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samfuchs

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Point of view from an American. BBC, CBC, Newsworld are GREAT!!
I was glad to see Fox news get slammed. Fox continually attacks other news stations and then are suprised when they are attacked.
Fox news is nothing more than a conservative radio talk show on TV. Reilly, Tony Snow, Mark Williams, Hanity, and John Gibson, all have Conservative Radio talk which they perform the most ritual attacks on democrats, Canada, Germany, and France. So then they move to Fox news and become "fair and balanced".
These people promote:Ignorance through lies. Division among Americans and with other countries. Self protection at any cost.
And self induldging capitalism throught a materialist God.
Canadians; democrats still want to maintain a friendship, while Republicans want hate.
I had heard them say Canadians in Vieatnam but not true?
 

samfuchs

New Member
Feb 5, 2005
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Point of view from an American. BBC, CBC, Newsworld are GREAT!!
I was glad to see Fox news get slammed. Fox continually attacks other news stations and then are suprised when they are attacked.
Fox news is nothing more than a conservative radio talk show on TV. Reilly, Tony Snow, Mark Williams, Hanity, and John Gibson, all have Conservative Radio talk which they perform the most ritual attacks on democrats, Canada, Germany, and France. So then they move to Fox news and become "fair and balanced".
These people promote:Ignorance through lies. Division among Americans and with other countries. Self protection at any cost.
And self induldging capitalism throught a materialist God.
Canadians; democrats still want to maintain a friendship, while Republicans want hate.
I had heard them say Canadians in Vieatnam but not true?
 

samfuchs

New Member
Feb 5, 2005
1
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Point of view from an American. BBC, CBC, Newsworld are GREAT!!
I was glad to see Fox news get slammed. Fox continually attacks other news stations and then are suprised when they are attacked.
Fox news is nothing more than a conservative radio talk show on TV. Reilly, Tony Snow, Mark Williams, Hanity, and John Gibson, all have Conservative Radio talk which they perform the most ritual attacks on democrats, Canada, Germany, and France. So then they move to Fox news and become "fair and balanced".
These people promote:Ignorance through lies. Division among Americans and with other countries. Self protection at any cost.
And self induldging capitalism throught a materialist God.
Canadians; democrats still want to maintain a friendship, while Republicans want hate.
I had heard them say Canadians in Vieatnam but not true?
 

jamie

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Oct 22, 2004
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I'm not really a Coulter fan, but the CBC and BBC are biased and push their own agenda as well. And, we do receive the BBC here in the states, on certain channels.

Here's an interesting little article, though.


Read about Canada's involvement in the Vietnam War. Many Americans believe that Canada played not part in the Vietnam War; nothing could be further from the truth
Many Americans believe that Canada played no part in the Vietnam War. Nothing could be further from the truth. Though the Canadian government tried its best to remain neutral, Canadians themselves became involved. It is believed that Canadian enlistment in the US Army during the Vietnam era far surpassed the 30,000 who fled as draft dodgers to Canada.


Canadians serving in the US military is nothing new. This occurred as far back as the Civil War. Forty Canadians have won America’s highest military award – the Medal of Honor.


When the US became involved in war with Vietnam, many Canadian men joined the US Armed Forces or allowed themselves to be drafted. Canadian Forces were being cut back and Vietnam allowed Canadian youth to join the US military where they would be taught skills that were not available in their own country. Helicopter flying and mechanics was the goal of many young Canadian men. Another reason to join was the fight against communism and still others joined for adventure or personal reasons.


Larry Semeniuk of Windsor, Ontario, joined the US Army in January 1967. In December, he was deployed as a paratrooper of Company B, 3rd Battalion, 187th regiment, 101st Airborne Division to Vietnam. In January 1968, Semeniuk saved the life of an officer at the risk of his own. A few days later, he was killed in action. He was awarded the Silver Star posthumously.


Gary Butt was born May 9, 1951 in Montreal, Quebec. He enlisted in the US military at Plattsburg, New York in 1968. Since Butt had superior skills in marksmanship, the US Army gave him the position of rifleman with the 173rd Airborne Brigade. Butt volunteered for duty in Vietnam and served from July 1970, to April 1971. He was killed on April 3rd. At the time of his death, Butt held the position of sergeant with the 4th Battalion, 503rd Infantry, 173rd Airborne Brigade.


Many other Canadians served in Vietnam and like Vietnam vets in the US, returned home to despicable treatment. This was especially noticeable in Toronto and Vancouver where US draft dodgers had settled. These large cities were often the sites of anti-war hostility.


There were no Veterans Administration Centers in Canada to assist the returning men or the families of those who had died in Vietnam. The Royal Canadian Legion did not welcome these men as they did men from other wars. This began to change with the completion of the Vietnam Veteran’s Memorial in Washington, DC.


Canadian Vietnam Veterans began to form their own organizations in 1986. There are now groups in most major Canadian cities but it is a loose coalition. Canada also has six men who are not accounted for. They are listed as MIA’s, though it is believed that some of these men are POW’s.


