Final Salute

bluealberta

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Perhaps bring in the UN, a third party... I don't know it's a big mess now because of the vacum which was left

For those of you who agree with this statement, if the UN had done its job 10 years ago, we would not be where we are now. The UN is a farce, and to me, they are responsible for this mess. They had no balls then, they have no balls now, and to think that the UN should come in now is laughable. Hell, let's put Quadaffi in charge, ok?

Johnny Utah, your comments, your pictures etc. are very poignant, very relevant, and very sad. Thank you, my friend.
 

fuzzylogix

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I would like to know if the grieving women in these photos gave you permission, Johnny Utah, to invade their privacy for your own ends. You havent posted these photos for THEIR benefit. It is purely for your benefit. I wonder if they would appreciate their most intimate moments being thrown onto the internet in this manner. If it was me, I would be sick to my stomach that people were putting up my photo like this. Yes, these women are torn apart. We dont need to be voyeurs like this to know that when a soldier dies- or ANYONE dies, that there are grieving people.

Shame on YOU JOHNNY UTAH for this blatant invasion of moments that should have been entirely private.

SHAME ON YOU.
 

Said1

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Re: RE: Final Salute

fuzzylogix said:
I have made my point, Said 1. The method of posting is irrelevant in my mind.

Sure.

But I think you're way off about Johnny's intent. He has nothing to be ashamed of and he didn't invade anyone's life.
 

the caracal kid

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Re: RE: Final Salute

bluealberta said:
the caracal kid said:
Johnny,

The posts of Pastafarian, Cortezz, and Darkbeaver were honest.

The appeal to sentimentality is what is digusting, disrespectful, and tasteless.

Kid, you oughta grow up. You have no idea what you are talking about, obviously. This private moment only reinforces my thoughts that these moments should, indeed, be private, between the family members and WHOEVER THEY DECIDE SHOULD BE THERE, not who some media hack decides who should be there.

Show some respect, man, or quit posting about this subject. :cry:

first you tell me to grow up and claim i don't know what i am talking about,

then you agree with me,

so do show some respect to all those that die in wars, and in all other scenarios, and stop using it as a platform to promote your own political master's agenda.
 

Johnny Utah

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Re: RE: Final Salute

fuzzylogix said:
I would like to know if the grieving women in these photos gave you permission, Johnny Utah, to invade their privacy for your own ends. You havent posted these photos for THEIR benefit. It is purely for your benefit. I wonder if they would appreciate their most intimate moments being thrown onto the internet in this manner. If it was me, I would be sick to my stomach that people were putting up my photo like this. Yes, these women are torn apart. We dont need to be voyeurs like this to know that when a soldier dies- or ANYONE dies, that there are grieving people.

Shame on YOU JOHNNY UTAH for this blatant invasion of moments that should have been entirely private.

SHAME ON YOU.
My Intent was simple to show another side of women who lost loved ones in the Iraq War we don't get to see in the MSM unless it's someone like Cindy Sheehan on the Anti-War Bandwagon. This woman's story is of love, courage and sacrifice. It's to bad you can't that and how much this woman loved her husband as the last picture showed when she wanted to spend one more night with him alone listening to their songs with a Marine Honor Guard standing Watch..

The story was also about how the Marines take care of their own, had you read the 12 pages of the story you would have seen that but you didn't because your Bias to begin with..

This story was posted on a website, it has been all over the Internet, I'm sure the woman wouldn't mind her story being shared with the World as she shared it with the Rocky Mountain News, if you think I am the only one who has shared her story on the Internet you would be wrong..

So Shame on you..
 

darkbeaver

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Maudlin sentimental bullshit contrived for the mainstream media, she was paid to pose, she sold her privacy for cash and fifteen minutes of fame. <snip>This is out of line. Take it to Wreck Beach,</snip> - Kreskin
 

Curiosity

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Interesting comment Beav

Yet we make so much of Cindy Sheehan - whose estranged son was slain in battle - and she has made herself a celebrity of it, pandered by the sychophants of the media and celebrity-dom.

