Fighting in Hockey

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Don Cherry on Coach's Corner said he had attended Sanderson's funeral and that Sanderson's father said he still supported fighting in the game.

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The Spin

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The startling piece in the latest edition of Maclean's magazine in which Mike Sanderson, the father of the late Don Sanderson, speaks his mind on the issue of fighting in hockey truly puts the godfather of fighting on skates, Don Cherry, in a desperate light.
While Cherry has insinuated that Mike Sanderson, despite the death of his 21-year-old son after a hockey fight while playing for the Whitby Dunlops, still supports the notion that fighting is an integral part of the sport, the elder Sanderson says that actually isn't true at all.
Even worse, he objects to Cherry's characterization of him as a friend and kindred spirit who was there at Don Sanderson's funeral in Port Perry, Ont and later pronounced to a national TV audience that Mike Sanderson is a "hockey guy" who understands the role of fighting in hockey.
“He said we sat there like we were buddies (at Donald’s funeral),” Sanderson says in the Maclean's article written by Charlie Gillis. “I’m, like, no we didn’t.”

 

[TenPenny]

I've always found Don Cherry to be a loudmouth twit. His coaching skills are below average, and his hockey analysis skills are pathetic.

But he's loud, colourful, and a 'character', which is exactly what people want on television.

I don't know why anyone pays any attention to him.

 

[Risus]

Don Cherry on Coach's Corner said he had attended Sanderson's funeral and that Sanderson's father said he still supported fighting in the game.

The following peice says this assertion ws false!

The Spin

Quote:

The startling piece in the latest edition of Maclean's magazine in which Mike Sanderson, the father of the late Don Sanderson, speaks his mind on the issue of fighting in hockey truly puts the godfather of fighting on skates, Don Cherry, in a desperate light.
While Cherry has insinuated that Mike Sanderson, despite the death of his 21-year-old son after a hockey fight while playing for the Whitby Dunlops, still supports the notion that fighting is an integral part of the sport, the elder Sanderson says that actually isn't true at all.
Even worse, he objects to Cherry's characterization of him as a friend and kindred spirit who was there at Don Sanderson's funeral in Port Perry, Ont and later pronounced to a national TV audience that Mike Sanderson is a "hockey guy" who understands the role of fighting in hockey.
“He said we sat there like we were buddies (at Donald’s funeral),” Sanderson says in the Maclean's article written by Charlie Gillis. “I’m, like, no we didn’t.”

Cherry is Canada's biggest idiot. Just look at how he dresses... All his hyping of fighting is to sell his videos. Sanderson didn't even want him at the funeral.

 

[Spade]

Cherry has aged from hockey's icon to caricature.

 

[Spade]

A panel discussion.
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Concussion panel calls for fighting ban in hockey
Last Updated: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 | 9:44 AM ET Comments48Recommend14
The Canadian Press
Eric Lindros, who suffered several concussions throughout his NHL career, was a panel member at the concussion summit. (Rick Stewart/Getty Images)
Fighting should be eliminated from hockey at all levels of the game, according to recommendations released Tuesday from an expert panel dealing with concussions in hockey.

"Fighting is one of the known causes of concussion, and may result in the related long-term complications," the panel's summary statement says. "Fighting can cause needless death."

The recommendations, resulting from meetings at the London Hockey Concussion Summit on Jan. 17-18, also calls from an elimination of high hits/head hits.

 

[talloola]

I've always found Don Cherry to be a loudmouth twit. His coaching skills are below average, and his hockey analysis skills are pathetic.

But he's loud, colourful, and a 'character', which is exactly what people want on television.

I don't know why anyone pays any attention to him.

He's sort of like 'fin' the canuck hockey mascot, only cherry is the mascot
for all of the nhl, just a goofy thing to laugh at.
But, he does have a big heart, no different than the rest of us, only his
feelings are seen on coast to coast television.

 

[talloola]

It seems like they are slowly, very slowly moving in the right direction. No one wants to see hits to the head, 'yet' many argue strongly, (don cherry too), that
fighting is part of the game, 'yet', the head is struck many times in a fight, and
the danger of hitting one's head on the ice in a fight is definitely there. The
'staged' fighting has to stop right now, it looks tacky, makes our sport look tacky,
and adds nothing to the flow of the game at all, those kinds of players make plans
to fight each other to keep the coaches noticing them, so they can get some ice time, and show they are tough, so they pretend they are waiting to play hockey,
and when the puck is dropped, they go into their act.
Some fights break out instantly from emotion overflowing, but if they knew they
would be thrown out, it wouldn't go beyond 'pushing and shoving', and the linesmen
will intervene.
And sure, some fights will break out, even if it is banned, so be it, sit out a game.

The game is very fast now, very skilled, and the players are bigger than ever, mixed in with some smaller guys, but lots of players are 6ft 5in and well over 240 lbs.
The mindset of people watching two hockey players fight is no different than 'if'
they were watching a fight in a movie, (which isn't real), but the hockey fights
are, and the danger of injury is there, and the players look stupid doing it.
If people want to watch fighting go to a 'fight'. (boxing, kick boxing, wrestling etc.)

The excuse that many give for continueing fighting is that, "if they can't fight
they will use their sticks", WRONG, stick infractions are penalized heavily, and
many carry suspensions, so that trend of thought is lame, and a heavy use of
the stick can also end up in court.

Concussions can happen in regular hockey moves, body checking etc., so why
add to that risk by condoning fighting, which is kept in the game for entertainment purposes only, the nhl doesn't want to lose gate money, so they
won't suggest banning fighting, it serves no purpose in the game.

A good series of body checks will liven up a 'dull' game, or a game where one team
seems flat and has no emotion, 'start hitting', legal hitting, good body checks and
soon the emotion is back, and players are energized again.

