Fascism Anyone?

[Mowich]

Harper is definitely more in your face about Canada than previous PM who left it up to us to decide how much we did or didn't love the country.

I'm sorry I must have missed the part where Mr Harper imposed a love of Canada upon me. I thank Mr Harper for awakening me to the realization that I too could stand up - loud and proud - and praise my country, its people and its land. Until he came along, we never really joined together as one huge united entity from coast to coast to coast and cheered for our country in an open and expressive manner. Many of us looked to the celebrations south of the border and though at times a tad excessive to some, envied them the unabashed love of their flag and their country. Mr Harper made wearing our flag cool.

I'm really hopping they bring back those wonderful Canadian mittens for the Sochi Olympics - I've got the hat, now I need the mittens. Take care now.

 

[Walter]

1. a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

2. Oppressive, dictatorial control

I don't see this happening in Canada under Harper. I did feel it under McGuinty.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

1. a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

2. Oppressive, dictatorial control

I don't see this happening in Canada under Harper. I did feel it under McGuinty.

Don't forget Obama!

 

[Walter]

Don't forget Obama!

There's your superior intellect confusing me with facts.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

There's your superior intellect confusing me with facts.

Red me, baby! Red me hard!

 

[Walter]

Red me, baby! Red me hard!

Why?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Why?

It's soooooo goooooood!

 

[hunboldt]

Harper is a Christian. So what?? No religion is persecuted in Canada.

Actually, his Christianity is a weird form of Falangism.
Crime is 'bad', unless it's stock market fraud. Then its 'good'.
It's wonderful, in harper world, when a Canadian corporation is scuppered by an outside power group- such as Huawei's sabotage of Nortel.

He's on the ropes in the polls because he wrecked private investment in industry in Canada.

 

[SLM]

Seems the Harper government is doing great...on the fascism index.

Fascism Anyone?



1. Yup

2. Probably

3. Definitely

4. Yes

5. Yup. What was that comment from MacKay about the Liberals having "his dog" when Belinda crossed the floor.

6. Another big yes

7. For sure

8. Probably

9. another definitely

10. Yes

11. Yes, Harper has been attacking science and the arts in Canada

12. Yes, Harper wants to build a bunch of prisons and is "getting tuff" on crime.

13. Can you say senate expense scandal

14. Can you also say in-and-out campaign financing and robocalls

Exaggeration, exaggeration, exaggeration.

1. a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.b. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

2. Oppressive, dictatorial control

I don't see this happening in Canada under Harper. I did feel it under McGuinty.

Exaggeration, exaggeration, exaggeration.

You must both be so horribly, horribly oppressed.

Good thing you both live in such black and white worlds, hopefully it takes the edge off for you.

 

[Colpy]

If any of you had even the slightest idea of what Facism was, you would never compare ANY Canadian government to it.

Those that refuse to study history are likely to relive the same kinds of things that history has already dealt with.

EXACTLY.

This vid is great, especially where Lefty Idiot Avi challenges Ayaan Hirsi Ali over her love for the west in general, and the United States in particular.

On The Map with Avi Lewis: Ayaan Hirsi Ali & Islamophobia - YouTube

It is a great vid....but for our purposes, start at 6:40.........and listen to the bit on America,

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

I'm sorry I must have missed the part where Mr Harper imposed a love of Canada upon me. I thank Mr Harper for awakening me to the realization that I too could stand up - loud and proud - and praise my country, its people and its land. Until he came along, we never really joined together as one huge united entity from coast to coast to coast and cheered for our country in an open and expressive manner. Many of us looked to the celebrations south of the border and though at times a tad excessive to some, envied them the unabashed love of their flag and their country. Mr Harper made wearing our flag cool.

I'm really hopping they bring back those wonderful Canadian mittens for the Sochi Olympics - I've got the hat, now I need the mittens. Take care now.

Canada isn't a pageant, it's supposed to be a free, open and civil society and under Harper it's none of those.

We barely have access to the kind of information that makes making informed choices at election time possible.

Even when it's allowed to sit the House has been tied in knots by the Harper government to the point where even longtime conservatives like Brent Rathgeber have had enough.

Our elections are barely credible now, with the last election seeing voter fraud on a large scale that still isn't being addressed by the Harper government.

What we've been given is pageantry in place of actual democratic participation of the people of Canada, and that is the essence of fascism. Canada used to stand for something more and probably will again when this sad chapter in our history is passed.