For almost thirty years, Canadian Vietnam Veterans fought to have a memorial dedicated to those who never returned from the jungles of a country half way around the world. They raised money and a portable wall, much like The Wall in Washington. The Vets traveled across the country educating their fellow countrymen on the Vietnam War. The horrors endured by these men where beyond imagination.


Finally, the Canadian government listened to its Vietnam Vets. In 1995, the North Wall found a permanent home in Windsor, Ontario. It is a great tribute to those Canadians who served and sacrificed all for what they believed in.


The North Wall is a beautiful memorial. If you are in the area, be sure to view the names on the North Wall and spend a moment remembering those whom never returned.

found at:

http://dede.essortment.com/canadasvietnam_rgwv.htm
 

jamie

Electoral Member
Oct 22, 2004
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the wang
I'm not really a Coulter fan, but the CBC and BBC are biased and push their own agenda as well. And, we do receive the BBC here in the states, on certain channels.

Here's an interesting little article, though.


Read about Canada's involvement in the Vietnam War. Many Americans believe that Canada played not part in the Vietnam War; nothing could be further from the truth
Many Americans believe that Canada played no part in the Vietnam War. Nothing could be further from the truth. Though the Canadian government tried its best to remain neutral, Canadians themselves became involved. It is believed that Canadian enlistment in the US Army during the Vietnam era far surpassed the 30,000 who fled as draft dodgers to Canada.


Canadians serving in the US military is nothing new. This occurred as far back as the Civil War. Forty Canadians have won America’s highest military award – the Medal of Honor.


When the US became involved in war with Vietnam, many Canadian men joined the US Armed Forces or allowed themselves to be drafted. Canadian Forces were being cut back and Vietnam allowed Canadian youth to join the US military where they would be taught skills that were not available in their own country. Helicopter flying and mechanics was the goal of many young Canadian men. Another reason to join was the fight against communism and still others joined for adventure or personal reasons.


Larry Semeniuk of Windsor, Ontario, joined the US Army in January 1967. In December, he was deployed as a paratrooper of Company B, 3rd Battalion, 187th regiment, 101st Airborne Division to Vietnam. In January 1968, Semeniuk saved the life of an officer at the risk of his own. A few days later, he was killed in action. He was awarded the Silver Star posthumously.


Gary Butt was born May 9, 1951 in Montreal, Quebec. He enlisted in the US military at Plattsburg, New York in 1968. Since Butt had superior skills in marksmanship, the US Army gave him the position of rifleman with the 173rd Airborne Brigade. Butt volunteered for duty in Vietnam and served from July 1970, to April 1971. He was killed on April 3rd. At the time of his death, Butt held the position of sergeant with the 4th Battalion, 503rd Infantry, 173rd Airborne Brigade.


Many other Canadians served in Vietnam and like Vietnam vets in the US, returned home to despicable treatment. This was especially noticeable in Toronto and Vancouver where US draft dodgers had settled. These large cities were often the sites of anti-war hostility.


There were no Veterans Administration Centers in Canada to assist the returning men or the families of those who had died in Vietnam. The Royal Canadian Legion did not welcome these men as they did men from other wars. This began to change with the completion of the Vietnam Veteran’s Memorial in Washington, DC.


Canadian Vietnam Veterans began to form their own organizations in 1986. There are now groups in most major Canadian cities but it is a loose coalition. Canada also has six men who are not accounted for. They are listed as MIA’s, though it is believed that some of these men are POW’s.


For almost thirty years, Canadian Vietnam Veterans fought to have a memorial dedicated to those who never returned from the jungles of a country half way around the world. They raised money and a portable wall, much like The Wall in Washington. The Vets traveled across the country educating their fellow countrymen on the Vietnam War. The horrors endured by these men where beyond imagination.


Finally, the Canadian government listened to its Vietnam Vets. In 1995, the North Wall found a permanent home in Windsor, Ontario. It is a great tribute to those Canadians who served and sacrificed all for what they believed in.


The North Wall is a beautiful memorial. If you are in the area, be sure to view the names on the North Wall and spend a moment remembering those whom never returned.

found at:

http://dede.essortment.com/canadasvietnam_rgwv.htm
 

jamie

Electoral Member
Oct 22, 2004
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the wang
I'm not really a Coulter fan, but the CBC and BBC are biased and push their own agenda as well. And, we do receive the BBC here in the states, on certain channels.

Here's an interesting little article, though.


Read about Canada's involvement in the Vietnam War. Many Americans believe that Canada played not part in the Vietnam War; nothing could be further from the truth
Many Americans believe that Canada played no part in the Vietnam War. Nothing could be further from the truth. Though the Canadian government tried its best to remain neutral, Canadians themselves became involved. It is believed that Canadian enlistment in the US Army during the Vietnam era far surpassed the 30,000 who fled as draft dodgers to Canada.


Canadians serving in the US military is nothing new. This occurred as far back as the Civil War. Forty Canadians have won America’s highest military award – the Medal of Honor.


When the US became involved in war with Vietnam, many Canadian men joined the US Armed Forces or allowed themselves to be drafted. Canadian Forces were being cut back and Vietnam allowed Canadian youth to join the US military where they would be taught skills that were not available in their own country. Helicopter flying and mechanics was the goal of many young Canadian men. Another reason to join was the fight against communism and still others joined for adventure or personal reasons.