But this mother is accused by you as having been paid to grieve?
 

Johnny Utah

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Re: RE: Final Salute

darkbeaver said:
Maudlin sentimental bullshit contrived for the mainstream media, she was paid to pose, she sold her privacy for cash and fifteen minutes of fame. <snip>This is out of line. Take it to Wreck Beach,</snip> - Kreskin
Thanks for proving my earlier statements about you.
Pwned!
 

aeon

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Johnny Utah said:
You call the Iraq War an unnecessary War, so I'm guessing you think Iraq was better off under the control of Saddam and better off with Iraq being under control of one of his crazy sons in the near future.[/b]


That is exactly what happened in your country, bush 41, bush 43, and who is next?
 

cortezzz

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the world is full of the graves of hundreds of millions of dead soldiers

...............and their victims
 

fuzzylogix

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Johnny Utah said:
Seriously it's nice that these folks can be so sad when touched personally by such thing, but I don't get this "other side of the Cindy Sheehans" BS
The other side of the Cindy Sheehans means we have only seen in the MSM the point of view of someone like Cindy Sheehan protesting her Anti-War views while we have not seen the other point of views from other women who lost a loved one and don't get into the Anti-War protest like this wife who lost her husband.

Are you implying that Cindy Sheehan did not grieve in this manner????

I feel greatly for the women and men who have lost loved ones in any war. I do not need to see a photo of them to know that they are grieving. I do not need to hear the sordid details of them throwing themselves on the coffins or crying over tattered uniforms. This is voyeuristic journalism, and in many eyes contravenes the ethical codes of journalism. These stories, while heart rending have not furthered a need for public information. This is a common problem with journalism now. The rush to produce economically viable reporting scoops has led to confusing the "public's RIGHT to know" with the "public's DESIRE to know". Reporters who approach grieving families are supposed to be sure that there is a reason for acquiring the information beyond an economic filling of the public's desire for sensational media.

Canadian Broadcast Standards (RTNDA Code of Journalism Ethics) and British Broadcasting Standards Council Code of Practice Clause 4 (b) (i) of Section V Taste and Decency: Care must be taken not to take advantage of people in deep shock, even if it is not immediately recognizable, persuading them into an expression of their emotions or views, for example, which they may later regret.

In a state of raw emotion, the grieving family, in their state of shock may view the reporter as a friend, and in their need to pour out their emotions, often talks, vents, cries on the reporter's shoulder without comprehending the consequences of these private moments becoming public. The same effect happens when a grieving individual vents on a member of the clergy, a lawyer, or a doctor. However, these people are bound by their professional ethics to keep all this information completely confidential. The same is obviously not true for the reporter.

I still maintain, that I am NOT entitled to view these pictures or listen to these stories that were obtained during moments of extreme emotion, even if technically consent was given. Legal consents require that an individual is sane and completely comprehends the consequences of their consent. I dont think that can be said for these grieving people who are in a state of mental anguish.

As for this being the other side of Cindy Sheehan. How the hell do you know how this woman is going to think and feel after this raw emotion changes into the anger stage of grief. She may well start to reassess her attitudes....or maybe she had anti war atttitudes all ready. We'll never know, because the reporter wasnt interested in presenting that--- he concentrated on how she cried and how her baby moved, etc.

No, I am NOT disrespectful of this individual. I think the reporter was.
 

Johnny Utah

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fuzzylogix said:
Johnny Utah said:
Seriously it's nice that these folks can be so sad when touched personally by such thing, but I don't get this "other side of the Cindy Sheehans" BS
The other side of the Cindy Sheehans means we have only seen in the MSM the point of view of someone like Cindy Sheehan protesting her Anti-War views while we have not seen the other point of views from other women who lost a loved one and don't get into the Anti-War protest like this wife who lost her husband.

Are you implying that Cindy Sheehan did not grieve in this manner????

