Ford government admits they can't do what they promised

spilledthebeer

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Ford will triple Ontario electricity emissions by scrapping green initiatives and going with gas and a plan that cannot succeed.
https://www.nationalobserver.com/20...-can-expect-electricity-emissions-triple-2030
meanwhile in California progress is being made.
https://electrek.co/2020/02/27/tesla-1gwh-megapack-battery-project-pge-approved/

Tesla’s massive 1GWh Megapack battery project with PG&E is approved






OH hemerHOID.................................


YOU DO HAVE A VERY SHORT ATTENTION SPAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WE HAVE ALREADY TORN YOUR electric TOY car NONSENSE PROPAGANDA TO DISGRACED SHREDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NOW WE WILL DO IT FOR YOU AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






Here is one of those articles that LIE-berals will not want to talk about! With some comments of my own in brackets):

The Dirt on Clean Electric Cars

New research shows some drivers might spew out less CO2 with a diesel engine.

By Niclas Rolander, Jesper Starn, and Elisabeth Behrmann

Published October 15, 2018, 11:00 PM EDT

Why Electric Cars Aren't Taking Over Yet

Beneath the hoods of millions of the clean electric cars rolling onto the world’s roads in the next few years will be a dirty battery.

Every major carmaker has plans for electric vehicles to cut greenhouse gas emissions, yet their manufacturers are, by and large, making lithium-ion batteries in places with some of the most polluting grids in the world.

(Yes- the dirty little electric Toy car secret is that mining Lithium and refining it into batteries are both producing high levels of toxic dust and assorted nasty residues that are as bad or worse than oil production! At the urging of selfish LIE-berals we are switching from one form of pollution to another-just as bad!!)

By 2021, capacity will exist to build batteries for more than 10 million cars running on 60 kilowatt-hour packs, according to data of Bloomberg NEF. Most supply will come from places like China, Thailand, Germany and Poland that rely on non-renewable sources like coal for electricity.

(And this is a second dirty little electric Toy car secret- that much of the electricity need to charge the electric Toy cars is a LONG WAY OFF being clean! Many countries still rely on coal fired generators!)

(Even here in Ontari-owe- after 15 years of hugely costly LIE-beral effort to make us clean and green- our power grid has substantial wind and solar generation capacity - but it is SO UNRELIABLE that LIE-berals were forced to make an entire back up system powered by natural gas! It would have been cheaper and just as clean to simply use natural gas and FORGET wind and solar power here!)

(Yes- Ontari-owe MUST HAVE a natural gas plant - for each wind or solar farm- with the gas plants kept fully manned and fully powered up and sitting idle and just waiting to take over at a moments notice when the wind stops blowing or the sun goes behind a cloud! LIE-berals DO NOT COUNT that fossil fueled gas back up system when they boast about Zero emission electric Toy cars!!)

Not So Green?

Year 1 includes manufacturing-stage emissions. Predictions based on carbon tailpipe emissions and energy mix in 2017.

Source: Berylls Strategy Advisors

“We’re facing a bow wave of additional CO2 emissions,” said Andreas Radics, a managing partner at Munich-based automotive consultancy Berylls Strategy Advisors, which argues that for now, drivers in Germany or Poland may still be better off with an efficient diesel engine.

(In other words - simply setting up the green system is producing it own green house emissions- that LIE-berals re not counting either! All that concrete and steel for wind towers and the aluminum necessary for wiring to the grid!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The findings, among the more bearish ones around, show that while electric cars are emission-free on the road, they still discharge a lot of the carbon-dioxide that conventional cars do.

Just to build each car battery—weighing upwards of 500 kilograms (1,100 pounds) in size for sport-utility vehicles—would emit up to 74 percent more C02 than producing an efficient conventional car if it’s made in a factory powered by fossil fuels in a place like Germany, according to Berylls’ findings.

(And of course LIE-berals are also forgetful about what it will cost in the future to recycle those millions of batteries! Simply transporting all that mega tonnage of old batteries to a suitable facility will consume much fossil fuel - and LIE- berals aint counting that cost either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

(And Lithium is so toxic it cannot simply be put in a land fill! Lithium bursts into raging flames on contact with air so disposal of old batteries will be COSTLY and time consuming and a potentially dangerous fire hazard!)