Analysis | Is Harper trying to increase Canada's military might? - Canada - CBC News

"[Harper] is certainly moving Canada into a more militarist posture globally," says Clarkson. "It's a neo-conservative view of politics, in which you leave the market to look after itself as much as possible and cut back the state to do its prime function, which has largely to do with security, both internal and external."

'To pursue one's interests isn't an act of aggression; it's not an act of bullying. It's common sense.'
— Michael Boire, Royal Military College
Michael Boire, a professor at the Royal Military College in Kingston, Ont., says that a more prominent Canadian military signals Harper's seriousness about protecting Canada's strategic interests, which include playing a heightened role in alliances like NATO and the United Nations and beefing up efforts to maintain Arctic sovereignty.

"To pursue one's interests isn't an act of aggression; it's not an act of bullying. It's common sense," said Boire.

According to Clarkson, another strategic interest for Canada is Israel. He said this explains Harper’s tough language regarding Iran, a country which on more than one occasion has threatened the obliteration of the Jewish state.

Drapeau said that by increasing Canada’s military presence, Harper may be trying to make up for the country’s previously lacklustre participation in alliances like NATO, Norad and the UN.

"As part of NATO, Canada has been accused — and I think rightly so — of not pulling its share, not spending as much as it should and not participating as robustly as it should," said Drapeau.

"Sometimes, your position or your strength and influence in world bodies depends on how many military missions you're prepared to take and how much risk you're prepared to take. In that sense, Canada's position has been elevated as a result of our contributions to both Afghanistan and Libya."

I also think this is nonsense, you don't judge a just society by how willing it is to engage in violence to assert its interests, but how responsible it is. That includes respect for peoples right to real representation, which Harper has yet to display. In 2008 he overturned more than a century of Parliamentary tradition and refused to the let the House determine who would form the government and instead acted as a virtual head of state to shut Parliament down. That wasn't the act of a democratic leader, it's the act of someone who feels entitled.

And when did Israel become a responsibility of Canadians?

Yup we're great on human rights.

Is Canada a human rights good guy? | Toronto Star

“What has happened to you guys? I thought you were the human rights good guys.”
That is what my military escort at Guantanamo Bay said one day in August while I was there to observe Omar Khadr's military commission trial. He was well aware that Khadr had long been the only Westerner left in the prison camps and that the Canadian government had no interest, to put it mildly, in giving him a hand.
Those were the words of a U.S. soldier on active duty at Guantanamo Bay — not a human-rights activist or opposition politician. And they are words that invite reflection, at year's end, about Canada's human rights standing on the world stage. What has happened to us? Are we still the human rights good guys?

At the end of the day, what transpired within the official summits was overshadowed by the staggering assault on freedom of expression that played out on the streets of Toronto. It still seems impossible to imagine that more than 1,100 people were arrested over the weekend, the overwhelming majority of whom were involved in peaceful acts of protest or were just passing by.
What is needed in the aftermath is a comprehensive joint provincial/federal public inquiry that will examine how policing the demonstrations could have gone so terribly wrong. So far, however, neither government shows any appetite for doing so.
Canada's ill-fated Security Council bid, with a withdrawal from the process to avoid certain defeat, still smarts. Many Canadians hung their heads in shame when they realized past supporters had deserted us, and it became clear that Portugal was going to leave Canada in the dust. It is the first time in UN history that we have run for a seat and lost — by no means a proud moment.

And we don't even try to get on the UN security council anymore due to lack of international support.

There is Omar Khadr. Our defiant refusal to come to the aid of a child soldier, who has made credible (fully corroborated in at least one instance) allegations of torture and ill-treatment and who has been ensnared in Guantanamo injustice for eight years, has certainly been noted. It has left open just where Canada stands on key human rights issues that we long championed, including protecting child soldiers and standing firm against torture.
There is Africa. Our nearly wholesale shift of humanitarian, diplomatic and political attention away from Africa has sent a distressing message. Canada, which has long played a key role in addressing serious human rights concerns in Africa — apartheid-era South Africa, military rule in Nigeria, catastrophe in Sudan — has now virtually become a non-player in most corners of the continent. It is a continent that needs more, not fewer, human rights champions.
There is Israel. The government proudly proclaims that Canada is a staunch friend of Israel and will not apologize for being so. Apologies are not necessary. Being a friend of Israel is a fine thing. But with friendship must come honesty about human rights. Canada has refused to criticize the Israeli government — be it at the UN or in one-on-one dealings — about the vast array of grave human rights violations that are the daily reality for Palestinians in the region; it does no favours for Palestinian victims of those violations, the hopes of lasting peace in the Middle East, and Canada's standing and reputation.

