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dumpthemonarchy

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Re: BC reserve proposes private hospital for wealthy medical patients

Of course everyone is ignoring the big pink elephant in the room...

If our government(s) were to quit wasting money on stupid sh*t and pork-barrel special interest programs and actually provide fully-funded complete health care for every Canadian as they are mandated to do then we wouldn't have any arguments about private hospitals.

Isn't it time to start holding the government accountable to do what they are mandated to do under the constitution which is provide infrastructure, essential services and regulate commerce. Everything else they do is over and above what the mandate of the constitution specifies and is a waste of taxpayer money!!!!

Totally. The govt wastes about $100 billion in tax credits like the bogus research credit. Cut that, save $5 billion. Raise corporate taxes a few points too. The Harperbu****es are looking long in the tooth these days.
 

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NO private hospitals.
lol Such a well-reasoned reply. Nothing rational to say? Just "no"? No reason? No facts? No evidence at all?

So it must make you happy that Canadians who have the money, decide to spend it elsewhere and the rest sit at home in pain waiting for someone in Canada to fix their health problem. And that people in rural areas have to take time off work, travel to urban areas to get medical services that city people take for granted and yet get meager pittances as compensation. Just because of some irrational idea that all healthcare in Canada is "universal" and should stay that way.
So where's the skin off anyone's nose if this hospital is privately funded?

read this and educate yourself, Sopitum Unum. http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/researchpublications/prb0552-e.htm

Of course everyone is ignoring the big pink elephant in the room...

If our government(s) were to quit wasting money on stupid sh*t and pork-barrel special interest programs and actually provide fully-funded complete health care for every Canadian as they are mandated to do then we wouldn't have any arguments about private hospitals.

Isn't it time to start holding the government accountable to do what they are mandated to do under the constitution which is provide infrastructure, essential services and regulate commerce. Everything else they do is over and above what the mandate of the constitution specifies and is a waste of taxpayer money!!!!
I don't think anyone is ignoring your elephant. I think most people have just accepted that our governments' interests are not entirely with the people of Canada.
 
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dumpthemonarchy

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Re: BC reserve proposes private hospital for wealthy medical patients

Medicare in Canada has many problems. One letter I saw stated people who are 70 want knee replacments so they feel 50 and can play ten rounds of golf per week and not three. To me these sort of entitlement demands are draining the system of resources. It goes beyond what medicare was supposed to do. If you want a top of the line knee replacement, you pay a premium, if you want a standard one, no charge. I never hear of reform like this though.

Professionals in the system want to sell the most and best so they make more. This is not in the public interest. I'm not interested in privatisation that rewards investors so they get tax dollars.
 

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Re: BC reserve proposes private hospital for wealthy medical patients

Why not. If they don't spend their private money on health care on the reserves, they'll spend it abroad. So we might as well let the reserves have it. Besides, seeing that they are technically separate nations, let them pass their own laws on reserve.
 

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Why not. If they don't spend their private money on health care on the reserves, they'll spend it abroad. So we might as well let the reserves have it. Besides, seeing that they are technically separate nations, let them pass their own laws on reserve.

What does "technically separate nations" mean? They are surrounded by Canada, they speak English like Canadians, not South Africans, Singaporeans or Scots. They are not separate nations. Time to end this legalistic pseudo-diplomatic mumbo-jumbo nonsense.
 

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Also, with the Feds cutting funding for Aboriginal health research, this could help a little. better than casinos in that at least it's helping people, not hurting them like casinos do.

Now, if the NDP should oppose this but support casinos on reseve, then I'll have seen it all.

What does "technically separate nations" mean? They are surrounded by Canada, they speak English like Canadians, not South Africans, Singaporeans or Scots. They are not separate nations. Time to end this legalistic pseudo-diplomatic mumbo-jumbo nonsense.

Look at Statscan. IN Nunavut 15% speak neither English nor French.

And even in BC, remember the separate school system? Pure forced assimilation, never voluntarily. Do you approve of the separate schol system and such imperialism?
 

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Professionals in the system want to sell the most and best so they make more. This is not in the public interest. I'm not interested in privatisation that rewards investors so they get tax dollars.

So, your answer is to under-pay the physicians in the hopes that they will flock to Canada in order to make less money?

Makes so much sense
 

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Staff will be 100% Filipino-paid minimum wage and charged deluxe rates for room 'n board-band members will spurn jobs @ the facility as being demeaning since it means they'd have to get out of bed early/all too regularly/have more than a primary school edumication.

You read it here first.
 

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Staff will be 100% Filipino-paid minimum wage and charged deluxe rates for room 'n board-band members will spurn jobs @ the facility as being demeaning since it means they'd have to get out of bed early/all too regularly/have more than a primary school edumication.

You read it here first.

No bigotry there, eh?
 

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Professionals in the system want to sell the most and best so they make more. This is not in the public interest. I'm not interested in privatisation that rewards investors so they get tax dollars.

Out of curiousity, how do you make your living?
 

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Re: BC reserve proposes private hospital for wealthy medical patients

What does "technically separate nations" mean?
Yes, technically separate nations.

They are surrounded by Canada, they speak English like Canadians...
Desatakda' dahehsoh enohe'tsa'.

They are not separate nations.
Actually, both morally and legally, they are.

Time to end this legalistic pseudo-diplomatic mumbo-jumbo nonsense.
Give her a try, it's a domestic, and international standard. Jimmy lost the debate on legal, and moral grounds.

You aren't anywhere near as smart as Jimmy thinks he is.
 