Yet regulators haven’t set out clear guidelines on acceptable carbon emissions over the life cycle of electric cars, even as the likes of China, France and the U.K. move toward outright bans of combustion engines.

(Western LIE-berals are focused on how to maintain their entitlements - while using their alleged environmental concerns as a screen for their GREED!!!!!!!!!!!! This is why they told us the Paris Accord was so vital and now a few years later they are telling us the Paris Accord is USELESS! Exactly as the anti LIE-beral critics claimed when the Accord was proposed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

“It will come down to where is the battery made, how is it made, and even where do we get our electric power from,” said Henrik Fisker, chief executive officer and chairman of Fisker Inc., a California-based developer of electric vehicles.

For perspective, the average German car owner could drive a gas-guzzling vehicle for three and a half years, or more than 50,000 kilometers, before a Nissan Leaf with a 30 kWh battery would beat it on carbon-dioxide emissions in a coal-heavy country, Berylls estimates show.

(And a we have seen LIE-berals fudge the numbers at every stage of electric Toy car production and use and eventual disposal! With the added bonus that Lithium batteries suffer drastic drastic reductions in range and service life in a cold northern climate- anything below 10 Celsius is HARD for them!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

The Dirt on Electric Car Batteries

(There have been several work stoppages at the Tesla Giga factory as a result of higher than expected levels of toxic Lithium dust- both inside the factory and in towns down wind from the factory!)

(In addition there is growing complaint from inside China over pollution from Lithium mines and refineries but the Chinese Soviet dictators- with their notorious indifference to human rights- have clamped down on complainers as China badly wants the western hard currency that Lithium sales generate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Battery makers plan factories in Germany, Poland, where coal is still king

Capacity includes plants announced and under construction. Actual energy generation in 2017.

Sources: Bloomberg New Energy Finance, European Network of Transmission System Operators for Electricity

And that’s one of the smallest batteries on the market: BMW’s i3 has a 42 kWh battery, Mercedes’s upcoming EQC crossover will have a 80 kWh battery, and Audi’s e-tron will come in at 95 kWh.

With such heavy batteries, an electric car’s carbon footprint can grow quite large even beyond the showroom, depending on how it’s charged. Driving in France, which relies heavily on nuclear power, will spit out a lot less CO2 than Germany, where 40 percent of the grid burns on coal.

(But even nuclear power consumes substantial amounts of fossil fuel and LIE-berals DO NOT COUNT THAT HONESTLY EITHER!!!! For one thing, massive quantities of concrete are needed to create the immense concrete vaults that nuclear waste is buried in! It is not just spent fuel rods that the nuclear industry must bury for centuries! There is all manner of other gear that gets contaminated!)

(A nuclear power plant is just a big steam engine and it has a lot of plumbing- which needs to be replaced from time to time so there is a constant flow of old irradiated pipes and tools and clip boards and ladders and safety suits and other gear to long term concrete storage! Along with a steady flow of fluids that have been used to clean, decontaminate or degrease the facility and it ALL has to be trucked away and stored in concrete containers and buried by diesel powered machinery! Nuclear power is not nearly so clean as its supporters claim!!!!!!!!!!!)

“It’s not a great change to move from diesel to German coal power,” said NorthVolt AB CEO Peter Carlsson, a former Tesla manager who is trying to build a 4-billion-euro ($4.6 billion) battery plant in Sweden that would run on hydropower. “Electric cars will be better in every way, but of course, when batteries are made in a coal-based electricity system it will take longer” to surpass diesel engines, he said.

To be sure, other studies show that even in coal-dominant Poland, using an electric car would emit 25 percent less carbon dioxide than a diesel car, according to Transport & Environment Brussels, a body that lobbies the European Union for sustainable environmental policy.

