EU threatens U.S. with dropping trade deal over NSA

[B00Mer]

You're right Boomer... Canada doesn't spy on anyone.

Of course Canada spies EagleSmack, however Canada is not the one that is having it's secrets disclosed by a whistlerblower, now is it.

It's funny how everyone is trying to deflect away from the USA, with well you do it too.. that's sorta like the main highway between Calgary and Edmonton and getting pulled over by a police officer for doing 130KM.. and saying, but everyone else is going 130KM. The cop didn't stop everyone else, he caught YOU!! (In this case the USA & NSA)

Also Canada is probably not spying on the USA or it's allies.. probably Iran, Syria and enemy states..

Yeah B00Mer it's aliens. parked in North Bay, Cheyenne Mountain, Menwith Hill and so on.

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Wow, you didn't use quotes.. Menwith Hill in the UK.. already mentioned it..

North Bay, you forgot about Chilliwack, BC under ground facility.

A little naive huh?

How's that?? Already said Canada's spies.. but it's not Canada's dirty laundry being aired by a whistelblower..

 

[EagleSmack]

Of course Canada spies EagleSmack, however Canada is not the one that is having it's secrets disclosed by a whistlerblower, now is it.

It's funny how everyone is trying to deflect away from the USA, with well you do it too.. that's sorta like the main highway between Calgary and Edmonton and getting pulled over by a police officer for doing 130KM.. and saying, but everyone else is going 130KM. The cop didn't stop everyone else, he caught YOU!! (In this case the USA & NSA)

Also Canada is probably not spying on the USA or it's allies.. probably Iran, Syria and enemy states..

Nobody is deflecting anything. You seem to think that because the USA has a whistle blower that they are somehow more guilty than other nations. Canada certainly spies... they just don't have a whistle blower... yet.

Another way of looking at it is that you and I were both racing down the highway and I got caught. Then you getting all uppity and accusatory that I was racing because you weren't caught.

Sorry we're screwing up your thread. You seemed to be having so much fun.

 

[B00Mer]

Nobody is deflecting anything. You seem to think that because the USA has a whistle blower that they are somehow more guilty than other nations. Canada certainly spies... they just don't have a whistle blower... yet.

Another way of looking at it is that you and I were both racing down the highway and I got caught. Then you getting all uppity and accusatory that I was racing because you weren't caught.

Sorry we're screwing up your thread. You seemed to be having so much fun.

Yes, but who got the ticket..

...sorry for displaying such Uppity-ism.

 

[Machjo]

OK, stop trying to compare Canada to the USA.. SHOW ME PROOF THAT CANADA IS SPYING ON THE USA.. SHOW ME PROOF !!

The fact is Snowden has provided PROOF.. now the USA is being publicly flogged by the International community for it's blatant hypocrisy.



CSIS probably spies more on it's own people that foreign states..

Why only on the USA? Is it right for Canada to spy at all?

And you're right, I have no proof that Canada is spying on anyone. But I can take a gander that it probably is, otherwise the RCMP could do CSIS' job, no?

Of course Canada spies EagleSmack, however Canada is not the one that is having it's secrets disclosed by a whistlerblower, now is it.

So there is nothing wrong with spying as long as you don't get caught?

Well golly, with morals like that i guess there's nothing wrong with me shoplifting as long as I don't get caught, right?

Now if what you meant was simply that I can't be prosecuted until I get caught, then I suppose that's fair enough, I suppose.

But then how about making CSIS transparent to be sure if it has nothing to hide as is all above board.

 

[B00Mer]

Why only on the USA? Is it right for Canada to spy at all?

And you're right, I have no proof that Canada is spying on anyone. But I can take a gander that it probably is, otherwise the RCMP could do CSIS' job, no?

OH for Christ sake!! Is Snowden a Canadian or American? Is Snowden rating out the USA spy agency or Canada..

This thread is about Snowden and the effects of his whisltelblowing.. Canada is not on trail in the Media, the USA is..

 

[EagleSmack]

Yes, but who got the ticket..

That is true.

Doesn't mean you don't sound like a hypocrite nor does it mean folks just have to let you drone on day after day without being called out.

OH for Christ sake!! Is Snowden a Canadian or American? Is Snowden rating out the USA spy agency or Canada..

This thread is about Snowden and the effects of his whisltelblowing.. Canada is not on trail in the Media, the USA is..

LMAO... are you feeling cheated?

 

[Machjo]

It's funny how everyone is trying to deflect away from the USA, with well you do it too.. that's sorta like the main highway between Calgary and Edmonton and getting pulled over by a police officer for doing 130KM.. and saying, but everyone else is going 130KM. The cop didn't stop everyone else, he caught YOU!! (In this case the USA & NSA)

Who's excusing the USA? All I'm saying is let's not point the finger at our neighbour for shoplifting when we do it too.

 

[B00Mer]

LMAO... are you feeling cheated?

extremely...

 

[EagleSmack]

Who's excusing the USA? All I'm saying is let's not point the finger at our neighbour for shoplifting when we do it too.

Oh for Pete's Sake... they got caught not us! We can give them s*** for getting caught and they and you should just shut the BEEP up and take it!


Sound about right Boomer?

extremely...

Sounds it. Better luck next time eh?

 

[B00Mer]

Sounds it. Better luck next time eh?

Careful.. Canada will be probing your azz soon enough.. (who's this guy posting on Canadain forums from the USA ) LOL

I would love to know if Canada had access to Prism being that The USA and Canada are such close allies.