 

[Colpy]

Canada isn't a pageant, it's supposed to be a free, open and civil society and under Harper it's none of those.

We barely have access to the kind of information that makes making informed choices at election time possible.

Even when it's allowed to sit the House has been tied in knots by the Harper government to the point where even longtime conservatives like Brent Rathgeber have had enough.

Our elections are barely credible now, with the last election seeing voter fraud on a large scale that still isn't being addressed by the Harper government.

What we've been given is pageantry in place of actual democratic participation of the people of Canada, and that is the essence of fascism. Canada used to stand for something more and probably will again when this sad chapter in our history is passed.

Analysis | Is Harper trying to increase Canada's military might? - Canada - CBC News



I also think this is nonsense, you don't judge a just society by how willing it is to engage in violence to assert its interests, but how responsible it is. That includes respect for peoples right to real representation, which Harper has yet to display. In 2008 he overturned more than a century of Parliamentary tradition and refused to the let the House determine who would form the government and instead acted as a virtual head of state to shut Parliament down. That wasn't the act of a democratic leader, it's the act of someone who feels entitled.

And when did Israel become a responsibility of Canadians?

Yup we're great on human rights.

Is Canada a human rights good guy? | Toronto Star





And we don't even try to get on the UN security council anymore due to lack of international support.

Has it ever occurred to you that if this were a fascist state, or anything close to that, you would be hanging from your thumbs in a deep, dark, dank dungeon????

You have a free press, you can get opinion from any political viewpoint.

The courts have ruled the robocalls deal did NOT effect ANY of the ridings outcomes. Sorry, that is not "extensive" voter fraud, and the CPC did not do it.

Yeah....Canada stood for something before Trudeau Senior....we are trying to regain what we stood for.......

Military at 1.5% of GDP and being cut....not that the FACTS make any impression on the CBC.

Prorogation is a legitimate tool. They could have voted non-confidence when they came back.

Israel is the frontier of western civilization, a bastion of freedom, democracy, and tolerance alone in a sea of Islamist madness. They deserve the support of the west. Where they go, we follow........

Yeah, we are good on human rights. One of the best in the world...............

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Has it ever occurred to you that if this were a fascist state, or anything close to that, you would be hanging from your thumbs in a deep, dark, dank dungeon????

It never does.

 

[SLM]

Has it ever occurred to you that if this were a fascist state, or anything close to that, you would be hanging from your thumbs in a deep, dark, dank dungeon????

Can we make it a fascist state?

Kidding, kidding.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

!. REALLY??? Funny, I rarely see a Canadian flag casually displayed, lapel pins never, go ahead, quote me one of those "catchy slogans"....as for Xenophobia, I see that more often in leftest hatred for everything US. FAIL.

I travel outside the U.S. 3-4 times per year, and I have seen no other country (besides the U.S.) that flies the flag as much as Canada.

Not that I consider that a bad thing, just sayin'.

 

[Zipperfish]

And the proof.

 

[SLM]

And the proof.

Gah! That'll only encourage him!8O

 

[Colpy]

And the proof.

What's funny is that is exactly the way I wave too........lol.

I have been made fun of on a number of occasions.

I travel outside the U.S. 3-4 times per year, and I have seen no other country (besides the U.S.) that flies the flag as much as Canada.

Not that I consider that a bad thing, just sayin'.

Really??

Strange that.....as I have never been outside the US and Canada, I can't argue the point.

Seems I see the Acadian flag here as much as the Canadian flag.....and less often the Union Jack.

I like all three.

 

[hunboldt]

Can we make it a fascist state?

Kidding, kidding.

My cat is , I suspect, Fascist...:smile:

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

What's funny is that is exactly the way I wave too........lol.

I have been made fun of on a number of occasions.



Really??

Strange that.....as I have never been outside the US and Canada, I can't argue the point.

Seems I see the Acadian flag here as much as the Canadian flag.....and less often the Union Jack.

I like all three.

You're in NB, right? Yeah, I seen a LOT of the Acadian flag there.

But otherwise. . . Germany, Ireland, Britain, France, Italy, Belgium, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Japan, China, Singapore, Philippines, India. . . not much.

I'd say probably only Mexico and Australia come close to the U.S. and Canada.

Well, and Northern Ireland, but they're all just trying to pick a fight.