English Debate Tonight
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That's what the NDP do best. Tax and spend. They are the only party that refuses to cut taxes even though we have a 12 Billion dollar surplus.
Layton has yet to lay off taxing the dead. (estate tax)
Layton has yet to lay off taxing the dead. (estate tax)
:roll: Spend, Spend, Spend...Doesn't anyone realize what they were intending to spend on? Why it was social programs and infrastructure for everybody, how selfish. :roll: :roll: I for one could keep the taxes where they are, as long as they are used as they should be, and not wasted.
RE: English Debate Tonigh
Ah, the greed people have spoken. Nevermind that you all want something from the government. Nevermind that what Layton got for us was going to go to Martin and Harper's corporate cronies to ship back to their head offices as profit. Nevermind that the debt we are paying off was created mostly by the Conservatives.
Nope, none of that counts because a couple of rubes who know nothing about politics and even less about the NDP have decided that all the NDP do is tax and spend.
Ah, the greed people have spoken. Nevermind that you all want something from the government. Nevermind that what Layton got for us was going to go to Martin and Harper's corporate cronies to ship back to their head offices as profit. Nevermind that the debt we are paying off was created mostly by the Conservatives.
Nope, none of that counts because a couple of rubes who know nothing about politics and even less about the NDP have decided that all the NDP do is tax and spend.
Re: RE: English Debate Tonight
When Dalton was elected there certainly was a perception he would just be a lap puppy for Martin. Then straight away, Dalton introduced the "health tax", very unpopular and a broken promise. It became evident that Martin wasn't pleased by this and it did hurt Liberal votes in Ontario.
Now with the daycare issue and the ban on hand guns we know they will "role over and do tricks for on the national unity issue".
Ontario should flex its provincial power muscle, and under Harris there were threats to do just that, but that momentum has been slowed down.
Ontario thinks it is the country, so jurisdiction gets fuzzy over here....
Calberty said:
When Dalton was elected there certainly was a perception he would just be a lap puppy for Martin. Then straight away, Dalton introduced the "health tax", very unpopular and a broken promise. It became evident that Martin wasn't pleased by this and it did hurt Liberal votes in Ontario.
Now with the daycare issue and the ban on hand guns we know they will "role over and do tricks for on the national unity issue".
Ontario should flex its provincial power muscle, and under Harris there were threats to do just that, but that momentum has been slowed down.
Ontario thinks it is the country, so jurisdiction gets fuzzy over here....
Bob Rae definitely had some NDP traits about him.
A good read on him here. Pay attention to the "Premier" section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Rae
"The Rae government's affirmative action measures also proved controversial. In 1993, the government sought to improve the numbers of women, non-whites, aborginals and disabled persons working in the public sector. It was assumed by most that this would be accomplished through preferential hiring methods. This policy would probably not have occasioned much controversy in a better economic climate; in the middle of a recession, however, many unemployed workers regarded it as discriminatory. Some in the political opposition described it as racist, and there is little doubt that the controversy cost the NDP support among its working-class base. In addition, there were some on the political left who believed the NDP was unduly emphasizing race ahead of class considerations in this period."
A good read on him here. Pay attention to the "Premier" section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Rae
"The Rae government's affirmative action measures also proved controversial. In 1993, the government sought to improve the numbers of women, non-whites, aborginals and disabled persons working in the public sector. It was assumed by most that this would be accomplished through preferential hiring methods. This policy would probably not have occasioned much controversy in a better economic climate; in the middle of a recession, however, many unemployed workers regarded it as discriminatory. Some in the political opposition described it as racist, and there is little doubt that the controversy cost the NDP support among its working-class base. In addition, there were some on the political left who believed the NDP was unduly emphasizing race ahead of class considerations in this period."
Jo Canadian said:
They also intend to spend (waste) it on corporate subsidies for the auto sector. That is priceless coming from the NDP. Of course, Jack is just trying to buy back support from the union leadership. We wouldn't need so many damn social programs if the government would just keep their grubby hands off our money.
Would you rather see those jobs go to Mexico or the slave states, MMMikey?
The fact is that if the corporations want the money, they have to create the jobs and develop the technology. The Liberals and Conservatives have a long record of handing over money with no strings attached. The money then flees and the jobs never materialise.
The fact is that if the corporations want the money, they have to create the jobs and develop the technology. The Liberals and Conservatives have a long record of handing over money with no strings attached. The money then flees and the jobs never materialise.
MMMike said:
Well, at least the Auto workers Union boss had a reality check and is supporting the Liberal Party....the party most of the membership actually votes for. In Quebec the Labour parties never endorse the NDP. Gee whiz. Tells you something about the lapsed focus of the party on the working man and farmer. It's now the party of Jack Layton and Svend Robinson.
RE: English Debate Tonigh
Don't forget to check the comments he made on CTV and CBC as well. That'd be Mike Duffy and Don Newman's shows.
Don't forget to check the comments he made on CTV and CBC as well. That'd be Mike Duffy and Don Newman's shows.
Reverend Blair said:
The whole idea of corporate subsidies is repugnant. Governments should not be picking one sector over another and rewarding it with taxpayer money. Use the cash to lower corporate income taxes across the board - this will benefit the entire business community, from the family business to the largest corporation.
RE: English Debate Tonigh
Corporate tax breaks are just a subsidy by another name, MMMikey...especially when they ship their profits off to a foreign country.
Corporate tax breaks are just a subsidy by another name, MMMikey...especially when they ship their profits off to a foreign country.
Re: RE: English Debate Tonigh
:roll: Corporations don't pay tax anyway Rev. It is just a cost of business - passed on to consumers. People pay taxes, though, on corporate income distributed to share holders, through capital gains tax etc... It all gets taxed in the end.
Reverend Blair said:
:roll: Corporations don't pay tax anyway Rev. It is just a cost of business - passed on to consumers. People pay taxes, though, on corporate income distributed to share holders, through capital gains tax etc... It all gets taxed in the end.
RE: English Debate Tonigh
If corporations don't pay tax, then why are you concerned about lowering their taxes? How come when they get multi-billion dollar tax cuts they don't drop their prices?
Corporate tax breaks are just a subsidy by another name, MMMikey.
If corporations don't pay tax, then why are you concerned about lowering their taxes? How come when they get multi-billion dollar tax cuts they don't drop their prices?
Corporate tax breaks are just a subsidy by another name, MMMikey.
Re: RE: English Debate Tonigh
Very true. We're coming up to year end and we'll paying more income tax on the dividends of our energy shares than employment income...a lot more. More money transfered from Aberta to 'Big Brothewr' in Ottawa. It's odd the way folks think of 'corporations' as monolithic anonymous entities when a lot of those same folks either work in one or have pensions, mutual funds, etc. invested in them. The overwhelming number of corporations are family owned and operated.
MMMike said:
Very true. We're coming up to year end and we'll paying more income tax on the dividends of our energy shares than employment income...a lot more. More money transfered from Aberta to 'Big Brothewr' in Ottawa. It's odd the way folks think of 'corporations' as monolithic anonymous entities when a lot of those same folks either work in one or have pensions, mutual funds, etc. invested in them. The overwhelming number of corporations are family owned and operated.