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There is a little more to this that has been going on for a long time and its another chapter
in a long saga. Let me explain. Kelowna has a large regional hospital and people come
from all over the Southern Interior. For years, people have wanted a hospital on the west
side and time after time the idea is dismissed in favour of maintaining the regional hospital.
The idea is to propose a hospital on the Westside to shake up the provincial government
that is on the brink of disintegrating before our eyes. There are one hundred and fifty
thousand people on that side of the lake and they need their own facility. If the government
won't act the Natives will and so be it. The government will run into problems though
through the funding process reserve or no reserve.
I have a feeling this is going to get interesting as I know a few of he players on both sides of
this fence. It could be as exciting as this years NHL playoff schedule.
 

PoliticalNick

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Re: BC reserve proposes private hospital for wealthy medical patients

There is a little more to this that has been going on for a long time and its another chapter
in a long saga. Let me explain. Kelowna has a large regional hospital and people come
from all over the Southern Interior. For years, people have wanted a hospital on the west
side and time after time the idea is dismissed in favour of maintaining the regional hospital.
The idea is to propose a hospital on the Westside to shake up the provincial government
that is on the brink of disintegrating before our eyes. There are one hundred and fifty
thousand people on that side of the lake and they need their own facility. If the government
won't act the Natives will and so be it. The government will run into problems though
through the funding process reserve or no reserve.
I have a feeling this is going to get interesting as I know a few of he players on both sides of
this fence. It could be as exciting as this years NHL playoff schedule.

A little local insight provides much clarity to this issue. It is a devious ploy that could easily backfire if the govt gave the go-ahead for the luxury clinic proposed by the natives instead of caving to a public hospital. It could lead to the residents not being able to afford the care they seek and still using the regional hospital.
 

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Re: BC reserve proposes private hospital for wealthy medical patients

Also, with the Feds cutting funding for Aboriginal health research, this could help a little. better than casinos in that at least it's helping people, not hurting them like casinos do.

Now, if the NDP should oppose this but support casinos on reseve, then I'll have seen it all.

Look at Statscan. IN Nunavut 15% speak neither English nor French.

And even in BC, remember the separate school system? Pure forced assimilation, never voluntarily. Do you approve of the separate schol system and such imperialism?

The 15% in Nunavut don't speak English or French, they still get Canadian social services, watch Canadian TV and some get by quite well in Canada. Call them multicultural Canadians because they sure aren't Iranians or Chinese or Arabs.

There are better businesses than casinos. It snot good a few families run them and take all the profits and the rest of the band gets little.

The fed govt treated the Inuit poorly, no question. There were poor and wards of the state, they had no power and no money. So the govt did "something" and created additional problems. Education is a good idea, but it was terribly executed for aboriginals. No one is into imperialism any longer, so now many languish in places like Attawaspaskit and are hooked on drugs, uneducated, with lousy job skills, due to benign neglect. The fed govt, like most Canadians, have no clue or interest in aborginals.

Its like hockey, Canada has more minor hockey players than all of Europe, yet they have very good teams that can beat us. They pick the best young and nurture them. In Canada, our hockey system is survival of the fittest. Good system for us, not so good for aborginals.
 

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Re: BC reserve proposes private hospital for wealthy medical patients

The 15% in Nunavut don't speak English or French, they still get Canadian social services, watch Canadian TV and some get by quite well in Canada. Call them multicultural Canadians because they sure aren't Iranians or Chinese or Arabs.

There are better businesses than casinos. It snot good a few families run them and take all the profits and the rest of the band gets little.

The fed govt treated the Inuit poorly, no question. There were poor and wards of the state, they had no power and no money. So the govt did "something" and created additional problems. Education is a good idea, but it was terribly executed for aboriginals. No one is into imperialism any longer, so now many languish in places like Attawaspaskit and are hooked on drugs, uneducated, with lousy job skills, due to benign neglect. The fed govt, like most Canadians, have no clue or interest in aborginals.

Its like hockey, Canada has more minor hockey players than all of Europe, yet they have very good teams that can beat us. They pick the best young and nurture them. In Canada, our hockey system is survival of the fittest. Good system for us, not so good for aborginals.



Is it just me, or does the above look like it was composed by a 10 year old with a 10 year old's limited knowledge?
 

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Re: BC reserve proposes private hospital for wealthy medical patients

Is it just me, or does the above look like it was composed by a 10 year old with a 10 year old's limited knowledge?

10? Are you feeling generous today or what! ;)
 

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Re: BC reserve proposes private hospital for wealthy medical patients

There is a little more to this that has been going on for a long time and its another chapter
in a long saga. Let me explain. Kelowna has a large regional hospital and people come
from all over the Southern Interior. For years, people have wanted a hospital on the west
side and time after time the idea is dismissed in favour of maintaining the regional hospital.
The idea is to propose a hospital on the Westside to shake up the provincial government
that is on the brink of disintegrating before our eyes. There are one hundred and fifty
thousand people on that side of the lake and they need their own facility. If the government
won't act the Natives will and so be it. The government will run into problems though
through the funding process reserve or no reserve.
I have a feeling this is going to get interesting as I know a few of he players on both sides of
this fence. It could be as exciting as this years NHL playoff schedule.

I think the idea is good, whenever rich people get into another line it shortens the wait for the rest of us. I also believe that a privately run hospital could be run cheaper than the it is in the bureaucratic system. In that particular location it would also help to relieve the pressure on the bridge. When you say 150,000 people, how much area are you including? Princeton, Merritt, Hope? I think W. Kelowna has about 30,000 and Peachland to Summerland may have another 30,000.
 

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I bet, that the 85% in Nunavut can speak and write better english than ol dumpy can.