ban handguns. No handguns in Canada. That will stop them from shooting each other. Sure it would. Absolutely. Ban the handguns! Ban em! Ban em! Ban em!

They should just ban handguns. No handguns in Canada. That will stop them from shooting each other. Sure it would. Absolutely. Ban the handguns! Ban em! Ban em! Ban em!

They should just ban handguns. No handguns in Canada. That will stop them from shooting each other. Sure it would. Absolutely. Ban the handguns! Ban em! Ban em! Ban em!

They should just ban handguns. No handguns in Canada. That will stop them from shooting each other. Sure it would. Absolutely. Ban the handguns! Ban em! Ban em! Ban em!

lol Except that would piss off people like me, who like target-shooting, and those who like collecting.
 

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Toronto police funding 'huge victory,' says Mayor Ford




Queen's Park gun summit nets continued anti-guns funding



Mayor Rob Ford left a meeting at Queen’s Park this afternoon with a commitment of continued money for a program dedicated to getting guns and gangs off the street, saying Premier Dalton McGuinty has made a commitment to continue funding for TAVIS (Toronto Anti-Violence Intervention Strategy).

Funding for the program, which has run for the last six years, was set to run out next year.


Monday morning Ford told a local Toronto radio station he wanted McGuinty to give Toronto between $5 and $10 million to add officers to the city’s anti-gang police unit.

“I’m taking a very simplistic approach – money talks and B.S. walks and I’m not going to sit there and listen to some B.S. and some reports, and yada yada,” Ford said.


Mayor Ford will also be meeting with Harper on Tuesday at 12:40 p.m. at 43 Division to discuss gun violence.

At that meeting, Ford plans to talk to Harper about “making this city a safe city for everyone who comes here on vacation, to work, to live. We can’t have this gun play to continue. I’m going to do everything to elminate it.”




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Mayor Rob Ford, Premier Dalton McGuinty, Police Chief Blair talk gun violence - thestar.com

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/07/23/ford-summit-gun-police214.html
 

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Rob Ford's fictional rhetoric vs. facts

In the wake of the recent shootings in Toronto, there is no shortage of right wing rhetoric being spewed. In an effort to provide balance with some actual facts, consider the following:

Rob Ford’s rhetoric on the relationship between crime and community grants:
It’s a proven fact that when we had the most murders in the city, it was the same time that we had the most grants. I think we handed out over $50 million that year in grants. Throwing money at the problem, and having these, I call ‘hug-a-thug programs,’ they just do not work,” he said.
Facts:
"Ford’s stated “fact” is incorrect. Homicides peaked in 2007, with 86. The Community Partnership and Investment Program, which handles grants, had a budget of about $42 million that year. CPIP’s budget rose in future years as homicides dropped steadily; it gave out a high of $47 million in grants in 2011, when the city recorded 48 homicides, the fewest since amalgamation."

[from Daniel Dale’s Toronto Star article Mayor Rob Ford wants Ottawa to use immigration laws against convicted gang members [Rob Ford wants Ottawa to use immigration laws against gun crimes - thestar.com]
Rob Ford’s rhetoric on neighbourhood funding:
"Asked about priority neighbourhood funding, [Rob Ford] said: 'I think they should start investing in jobs. The bottom line is you or anyone else can come out there and invest and open up a business that creates jobs. That’s the best social program around, is a job.' "
Fact:
Last week the small-government advocate was the lone vote against all city community development grants. In June, he alone voted against accepting federal funds for a gang-prevention program that will cost the city nothing."
[from David Rider’s Toronto Star article Rob Ford says best remedy for shootings is jobs Rob Ford says best remedy for shootings is jobs - thestar.com]
Let's be reminded that Toronto had 25 homicides by the end of June 2012, putting the city on pace for 50 homicides this year - which is lower than the pace it has maintained for the last 30 years. Toronto's homicide rate of 1.8 per 100,000 citizens is far and away among the lowest for any big city in the world, and no amount of rhetoric and misinformation can change this reality - pound for pound, Toronto is a safe big city.

Toronto My Way: Rob Ford's fictional rhetoric vs. facts


Toronto police funding 'huge victory,' says Mayor Ford

Talk about misleading.

In the political wake of the recent gun violence, Mayor Rob Ford asked Premier Dalton McGuinty for more money for policing, and he got it. Sort of. McGuinty announced Monday that the Province will continue to dedicate $5 million annually to the Toronto Anti-Violence Intervention Strategy, or TAVIS. That’s a thing that’s been happening already. So now it’s just still happening. The Province is also fast-tracking some funding for community programs. Up next, the mayor will ask Prime Minister Stephen Harper for more money for policing.

Newsstand: July 24, 2012 | news | Torontoist
 

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Rob Ford to ask PM for 'stable funding' in battle against guns



Mayor Rob Ford is due to meet with Prime Minister Stephen Harper Tuesday to talk about gun violence.

The two will have a noon-hour meeting at Toronto Police’s 43 Division in Scarborough. The police station is near the Danzig St. mass shooting that left two dead and 23 injured just over a week ago.

