English Debate Tonight

[no1important]

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Poll shows Martin topped debate

A teaser:

OTTAWA -- Paul Martin's animated debate-night defence of federalism and the Charter of Rights appeared to win favour with voters, suggests a new poll that proclaims the Liberal leader the winner of last week's English-language encounter.

But the Decima Research survey also indicates New Democrat Leader Jack Layton struck a chord with many viewers, and that Conservative Leader Stephen Harper made the poorest impression of the three national party leaders.

The poll found 31 per cent of respondents thought Martin won the debate, with 20 per cent picking Harper and 17 per cent going for Layton.

The results of the online tracking survey, conducted with the help of Carleton University's School of Journalism and provided to CP, suggested that 49 per cent of respondents said the debate improved their perception of Layton.

In the study, 51 per cent of respondents said the unity remark made them more likely to vote Liberal, while 47 per cent said the same about the charter exchange.

Layton, meanwhile, made substantial gains, Anderson said.

"The really important measures here are probably Layton's continued ability to impress people as an empathetic person and as a skilled communicator, and at the same time, Stephen Harper doesn't seem to be able to achieve that measure of connection with people."

Anderson said the NDP leader could be a problem for Harper. [/end of teaser]

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Well hopefully the NDP can pick up an extra seat or 4 out of this, especially if Jack can increase his improved perception for the next debates. To me I thought Jack did better than Martin and Harper.

 

[Jo Canadian]

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A round robin would be like the WWF though, Jo.

Sorry, I can't imagine any one of them wearing wrestling tights.

It seems we're not alone in wanting certain changes with the Debate format:Duceppe urges changes to election debate format

 

[Calberty]

It's interesting that TV ratings are completely at odds with the so-called numbers of Canadians who are said to have watched the debates (via political polls).

TV ratings have about 8% of Quebecers tuning in to some (not all) of Friday's debate. Making it 29th in program ratings for the week.

 

[coldstream]

Who the hell is Steven Harris?

Reverend Blair,

I meant Mike Harris.. the slimiest and most incompetent Premier in Canadian history.. of any province. His privatization, regressive social policies and just outright nastiness.. has left a detritus which is still with us.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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Thanks Coldstream...I couldn't tell if you meant Harper or Harris or if there was a third person who fit the description, "the slimiest and most incompetent Premier in Canadian history.. of any province. His privatization, regressive social policies and just outright nastiness.. has left a detritus which is still with us."

I thought maybe Grant Devine had changed his name. ;-)

 

[Calberty]

Ontario Premiers:

Bob Rae: A chunk of rotten meat Ontario voters quickly tossed out. The stench still taints the NDP. A one regime wrecking ball for the party.

 

[Jay]

Ontario didn't appreciate that 10 billion dollar deficit....

 

[Calberty]

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Ontario didn't appreciate that 10 billion dollar deficit....

NDP vote in the last Ontario provincial election was 14% !! :wink: At least higher than is some other provincial elections.

Liberal Party 46.45
Progressive Conservative 34.64
New Democratic Party 14.70
Other 4.21

 

[Jay]

Harris had to float the NDP party....of course we conservatives like to have two lefty parties here, but still.

 

[Calberty]

How 'Liberal' is the current Liberal Party of Ontario. Are the Liberals more to the left or right of the mushy middle?

 

[Reverend Blair]

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Ah this is the bashing thread then? What did Mike Harris do after he left politics to "spend more time with his family?" He abandoned his family for a woman he'd been boffing on the side, of course.

What about that Jim Harris...running elected board members out of the party for daring to stand up for the party's constitution.

Let's get back to Mike Harris. Did anybody ever find out who all he paid kickbacks to on the nuclear deal?

Has he been found partially culpable for the murder of Dudley George at Ipperwash yet.

Has he been forgiven for his part in the poisoned water fiasco?

Has anybody bothered to tell Jim Harris that the green in Green Party stands for ecologically sound practices, not kickbacks for his corporate pals.

Has anybody sent him a definition of the meaning of conflict of interest?

You two are hilarous in your choice of heroes. You scream about corruption while promoting the corrupt. Jay screams about family values while championing an adulterer who abandoned his family.