Larry Semeniuk of Windsor, Ontario, joined the US Army in January 1967. In December, he was deployed as a paratrooper of Company B, 3rd Battalion, 187th regiment, 101st Airborne Division to Vietnam. In January 1968, Semeniuk saved the life of an officer at the risk of his own. A few days later, he was killed in action. He was awarded the Silver Star posthumously.


Gary Butt was born May 9, 1951 in Montreal, Quebec. He enlisted in the US military at Plattsburg, New York in 1968. Since Butt had superior skills in marksmanship, the US Army gave him the position of rifleman with the 173rd Airborne Brigade. Butt volunteered for duty in Vietnam and served from July 1970, to April 1971. He was killed on April 3rd. At the time of his death, Butt held the position of sergeant with the 4th Battalion, 503rd Infantry, 173rd Airborne Brigade.


Many other Canadians served in Vietnam and like Vietnam vets in the US, returned home to despicable treatment. This was especially noticeable in Toronto and Vancouver where US draft dodgers had settled. These large cities were often the sites of anti-war hostility.


There were no Veterans Administration Centers in Canada to assist the returning men or the families of those who had died in Vietnam. The Royal Canadian Legion did not welcome these men as they did men from other wars. This began to change with the completion of the Vietnam Veteran’s Memorial in Washington, DC.


Canadian Vietnam Veterans began to form their own organizations in 1986. There are now groups in most major Canadian cities but it is a loose coalition. Canada also has six men who are not accounted for. They are listed as MIA’s, though it is believed that some of these men are POW’s.


For almost thirty years, Canadian Vietnam Veterans fought to have a memorial dedicated to those who never returned from the jungles of a country half way around the world. They raised money and a portable wall, much like The Wall in Washington. The Vets traveled across the country educating their fellow countrymen on the Vietnam War. The horrors endured by these men where beyond imagination.


Finally, the Canadian government listened to its Vietnam Vets. In 1995, the North Wall found a permanent home in Windsor, Ontario. It is a great tribute to those Canadians who served and sacrificed all for what they believed in.


The North Wall is a beautiful memorial. If you are in the area, be sure to view the names on the North Wall and spend a moment remembering those whom never returned.

found at:

http://dede.essortment.com/canadasvietnam_rgwv.htm
 

peapod

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Thats true Jamie, in fact I knew a canadian that went to vietnam. But the canadian government did not send them, they went on their own. Ann Coulter says she is a historian, but she writes her own version of history.
 

peapod

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Thats true Jamie, in fact I knew a canadian that went to vietnam. But the canadian government did not send them, they went on their own. Ann Coulter says she is a historian, but she writes her own version of history.
 

peapod

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Thats true Jamie, in fact I knew a canadian that went to vietnam. But the canadian government did not send them, they went on their own. Ann Coulter says she is a historian, but she writes her own version of history.
 

Reverend Blair

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There is a major difference between Canadians joining a foreign military and a government sending troops, Jamie. There were Canadians in the French Foreign Legion too, so Canadians were in Vietnam before the US sent troops. Of course there were people from all over the world in the French Foreign Legion, but nobody says that Germany or Madagascar was in Vietnam.
 

Reverend Blair

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There is a major difference between Canadians joining a foreign military and a government sending troops, Jamie. There were Canadians in the French Foreign Legion too, so Canadians were in Vietnam before the US sent troops. Of course there were people from all over the world in the French Foreign Legion, but nobody says that Germany or Madagascar was in Vietnam.
 

Reverend Blair

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There is a major difference between Canadians joining a foreign military and a government sending troops, Jamie. There were Canadians in the French Foreign Legion too, so Canadians were in Vietnam before the US sent troops. Of course there were people from all over the world in the French Foreign Legion, but nobody says that Germany or Madagascar was in Vietnam.
 

EagleSmack

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Hey Jerry Springer starting a Liberal talk show.

Well there you go folks! You finally have an honest to goodness spokesman. I am sure he will give all of you to the "left" true credibility.

Al Franken, former comedian of SNL and now Jerry Springer!

You must be very excited.
 

peapod

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Well yes we are :p his show sucked...but he does know politics...I think...I dunno...was he not a mayor of a major city...I do think he has some sort of creditials...anyways it shouldn't bother you, in a free society there is room for lots of voices.
 

Scape

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peapod said:
...anyways it shouldn't bother you, in a free society there is room for lots of voices.

It's the people with the voices in their heads that bother me, usually saying god/devil/hunger/GOP made me do it instead of taking responsibility and accountability for what they say and do.
 

EagleSmack

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Reverend Blair said:
anyways it shouldn't bother you, in a free society there is room for lots of voices.

That's what some people are afraid of.


It doesn't bother me at all. What bothers the liberals is when the conservatives have free speech.

I personally think that when people like Franken talk it just shows the true agenda of the left. Keep talking.

It just burns you folks to see that the conservatives have a forum and a fair shot to get their voice heard.

The left loves to spout off at will. They hate to be countered and called on their lies.