I feel greatly for the women and men who have lost loved ones in any war. I do not need to see a photo of them to know that they are grieving. I do not need to hear the sordid details of them throwing themselves on the coffins or crying over tattered uniforms. This is voyeuristic journalism, and in many eyes contravenes the ethical codes of journalism. These stories, while heart rending have not furthered a need for public information. This is a common problem with journalism now. The rush to produce economically viable reporting scoops has led to confusing the "public's RIGHT to know" with the "public's DESIRE to know". Reporters who approach grieving families are supposed to be sure that there is a reason for acquiring the information beyond an economic filling of the public's desire for sensational media.

Canadian Broadcast Standards (RTNDA Code of Journalism Ethics) and British Broadcasting Standards Council Code of Practice Clause 4 (b) (i) of Section V Taste and Decency: Care must be taken not to take advantage of people in deep shock, even if it is not immediately recognizable, persuading them into an expression of their emotions or views, for example, which they may later regret.

In a state of raw emotion, the grieving family, in their state of shock may view the reporter as a friend, and in their need to pour out their emotions, often talks, vents, cries on the reporter's shoulder without comprehending the consequences of these private moments becoming public. The same effect happens when a grieving individual vents on a member of the clergy, a lawyer, or a doctor. However, these people are bound by their professional ethics to keep all this information completely confidential. The same is obviously not true for the reporter.

I still maintain, that I am NOT entitled to view these pictures or listen to these stories that were obtained during moments of extreme emotion, even if technically consent was given. Legal consents require that an individual is sane and completely comprehends the consequences of their consent. I dont think that can be said for these grieving people who are in a state of mental anguish.

As for this being the other side of Cindy Sheehan. How the hell do you know how this woman is going to think and feel after this raw emotion changes into the anger stage of grief. She may well start to reassess her attitudes....or maybe she had anti war atttitudes all ready. We'll never know, because the reporter wasnt interested in presenting that--- he concentrated on how she cried and how her baby moved, etc.

No, I am NOT disrespectful of this individual. I think the reporter was.
At one time Cindy Sheehan was a grieving mother, now I'm not so sure as she has been to busy with her new career to have a headstone placed on her son's grave, now she has become nothing more then a pawn by the Left to use, once they are done with her they will push her aside if they haven't already or did you not see how fast she lost support when she was attacking Hillary Clinton's stand on the War?

This woman gave her permission for her story to be shared to the World, you just don't like it. The other side of the Cindy Sheehans are women like this woman who lost her husband who doesn't get the Air Time in the MSM to share her story because she's not on the Anti-War Bandwagon like Cindy Sheehan is..

You would only care about this story if it had an Anti-War headline in it..
 

cortezzz

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the difference is that sheehan decided to turn her grief into something more positive by making a strong vocal public stand against the brutal illegal war that took her sons life and the lives of 100,000s of innocent iraqis.

i dont see the point of your post at all

except that you somehow expect people seing it to say

oh my god--- how horrible

it was for a good cause though

well-- it wasnt

it was a waste

a total complete waste of a human life

a total waste

worthless

but-- why get angry at me--- its not my fault--its yours and people like you who glorify this bullshit

the death of every single american soldier in iraq is a total waste

and will be a waste

a total waste.. in a wasteland made by big oil and greed and lies and good old fashioned stupidity

<snip>Take the personal attacks to Wreck Beach</snip>
 

Johnny Utah

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cortezzz said:
the difference is that sheehan decided to turn her grief into something more positive by making a strong vocal public stand against the brutal illegal war that took her sons life and the lives of 100,000s of innocent iraqis.

i dont see the point of your post at all

except that you somehow expect people seing it to say

oh my god--- how horrible

it was for a good cause though

well-- it wasnt

it was a waste

a total complete waste of a human life

a total waste

worthless

but-- why get angry at me--- its not my fault--its yours and people like you who glorify this bullshit

the death of every single american soldier in iraq is a total waste

and will be a waste

a total waste.. in a wasteland made by big oil and greed and lies and good old fashioned stupidity

you people-- on the pro war bandwagon are the sickest bunch cretins in the history of the human race
Yawn, another useless rant.. :roll:
 

Kreskin

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Cortezzz, if want to duke it out please take it to Wreck Beach.