 

[Jay]

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How 'Liberal' is the current Liberal Party of Ontario. Are the Liberals more to the left or right of the mushy middle?

Other than the banning of pit bulls, a very unpopular new tax, and now withholding drivers licenses from kids who don't complete school....they haven't done too much. I would have to say they love the mushy middle because they are treading on thin ice. They are barely palatable and Dolton is no leader especially compared to someone like Harris.

 

[Calberty]

What we hear in Alberta about the Ontario premier is that he's not the traditional 'federalist' that the Trudeaus and Mulroneys could depend on to role over and do tricks for on the national unity issue.

Maybe most of that, however, is just token. I sure wish Ontario would start throwing some muscle around to protect provincial jursdictions.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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What we hear about him in Manitoba is that he may not be great, but at least he isn't Mike Harris.

 

[the caracal kid]

speaking of Ontario vs the feds. I once heard that back during the Mulroney days Mulroney's government actually took action to cool the economy in Ontario which was under Rae/NDP and that the way they did it left the populus to blame Rae for a faltering of an economy that was quite "hot" (too hot for Mulroney's plans).

Is this true?

 

[Calberty]

The NDP never learns. If you want to understand the disaster of the Rae NDP government then look at the Rae government.

In comparison, look at the good, or at least 'decent' job the NDP provincial governments have done in Manitoba and Saskatchewan. In both those provinces the NDP governmnets have tried to accomplish progressive social change within the parameters of the cards that have been dealt to them. The goal being to make improvements for the people and not to work for some lofy 'la-la' ideals.

The Rae government was an unmitigated disaster. It didn't listen to the workers and farmers but to academics and politicos.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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Bob Rae is in the running for the next leader for the federal Liberals. Only those completely unaware of the Canadian political situation consider him to be related to the NDP. It would take spending the last six or eight months in a sensory deprivation tank for somebody who really follows politics to have missed that. Either that or you'd have to be a complete moron.

Never mind all of that though...far be it from me to presume that people who want to talk politics have any understanding of them.

People keep bringing up Rae. 4 years in one province and he's Satan and so is anybody who shares his temporary party's initials. Hey, Tommy Douglas never ran a deficit in 17 years as premier af Saskatchewan. How come nobody ever mentions that? Especially with all he accomplished in those years?

Roy Romanow draaged Saskatchewan away from the brink of bankruptcy after the Conservatives were done with it. Lorne Calvert made it into a have province.

What's Jim Harris done, Calberty? Sucked on some corporate excess for a few dollars in his personal bank account, and that's all he's done.

 

[Calberty]

What has Layton done other than kiss the Liberal ass last April and endorse a THIEF, Sven Robinson. to run for the NDP? Layton does, have to grant him, have a good tailor and a dentist who keeps his pearly whites gleaming beneath that smirk.

Just as Benson turned to Quayle and said ''You are not a Jack Kenedy'...so I say to Layton:

"You are no Tommy Douglas"

Hint: Next NDP leader. Get a 'regular' guy or gal who looks like more like or Ralph Klein or a Saskatchewan farmer than someone like Layton who would freak out if his patent leather shoes ever stepped in a cow pie.

 

[no1important]

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What has Layton done other than kiss the Liberal ass last April and endorse a THIEF, Sven Robinson. to run for the NDP?

They got some their policies passed in the last budget:

The deal between the Liberals and the NDP included:

* $1.6 billion for affordable housing construction, including aboriginal housing.

* A $1.5-billion increase in transfers to provinces for tuition reduction and better training through EI.

* $900 million for the environment, with one more cent of the federal gas tax going to public transit.

* $500 million for foreign aid to bring Canada in line with a promise of 0.7 per cent of GDP.

* $100 million for a pension protection fund for workers.

from here

Which is a hell of a lot more than Stephen Harper accomplished. All Harper wanted was another election and was most unproductive in the House of Commons. Harper just likes to whine, nothing more.

 

[Calberty]

:roll:

NDP

Spend. Spend. Spend.

Anyone in Ontario. Remember these words BOB RAE.

It really isn't all that hard to spend taxpayer's money.

spend. spend. spend.

Need a solution? :idea:

The NDP answer.... spend some more :roll: :roll: :roll: