you are confusing social conservatism with religious fundamentalism.
Can we make it a fascist state?
Kidding, kidding.
Sure. Just elect the NDP. You will loose your rights and money so fast it will make your head swim.
Fascism Anyone?
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you are confusing social conservatism with religious fundamentalism.
Sure. Just elect the NDP. You will loose your rights and money so fast it will make your head swim.
I'm not concerned, individual cats don't usually have much of a following.
Unless he's Grumpy Cat, in which case we're all screwed.
Let's not and just say we did.
don't worry, the youth will, wait for it...Sharia law coming soon to a country near you...oh wait...coming here, slowly creeping like poison gas, a legacy we will saddle the next generation with.
McGuinty didn't want slow creep, he wanted fast run. Thankfully the electorate stopped him in his tracks.
http://www.nosharia.com/McGuinty-01.pdf
squinty yes I remember that, he supported the wrong thing for the right reasons...damn scary
I wouldn't say Harper and the CONS are practicing fascists but they are leaning to the Corporates and despotic leaders too much for the Canada we need.......
Canadian Ministers And Chinese Defence Chief Have Hush-Hush Meeting
China's defence minister made an unheralded stop in Canada last week, meeting with two Harper government ministers amid rising tensions over the use of chemical weapons in Syria.
Gen. Chang Wanquan had face-to-face discussions with Defence Minister Rob Nicholson and Foreign Affairs John Baird last Thursday, says Western defence sources and Chinese media reports.
There was even a side trip to Kingston, Ont., where Chang visited the Royal Military College and the Canadian Army staff college before returning to Beijing.
Chang's visit, unlike those of ministers of other high-profile nations, was kept off-the-radar by the Harper government, which neither issued a statement nor revealed that the two nations have apparently agreed to enhance military ties.
Publications in China say a deal was signed to promote high-level military exchanges and to establish a mechanism whereby the two countries can talk defence matters directly with one another.
A spokeswoman for Nicholson, Genevieve Breton, confirmed the meeting took place and described the agreement as a "non-binding" co-operation plan that formalizes a process already in place.
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China’s defence chief meets with Tory ministers in secretive trip to Canada | National Post
Oh Canada...............
Government OK's foreign bids for Nexen, Progress Energy, but promises future deals won't screw Canadians.............
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/12/07/cnooc-nexen-takeover.html
Alberta premier, Comrade Redford is leading a delegation to China next month to "drum up business."
Comrade Redford will undoubtedly be warmly embraced by her kindred spirits in the Politburo just as eager to give her the business she's there to drum up.
Was a time when Conservatives would react reflexively at the mention of the Peoples Republic of... denouncing it as totalitarian, brutal, despotic, evil. I guess that was before those came to be seen as great qualities in a business partner.
Reford and Harper love China and not just because the bosses there want to buy lots of bitumen. They love China because the Commies want to buy bitumen with no questions asked. There won't be any Chinese protesting bitumen imports - at least not for long. Contrast that with the hassles Alberta has faced over the Keystone XL pipeline. In China, Enbridge could run a pipeline like Keystone straight down the Great Wall, end to end.
Conservatives love the ChiComs because they have their people firmly under their jackboots. The Tories must dream about how great that would be, if only...........
Alison Redford to lead delegation to China | iPolitics
Canadian Ministers And Chinese Defence Chief Have Hush-Hush Meeting
China's defence minister made an unheralded stop in Canada last week, meeting with two Harper government ministers amid rising tensions over the use of chemical weapons in Syria.
Gen. Chang Wanquan had face-to-face discussions with Defence Minister Rob Nicholson and Foreign Affairs John Baird last Thursday, says Western defence sources and Chinese media reports.
There was even a side trip to Kingston, Ont., where Chang visited the Royal Military College and the Canadian Army staff college before returning to Beijing.
Chang's visit, unlike those of ministers of other high-profile nations, was kept off-the-radar by the Harper government, which neither issued a statement nor revealed that the two nations have apparently agreed to enhance military ties.
Publications in China say a deal was signed to promote high-level military exchanges and to establish a mechanism whereby the two countries can talk defence matters directly with one another.
A spokeswoman for Nicholson, Genevieve Breton, confirmed the meeting took place and described the agreement as a "non-binding" co-operation plan that formalizes a process already in place.
more
China’s defence chief meets with Tory ministers in secretive trip to Canada | National Post
Oh Canada...............
Government OK's foreign bids for Nexen, Progress Energy, but promises future deals won't screw Canadians.............
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/12/07/cnooc-nexen-takeover.html
Alberta premier, Comrade Redford is leading a delegation to China next month to "drum up business."
Comrade Redford will undoubtedly be warmly embraced by her kindred spirits in the Politburo just as eager to give her the business she's there to drum up.
Was a time when Conservatives would react reflexively at the mention of the Peoples Republic of... denouncing it as totalitarian, brutal, despotic, evil. I guess that was before those came to be seen as great qualities in a business partner.
Reford and Harper love China and not just because the bosses there want to buy lots of bitumen. They love China because the Commies want to buy bitumen with no questions asked. There won't be any Chinese protesting bitumen imports - at least not for long. Contrast that with the hassles Alberta has faced over the Keystone XL pipeline. In China, Enbridge could run a pipeline like Keystone straight down the Great Wall, end to end.
Conservatives love the ChiComs because they have their people firmly under their jackboots. The Tories must dream about how great that would be, if only...........
Alison Redford to lead delegation to China | iPolitics
Yeah, but many do.
By and large, right-wing Fascism is seen as evil, whereas left-wing Marxism is accepted, even though Marxism is worse. Pol Pot was a Marxist.
If it was true representation, Harper would have one-third of the seats in parliament with no majority.
Wow, are you really Canadian, you sound like some of my extremist right wing Yankee relatives. I love America and the passion that some have for their extreme political beliefs, but that's not the Canada I grew up knowing. One of the things that I really grew to seriously dislike about Mulroney was how much he seemed to want to make us like the US or even part of it. I was living in the US for the last years of his term and more than a few friends and family were saying Canada was soon going to be part of the US if Mulroney kept going the way he was...and they were almost right, the sovereignty issue almost took Canada out.
As for freedom of opinion, things are a lot less free now than when I was younger, Harper has gone to a lot of effort to control the media as much as possible and flow of information out of government, and that's not for our benefit, it's for his. Like with climate change, you don't wait until it's too late to do anything, you speak out while you still have a chance. If people had taken a stronger stand against Hitler, Mussolini, Franco and others like them earlier then maybe the world wouldn't have ending up tearing itself apart for years.
Pierre Trudeau brought us our Charter of Rights, that's something that a lot of us are going to be grateful for if Harper and others like him continue to try and assert their rights to the exclusion of the common good. And he was successful because he lead from the front and inspired voters, he didn't treat us like sheep as Harper is. Love or hate him, Trudeau did what he did by actual democratic consensus building, he didn't marginalize and corral the House and MPs and by extension the rest of the country as Harper has. Once again Brent Rathgeber has put it very well, he isn't in Ottawa to represent government interests to his constituents but to represent his constituents in Ottawa. Harper is all about what we can do for him and very little about what he can do for us. He doesn't even listen to his own MPs, how can he even know what's important to Canadians. He's so busy telling us how it's going to be that there's no room for how we really want things to be. And that's not democratic and as Harper is on the far right of the spectrum that takes him into fascist territory. All this stuff about him being a moderate is nonsense, he's being incremental about how he's moving the country to where he wants it and a big part of that has been dismantling the democratic traditions and structures that have prevented someone from doing that without our consent.
As for robocalls, it's obvious the conservatives did it, claiming otherwise just makes a person look silly. It was done from their campaign offices, we have the details from Guelph. It was done with their private non-supporter lists, and it largely targeted the swing ridings. Without an independent inquiry I seriously doubt that we're going to get a full inventory of what went on. If anything has been made clear in the last seven years is how good Harper is at controlling government, so claiming there's been an effective investigation by a body that Harper has tight control of is disingenuous, this is a government that often attacks it's own officials in some cases forcing them to seek legal clarification of their powers. This isn't democratic government as we've know it, however much people like you claim it is.
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There's not a single country in the world, bar some third-world wastes of time, that practice, or even claim to practice, Marxism. Your thinking is 50 years out of date, and not aging well.
Yes it is, and the intent of Parliament is to represent the interests of an entire nation, not one party or even one man. Harper wasn't elected Prime Minister, the House confers that privilege. His party got slightly more MPs elected than the next closet party, that doesn't entail a winner take all right to one man, but that's what Harper's actions indicate he believed, the other parties were going to take his office away.
There was no Constitutional crisis as Harper claimed, there was a personal crisis for him in that he was about to lose the power he had worked so hard to achieve at our expense.
Israel is a siege state that can't last unless it finds a political solution to its differences with it's neighbours.
And most of the violence in the region has little to do with religion and a great deal to do with geo and petro-politics. Condemning an entire religion of over a billion members isn't a solution and helping Israel back itself further into a corner isn't supporting it as far as I'm concerned.
Ad hominems will often get you one.I know I'm on the right track when Walter gives me a downcheck.
Hillary Clinton has been repeatedly referred to as Hitlery and Obama has been presented here in Nazi uniforms. Somehow, that has been ok for the wannabes and their deluded counterparts from the States. Of course, the term Islamofascists is the most popular term for Islamophobes on this site but that's another story.
The wildly exaggerated threat of so-called Islamic terrorism is being shamelessly used by some western governments to boost their flagging fortunes at a time of economic malaise.
Marketing fear is a sure-fire political ploy, as the Bush administration showed. But if you think promotion of “terrorism” hysteria in order to curtail democratic freedoms is something new, have a look at Germany, 1933.
In that year, Germany’s democratic Weimar republic was foundering under economic depression, mass unemployment and raging hyper-inflation. The Reichstag, or parliament, was deadlocked between bitterly feuding parties, including the minority National Socialists, led by Adolf Hitler, the Catholics, Socialists, and Communists.
In Berlin, on the night of February 23, 1933, the Reichstag was burned down by a massive fire set by an arsonist. A young Dutch Communist found on the premises was charged with the arson attack. Germany was outraged and horrified by the crime – as much as was America after 9/11.
The Communists, of course, quickly blamed the National Socialists (or Nazis, for short). But the most likely culprit was indeed the Dutch Communist.
Five days later, Weimar President Paul Hindenberg, a conservative and war hero, signed a new act known as the Reichstag Fire Decree that suspended free speech and assembly and many legal protections. It gave government the right to arrest “terrorists” under a state of emergency.
In early March, Hitler promulgated the Enabling Act that used the threat of so-called “terrorism” to give him virtual dictatorial powers. This coup was made possible by the support of the conservative Catholic Party which, having seen the slaughter of Catholics in Russia and Ukraine by Communists, decided the Nazis were a lesser evil than the Communists.
A few weeks later, arrests of Socialists, Communists and Jews began. Hitler had come to near absolute power by democratic means thanks to national hysteria and fear over so-called terrorism, an utterly meaningless but evocative propaganda term.
The Weimar republic was swept away – perfectly legally – within months. Germans, stampeded by claims of “terrorism,” disgusted by their politicians, did not mourn Weimar.
Today, we see a number of western democratic governments using some of these same shameless scare tactics to drive their nations to the right and, in some cases, keep their leaders in power.
The Charlie Hebdo spectacle in Paris was an egregious example. Before the Paris shootings, bedraggled President Francois Holland’s popularity rates had fallen to a microscopic 8%. After the giant “free speech” jamboree in Paris, his ratings have skyrocketed to close to 50%. In the case of France, “free speech” meant the right to attack and mock Muslims.
Isolated criminal acts by mentally unhinged men in Canada, Denmark, and Australia were similarly inflated into massive national scares that boosted previously unpopular governments assailed by economic problems. So too were “plots” concocted by security police using dimwits or youngsters. Just as al-Qaida fear was fizzling out, along came ISIS to scare the daylights out of westerners.
We must be very careful. Islamophobia and terror hysteria fit worryingly into the template created by former Columbia University Professor Robert Paxton in his brilliant analysis, “The Anatomy of Fascism.”
Paxton sharply defines fascism, a dreadfully over and misused term, as distinct from conservative regimes. For example, he terms 1930’s Italy and Germany as Fascist states, but Franco’s Spain as conservative.
Hallmarks of fascism:
Other traits of Fascism: militarism and historical triumphalism; glorification of war as a purification and nation-building process.
Intense propaganda about inflated military “heroes.” Sending small numbers of troops or warplanes to fight or bomb miscreant Arabs in the Mideast is a reliable Viagra for small nations with feeble military budgets.
If patriotism and nationalism are the last refuge of scoundrels, they are also the first platform of fools.
We see the right demonizing enemies who supposedly threaten the entire nation, be they anarchists, socialists, Masons, communists, Jews, or Muslims. Purging the media of free-thinking journalists is a basic step. This has happened in the US and Canada.
In Paxton’s words, “mobilizing passions…form the emotional lava that set Fascism’s foundations.” To see this, just look at fans of Clint Eastwood’s loathsome “American Sniper” film. A fascist fiesta for low-IQ Americans.
ISIS is another example of a small but murderous group whose reach and danger has been wildly hyper-inflated for western domestic political reasons. Fanatical, adept at public relations and social media, ISIS has stolen the limelight from al-Qaida and gladdened the hearts of western militarists, hard rightists, and arms makers.
In fact, ISIS appears to go out of its way to make itself hateful and repulsive to westerners. But the danger it poses outside the Mideast is so far negligible. Before we launch any more crusades against ISIS, let’s be aware that this bunch of killers originated in the US-run Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and was primarily financed by Saudis. ISIS thrives in the chaos and ruins caused by George W. Bush’s illegal invasion of Iraq and later campaign to subvert Syria.
George W. Bush was re-elected thanks to Midwestern soccer moms who feared Osama bin Laden was about to swoop down from the Hindu Kush and make off with their little Johnnies.
Something similar is happening again in North America, Australia and New Zealand. Many fear ISIS is outside Peoria or Winnipeg. Scared people readily accept dictators.
FASCISM IS COMING ALIVE AGAIN « Eric Margolis
Marketing fear is a sure-fire political ploy, as the Bush administration showed. But if you think promotion of “terrorism” hysteria in order to curtail democratic freedoms is something new, have a look at Germany, 1933.
In that year, Germany’s democratic Weimar republic was foundering under economic depression, mass unemployment and raging hyper-inflation. The Reichstag, or parliament, was deadlocked between bitterly feuding parties, including the minority National Socialists, led by Adolf Hitler, the Catholics, Socialists, and Communists.
In Berlin, on the night of February 23, 1933, the Reichstag was burned down by a massive fire set by an arsonist. A young Dutch Communist found on the premises was charged with the arson attack. Germany was outraged and horrified by the crime – as much as was America after 9/11.
The Communists, of course, quickly blamed the National Socialists (or Nazis, for short). But the most likely culprit was indeed the Dutch Communist.
Five days later, Weimar President Paul Hindenberg, a conservative and war hero, signed a new act known as the Reichstag Fire Decree that suspended free speech and assembly and many legal protections. It gave government the right to arrest “terrorists” under a state of emergency.
In early March, Hitler promulgated the Enabling Act that used the threat of so-called “terrorism” to give him virtual dictatorial powers. This coup was made possible by the support of the conservative Catholic Party which, having seen the slaughter of Catholics in Russia and Ukraine by Communists, decided the Nazis were a lesser evil than the Communists.
A few weeks later, arrests of Socialists, Communists and Jews began. Hitler had come to near absolute power by democratic means thanks to national hysteria and fear over so-called terrorism, an utterly meaningless but evocative propaganda term.
The Weimar republic was swept away – perfectly legally – within months. Germans, stampeded by claims of “terrorism,” disgusted by their politicians, did not mourn Weimar.
Today, we see a number of western democratic governments using some of these same shameless scare tactics to drive their nations to the right and, in some cases, keep their leaders in power.
The Charlie Hebdo spectacle in Paris was an egregious example. Before the Paris shootings, bedraggled President Francois Holland’s popularity rates had fallen to a microscopic 8%. After the giant “free speech” jamboree in Paris, his ratings have skyrocketed to close to 50%. In the case of France, “free speech” meant the right to attack and mock Muslims.
Isolated criminal acts by mentally unhinged men in Canada, Denmark, and Australia were similarly inflated into massive national scares that boosted previously unpopular governments assailed by economic problems. So too were “plots” concocted by security police using dimwits or youngsters. Just as al-Qaida fear was fizzling out, along came ISIS to scare the daylights out of westerners.
We must be very careful. Islamophobia and terror hysteria fit worryingly into the template created by former Columbia University Professor Robert Paxton in his brilliant analysis, “The Anatomy of Fascism.”
Paxton sharply defines fascism, a dreadfully over and misused term, as distinct from conservative regimes. For example, he terms 1930’s Italy and Germany as Fascist states, but Franco’s Spain as conservative.
Hallmarks of fascism:
- “a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond reach of any traditional solutions;
- belief that one’s group is a victim, a sentiment that justifies any action without legal or moral limits, against its internal and external foes;
- need for authority by natural leaders (always male) culminating in a national chief who alone is capable of incarnating the group’s destiny; and superiority of his instincts over abstract and universal reason.”
Other traits of Fascism: militarism and historical triumphalism; glorification of war as a purification and nation-building process.
Intense propaganda about inflated military “heroes.” Sending small numbers of troops or warplanes to fight or bomb miscreant Arabs in the Mideast is a reliable Viagra for small nations with feeble military budgets.
If patriotism and nationalism are the last refuge of scoundrels, they are also the first platform of fools.
We see the right demonizing enemies who supposedly threaten the entire nation, be they anarchists, socialists, Masons, communists, Jews, or Muslims. Purging the media of free-thinking journalists is a basic step. This has happened in the US and Canada.
In Paxton’s words, “mobilizing passions…form the emotional lava that set Fascism’s foundations.” To see this, just look at fans of Clint Eastwood’s loathsome “American Sniper” film. A fascist fiesta for low-IQ Americans.
ISIS is another example of a small but murderous group whose reach and danger has been wildly hyper-inflated for western domestic political reasons. Fanatical, adept at public relations and social media, ISIS has stolen the limelight from al-Qaida and gladdened the hearts of western militarists, hard rightists, and arms makers.
In fact, ISIS appears to go out of its way to make itself hateful and repulsive to westerners. But the danger it poses outside the Mideast is so far negligible. Before we launch any more crusades against ISIS, let’s be aware that this bunch of killers originated in the US-run Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and was primarily financed by Saudis. ISIS thrives in the chaos and ruins caused by George W. Bush’s illegal invasion of Iraq and later campaign to subvert Syria.
George W. Bush was re-elected thanks to Midwestern soccer moms who feared Osama bin Laden was about to swoop down from the Hindu Kush and make off with their little Johnnies.
Something similar is happening again in North America, Australia and New Zealand. Many fear ISIS is outside Peoria or Winnipeg. Scared people readily accept dictators.
FASCISM IS COMING ALIVE AGAIN « Eric Margolis