Tuesday’s meeting comes a day after Ford met with Premier Dalton McGuinty and Toronto Police Chief Bill Blair to discuss gun violence.

Despite vowing to go into the meeting with a “money talks and BS walks” approach and a request for $5 million to $10 million to hire more TAVIS officers, Ford emerged with a commitment from McGuinty to make the TAVIS funding permanent.


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Rob Ford to ask PM for 'stable funding' in battle against guns | Toronto & GTA | News | Toronto Sun
 

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In the wake of the recent shootings in Toronto, there is no shortage of right wing rhetoric being spewed. In an effort to provide balance with some actual facts, consider the following:
Misleading crap from the Star.
Rob Ford’s rhetoric on the relationship between crime and community grants:
It’s a proven fact that when we had the most murders in the city, it was the same time that we had the most grants. I think we handed out over $50 million that year in grants. Throwing money at the problem, and having these, I call ‘hug-a-thug programs,’ they just do not work,” he said.
Facts:
"Ford’s stated “fact” is incorrect. Homicides peaked in 2007, with 86. The Community Partnership and Investment Program, which handles grants, had a budget of about $42 million that year. CPIP’s budget rose in future years as homicides dropped steadily; it gave out a high of $47 million in grants in 2011, when the city recorded 48 homicides, the fewest since amalgamation."

[from Daniel Dale’s Toronto Star article Mayor Rob Ford wants Ottawa to use immigration laws against convicted gang members [Rob Ford wants Ottawa to use immigration laws against gun crimes - thestar.com]

He was referring to "Summer of the gun", when Miller's community programs were at an all time high.

Rob Ford’s rhetoric on neighbourhood funding:
"Asked about priority neighbourhood funding, [Rob Ford] said: 'I think they should start investing in jobs. The bottom line is you or anyone else can come out there and invest and open up a business that creates jobs. That’s the best social program around, is a job.' "
Fact:
Last week the small-government advocate was the lone vote against all city community development grants. In June, he alone voted against accepting federal funds for a gang-prevention program that will cost the city nothing."
[from David Rider’s Toronto Star article Rob Ford says best remedy for shootings is jobs Rob Ford says best remedy for shootings is jobs - thestar.com

That would be cool, if the community programs and the anti gang funding had anything to do with JOBS.
Thanks for reminding me why the Star is worthy the bottom of bird cages, only.

 

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Community defends Toronto 'hug a thug' programs

Coddling or curing? That's the essence of the debate rekindled by a spate of gun violence in Toronto, questioning the value of spending taxpayers' money to fund social programs aimed at curbing youth violence and gang activity.

After two people died and 23 others were injured in a hail of gunfire at an east-end Toronto community block party on July 16, Toronto Mayor Rob Ford declared war on street criminals, vowing to throw anyone convicted of a gun crime out of the city.

Ford, who had cast the only vote on city council against granting more than $13 million to community programs across Toronto the week before, suggested employment is the best way to set at-risk youth on the right path.

"You get these people working, the best social program is a job, I've always said that,” he told reporters the day after the shooting.

"I don't believe in these programs. I call them 'hug a thug' programs, and they haven't been very productive in the past, and I don’t know why we're continuing with them."

But the director of programs and services at YouthLink, an organization that provides social services throughout the city's east-end and downtown core, says the mayor is oversimplifying a complex issue.

"We all long for a simple, easy, fast answer to a very complex problem, and it's most unfortunate because our programs have really come along," Watson told CTV's Canada AM on Tuesday.

"We have a fabulous return on investment in social programs, at a fraction of the cost of incarceration," she added, explaining the political problem is that they require a long-term approach.

Jacob is a graduate of one of those programs with roots dating back to 1998. Developed by the Canadian Training Institute, “Breaking the Cycle” has drawn funding over the years from the City of Toronto, Human Resources and Skill Development Canada, and the National Crime Prevention Centre.

Growing up in Toronto's Jane and Finch neighbourhood, Jacob told Canada AM he was associating with the wrong crowd until he discovered the program for at-risk youth aged 15-30. Once he got involved, he learned a valuable lesson.

"I don't have to try and be somebody because of my environment, I could try to step outside my environment and be who I am," he told Canada AM.

And even now, as a graduate of the program, he values being able to draw on the resources there.

"When I come across certain obstacles in life that I can't seem to cross, I could always turn to a group of people that I could always resort to and get answers from."

In her own experience with the program, Monique highlighted how that kind of support has boosted her self-reliance.

"Basically learning how to put yourself in a situation where you have to self-motivate yourself and not depend on other people to do that for you," she said.

Echoing Jacob, she also said it helped to realize who was influencing her decisions in life.

"And if it's not a positive influence then you kind of have to think about what you're doing first and just push yourself to understand this is not the right way to go," she said.

For Watson, those kinds of success stories should encourage politicians to consider the roots of youth violence, and consider funding the programs where people know the issues and how to deal with them.