I mean, Canada pretty much shares everything with the USA, voter registration lists handeled by US companies, census, criminal records of all Canadians.. there is not much that goes on in Canada that the US/NSA doesn't know about.. Canada is basically just a small state with an independent government.. sorta like CNMI

 

[Machjo]

OK Boomer, yes I agree that the USA violated not only international laws but also serious moral and ethical laws by engaging in espionage, and yes any nation that does not engage in espionage ought to take a strong stance against it.

If Canada wants to point the finger at the US here, by all means, but only once we make CSIS transparent and see what kind of slimy missions it's been involved in.

I personally condemn espionage wholeheartedly and woudl gladly turn in a spy, even if it were a Canadian spy spying on an enemy country for Canada.

To me, espionage is moraly inexcusable and when it's by one country against another, it's essentially an act of war.

 

[Goober]

I couldn't really make out what you said... Can you speak a little more clearly and directly into the carnation in my lapel?

Ah 86, the old recording device in the carnation in the lapel trick.

 

[B00Mer]

eh, who starting this fukking thread anyhow..

Everyone is dirty some how, some way.. and until they get caught.. we can only speculate to that country's involvement..

However, Snowden has pointed out that in this case, the USA is acting hypocritical. There was suppose to be a meeting between Obama and China with regards to China hacking a spying on the USA.. Obama was furious about incidents and wanted it to stop.

You don't go around the world telling countries to stop spying on you, when you are doing it to them..

You have to see the hypocritical irony in this..

I'm not condoning the USA for spying.. but, don't being telling other countries that it's unacceptable to spy on the USA, but it's OK for the USA to spy on them.. :lol: :lol:

I mean seriously, data mining has been going on forever. If you search Google or visit Facebook ads are directed to you based on your previous searches, likes and dislikes.

If you ever send a text message, then delete it.. it's still sitting on a server, it has not really been deleted.. even your emails.. after you delete them..they are still still on a server and can be read by any tech savy person with access to that server, or hacker.

Nothing is private in the cyber world.. my IP while making this post is logged and can be traced, as is yours..

 

[Machjo]

There is such a thing as proper channels. Rather than go to the media, Snowden should have taken the case to a US court or, if he did not trust that such a court could be objective, then to the International Court of Justice.

There is a reason for the rule of law in a civilized society.

 

[B00Mer]

There is such a thing as proper channels. Rather than go to the media, Snowden should have taken the case to a US court or, if he did not trust that such a court could be objective, then to the International Court of Justice.

He obviously didn't think that would work..

 

[Machjo]

He obviously didn't think that would work..

Why would it not have worked. The ICJ is hardly the US' puppet. If he had legitimate claims, the ICJ would certainly have given him a hearing. At least then he could claim he took it to a proper court. The court of public opinion does not count.

 

[B00Mer]

The court of public opinion does not count.

Works pretty good in the USA.. You can be convicted before you even get to court..

Others are aware of this, such as Julian Assange. Another hero for the New Age..

 

[Machjo]

Works pretty good in the USA.. You can be convicted before you even get to court..

Others are aware of this, such as Julian Assange. Another hero for the New Age..

Unless Assange committed the his acts on US soil, US law should not apply to him.

As for the claims against him in Sweden, I don't know if he's guilty of rape or not, but either way he should be a man, go to Sweden and clear his name. If he does not trust the Swedish court system (I can't immagine why he shouldn't), then Ecuador should send him to the ICJ to determine his case. Almost guaranteed it would not take long for the ICJ to send him off to Sweden to face trial.

Another way of looking at it. Assange and Snowden have made serious accusations against the USA. The USA cannot get a fair trial in the court of public opinion. At least if it's taken to the ICJ, the US woudl have a chance to present its case too if it chose to do so. At least it would be given a chance to prove itself. Until then, Assange's and Snowden's claims are just that, claims.

I still believe in due process.

 

[B00Mer]

As for the claims against him in Sweden, I don't know if he's guilty of rape or not, but either way he should be a man, go to Sweden and clear his name.

Yeah, that's what the USA wants to they can extradite him to be on trial in the USA.. it's a friggin setup.

 

[Machjo]

Yeah, that's what the USA wants to they can extradite him to be on trial in the USA.. it's a friggin setup.

Why would Sweden extradite Assange to the USA. They want him on unrelated rape charges. Trust me, the UK would have been more likely to hand him over to the US than Sweden since it's an ally (Sweden is merely a friendly nation, not a treaty partner of any kind), and even it did not do so.

Even if Assange made it to the US (unless some idiot sends him off to Guantanamo), you can pretty well guarantee the US coourt would first want to determine if the actions for which he is accused were committed while he was on US soil. If not, they'd gladly send him off to whatever country will try him for a crime on their national soil.

Even the US knows that so more likely than not the worse punishment they could give him would be to simply make him persona non-grata to give him a hard time at any port of entry.

Unless of course it could be proven that he was on US soil when he committed these acts.

To take an example, if I'm sitting at a computer in Canada and steal money from a US bank online, US law could not touch me. Sure they'd pass all info on to the Canadian authorities to nail my azz, but that's a separate matter.

As for conspiracy theories concerning the US involved in setting rape charges against Assange in Sweden, it would be an extremely stupid move because:

1. What would the US get out of it other than giving him a hard time in Sweden for its own sake, and

2. If the US were found out, they already tarnished reputation woudl look even worse.

I have a hard time immagining any US government agency is involved in his Swedish rape claims. It it were found that some US department were involved, you could bet your bottom dollar some head woudl roll. The US would not want to touch this with a ten-foot pole if it has any thought processes going on up there.

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Ouch.

"President Barack Obama tried on Monday to reassure European allies affronted by reports of U.S. spying by suggesting all the world's intelligence services were involved in finding out the thinking of opponents and allies alike."