(IF ONLY we could TRUST the LIE-beral numbers! And based on Wynne-bag Ontari-owe LIE-beral assurances about the low cost and great benefits that would come from surrendering to their mouldy green energy plan- that has turned into a costly disaster- there is NO REASON to believe ANYTHING that lobbyists from the electric Toy car industry tell us!!!!!!!)

(The hard truth is there are other, MORE EFFECTIVE WAYS of saving the environment- it is just too bad that LIE-berals don’t want to LOOK at the other options ! LIE-berals LIKE electric Toy cars for the GRAVY they hope the Toys will generate for them! As spin doctors from B.C. Hydro have explained -there can be “windfall profits” from electric Toy cars- meaning they are grand for PRICE GOUGING gullible tax payers on electricity charges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 

Hoid

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I thought it was because he was a genuinely stupid person who was in way over his head.
 

spilledthebeer

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I thought it was because he was a genuinely stupid person who was in way over his head.




Those of us who have read your posts and become familiar with the quality of your thought


do not find it hard to believe you are ENTIRELY MISTAKEN ABOUT EVERYTHING!


Including being mistaken about Doug Ford!
 

Hoid

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Ontario said to be close to a new deal with at least one of the teachers unions.

I wonder why.
 

Avro52

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Ontario said to be close to a new deal with at least one of the teachers unions.
I wonder why.
Well, I'd like to see the teachers ask for more money now. Remember what happened to William Wallace? That x100.
 

spilledthebeer

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Ontario said to be close to a new deal with at least one of the teachers unions.

I wonder why.




POOR PITIFUL hemerHOID - he is SO DISCONNECTED FROM REALITY that he has not noticed that Wuhan Virus is BANKRUPTING


our govt and our economy! Teacher HOGS are cert5ainly GREEDY but not especially STUPID!


Thus teacher HOGS would BE WISE to make a deal NOW - before the full Wuhan COST HITS HOME!
 

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I thought it was because he was a genuinely stupid person who was in way over his head.
Nah, the genuinely stupid people are like you and Horgan who oppose pipelines and Alberta oil and then whine about the high price of gas, begging Alberta to increase gasoline shipments. Now THAT'S genuinely f*cking stupid.
 

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Ford has managed to parlay a number of problems and rotating strikes into a complete work stoppage scheduled for the 21st.
Not anymore. :lol: And the best part is, they f*cked themselves out of any financial assistance the provincial govt is handing out to other sectors.


Headline: Ontario teachers initiate a complete work stoppage. Not a single soul in Ontario notices, or cares right now. :lol:
 

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Nah, the genuinely stupid people are like you and Horgan who oppose pipelines and Alberta oil and then whine about the high price of gas, begging Alberta to increase gasoline shipments. Now THAT'S genuinely f*cking stupid.
95.9 in Kamloops Friday and no lineups .
 

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In Doug Ford daily presser he called the federal government response to the crisis outstanding and thanked them effusively for the amount of money they brought in.

This is the sort of thing that must not be discussed around here.

This is the equivalent of saying climate change is not a hoax.
 

Hoid

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Ford is clearly scared and humbled by the magnitude of this thing.

Perhaps the best thing I have ever seen out of him.
 

Avro52

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Ford is clearly scared and humbled by the magnitude of this thing.
Perhaps the best thing I have ever seen out of him.


Notice how he doesn't lay blame, doesn't attack the media, shows real empathy, seems eager and willing to work with other levels of government, doesn't talk about ratings, never whines, doesn't accuse hospital staff of stealing PPE's, isn't lying, listens to expert advice, etc etc....

He's been very good and unifying.

I'm very impressed.
 

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Notice how he doesn't lay blame, doesn't attack the media, shows real empathy, seems eager and willing to work with other levels of government, doesn't talk about ratings, never whines, doesn't accuse hospital staff of stealing PPE's, isn't lying, listens to expert advice, etc etc....

He's been very good and unifying.

I'm very impressed.


Doug Ford has really impressed me during this pandemic. He shows true empathy for his fellow citizens. He praises those that deserve it and condemns those that need to check their privilege. Well done Premier Ford. Keep up the good work.