 

[JLM]

He's sort of like 'fin' the canuck hockey mascot, only cherry is the mascot
for all of the nhl, just a goofy thing to laugh at.
But, he does have a big heart, no different than the rest of us, only his
feelings are seen on coast to coast television.

Yep, I think Cherry's I.Q. could best be described as "room temperature" and that would be in the summer. :lol::lol::lol:

 

[Risus]

Yep, I think Cherry's I.Q. could best be described as "room temperature" and that would be in the summer. :lol::lol::lol:

With the air conditioner on 'hi'.... :smile::smile:

 

[missile]

Wonder if we could persuade Clinton & Stacy to do a fashion makeover on Don?

 

[TenPenny]

Sure, there are lots of people who think fighting is an intrinsic part of hockey, but it's not. Hockey is a game of skating, puckhandling, and good checking. Watching skilled players is truly amazing. Watching idiots punch each other isn't.

 

[JLM]

With the air conditioner on 'hi'.... :smile::smile:

I would have thought WITHOUT the air conditioner and maybe a small fire in the stove. :lol::lol:

 

[Risus]

I would have thought WITHOUT the air conditioner and maybe a small fire in the stove. :lol::lol:

If you are comparing his IQ to 'room temperature', wouldn't you want the temp as low as possible??

 

[JLM]

If you are comparing his IQ to 'room temperature', wouldn't you want the temp as low as possible??

I guess, I was thinking more the other way- even with all the help from the environment the I.Q. level probably wouldn't reach torrid proportions, also I was thinking summer (away from hockey) he might act a little more sensibly. Maybe I should just rephrase the whole thing and say he's NOT a direct descendent of Einstein.

 

[talloola]

Actually when one listens to him on radio, while just having normal interview, without tv world watching, he is quite normal, what he does on tv is an act,
the way he talks, the way he plays off of mc Lean, his expressions etc.,
that makes him lots of money, but saying that, many of the comments he
makes on tv are outragous and outdated, and he truly believes what he states,
his comments are not an act.

 

[L Gilbert]

Yeah, Tall is right. He seems like a decent sort of fellow off cam. Met him after a Front Page Challenge taping (3 episodes). Met Jack Webster there, too. Kind of a curmudgeon but a nice guy at heart. Cherry was more pleasant. lol

I think scraps are going to happen in an active sport like hockey, football, rugby, etc. Banning it would be fruitless, but they should stop any fight immediately.

 

[talloola]

Yeah, Tall is right. He seems like a decent sort of fellow off cam. Met him after a Front Page Challenge taping (3 episodes). Met Jack Webster there, too. Kind of a curmudgeon but a nice guy at heart. Cherry was more pleasant. lol

I think scraps are going to happen in an active sport like hockey, football, rugby, etc. Banning it would be fruitless, but they should stop any fight immediately.

I would go along with that theory, but the linesmen just stand back and let
the warriors duke it out till one or both fall, or they get tired, helmets go
flying, their heads are bare and vulnerable to hit the ice if/when they fall.
I guess the linesmen don't want to get hit so they just watch like everyone
else.

 

[JLM]

Don Cherry on Coach's Corner said he had attended Sanderson's funeral and that Sanderson's father said he still supported fighting in the game.

The following peice says this assertion ws false!

The Spin

Quote:

The startling piece in the latest edition of Maclean's magazine in which Mike Sanderson, the father of the late Don Sanderson, speaks his mind on the issue of fighting in hockey truly puts the godfather of fighting on skates, Don Cherry, in a desperate light.

While Cherry has insinuated that Mike Sanderson, despite the death of his 21-year-old son after a hockey fight while playing for the Whitby Dunlops, still supports the notion that fighting is an integral part of the sport, the elder Sanderson says that actually isn't true at all.
Even worse, he objects to Cherry's characterization of him as a friend and kindred spirit who was there at Don Sanderson's funeral in Port Perry, Ont and later pronounced to a national TV audience that Mike Sanderson is a "hockey guy" who understands the role of fighting in hockey.
“He said we sat there like we were buddies (at Donald’s funeral),” Sanderson says in the Maclean's article written by Charlie Gillis. “I’m, like, no we didn’t.”

My feelings are mixed about fighting in hockey. I was always under the impression that members of the N.H.L. want to be perceived as "real men". Real men do not lose control routinely, in my view, and just to drop the gloves on a whim shows loss of control

 

[talloola]

My feelings are mixed about fighting in hockey. I was always under the impression that members of the N.H.L. want to be perceived as "real men". Real men do not lose control routinely, in my view, and just to drop the gloves on a whim shows loss of control

Exactly, and the real men in the game can be seen everywhere too, Ovetchkin is
one of them, no player is as tough as him, but his energy and toughness is focused in the right place, and, even if someone hits him illegally, or dirty,
he doesn't react by fighting, at least I've never seen him fight.
Joe Sakic, Mario Lemeiux, Rick Nash, and many other very talented players
are so focused on the game, and not on other players, and what they are doing.
Iginla will fight from time to time, he seems to want to make a point every
now and then, that he is OK with that.

 

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Exactly, and the real men in the game can be seen everywhere too, Ovetchkin is
one of them, no player is as tough as him, but his energy and toughness is focused in the right place, and, even if someone hits him illegally, or dirty,
he doesn't react by fighting, at least I've never seen him fight.
Joe Sakic, Mario Lemeiux, Rick Nash, and many other very talented players
are so focused on the game, and not on other players, and what they are doing.
Iginla will fight from time to time, he seems to want to make a point every
now and then, that he is OK with that.

CBC's Fifth Estate on fighting in hockey was the best I've seen!
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