ENGLISH CREATED AND PRESERVES AMERICA

Martin Le Acadien

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manda said:
Martin Le Acadien said:
Le Français est une langue légale en Louisiane, les professeurs à l'école il y a cinquante ans a essayé de nous forcer à apprendre l'anglais par l'agenouillement vers le bas en riz. Ceci a augmenté notre amour pour l'anglais.


French is a legal language in Louisiana, the teachers in school fifty years ago did try to force us to learn English by kneeling down in rice. This increased our love for English.

If caught speaking French, you kneel in rice, Thank God for CIVIL RIGHTS, the barbarism stopped COLD!

Nous fierons a parler Français!

Je suis une habitante de l'ile du Prince Edouard, ou il n'est pas neccessaire d'appredre des autres langues que anglais. Je suis une anglephone, et mon pere vient de l'angleterre, mais j'ai etudie les autre langues parce que j'avais le droit. C'est contre nos droits humains de nous arrettons de parler nos langues maternelles.

Es una trabaja por todo el mundo de usamos nuestros derechos de no solamente hablamos nuestros linguages primarias, pero apprendan otros culturas y idiomas tambien.

to persecute and force others into any one language is foolish. The English language has been enormously enriched by influences of other languages, and not to embrace them is wrong.

Because I have the right, I went to University, and not only studied literature and development of my maternal language, but 3 others. Because of this I have opened international doors for myself, and did not have to be a playground bully in the process. I also learned countless things about the cultures that evade translation. Without it's language, a culture can be lost


-desole, je ne peux pas ajouter les accents a mon ordinateur de travail

-lo siento, no tengo la capabilidad de usar los accentos a mi ordinadora de trabaja

Cuando un person se hablan tres lenguas, el person vive in tres mundos. Mi familia comprende la lengua de Los Francos, Espanoles y Anglos, nostros somos para listos por el mundo nuevo!

Parlez trois langue en la maison de Martin, Le Acadien.

Nascar, we have been speaking French before there was a "United States of America", Spanish is our second language guess who the late arrival was?
 

beentheredonethat

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Reverend Blair said:
You took the time to discover your doctor's religion, beenthere?

Yes. And when I was uncertain about another doctor's religion at Christmas, I called to be sure he was not Jewish - because I was planning to send him a Christmas card. He was not Jewish. But I explained why I wanted to know and that I didn't want to offend him....his nurse was very nice about it. They have one dr. in the practice who is Jewish. And since I was always mistaken for being Jewish when I was not - I try to be sensitive about this isue.

Been There
 

beentheredonethat

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Shiva said:
Nascar_James said:
We don't want America to become another Quebec, with two languages constantly fighting over each other. Here, English is the only language. New immigrants must learn and pass an English test to become citizens.

There are large numbers of hispanics here in the US, particularly in the southern states. However, when they become citizens, they have a knowledge of English. Bottom line is English speaking citizens of the US should not be penalized if they do no speak Spanish. Folks here can easily work for the Federal government knowing only English. I cannot say the same thing in Canada. Many jobs there now require bilingualism. Too bad.

And how are English speaking citizens being penalized because they don't speak Spanish? Because they learn it in schools?! What kind of logic is that? Learning another language, Spanish or otherwise, is only beneficial to a person's understanding of his own culture and that of others. Never before have I heard of learning being disparaged as penalisation, and I think that says something about misplaced values.

English speaking people built America and made it what it is today. If you don't speak Spanish nowadays, you could lose a job or not get a job. Many jobs, in order to accomodate the increasing Spanish population, require bi-linqual skills. It is not fair to the older population who was raised in a all-English environment.

Been There
 

Vanni Fucci

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beentheredonethat said:
English speaking people built America and made it what it is today. If you don't speak Spanish nowadays, you could lose a job or not get a job. Many jobs, in order to accomodate the increasing Spanish population, require bi-linqual skills. It is not fair to the older population who was raised in a all-English environment.

Been There

...and 30 years ago the idea of using computers for business was in the realm of science fiction...people who wanted to advance learned to adapt to the new landscape of business, and the same will happen with regards to language...
 

ElPolaco

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beentheredonethat said:
English speaking people built America and made it what it is today. If you don't speak Spanish nowadays, you could lose a job or not get a job. Many jobs, in order to accomodate the increasing Spanish population, require bi-linqual skills. It is not fair to the older population who was raised in a all-English environment.

Been There

My wife's family have been in this country since the late 16th century. They still speak mainly Spanish and some don't speak any English. They helped build the country. My relatives who speak Polish, came to this country in the 20th century. They, likewise, helped build the country. People of many languages built America.
 

beentheredonethat

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ElPolaco said:
beentheredonethat said:
English speaking people built America and made it what it is today. If you don't speak Spanish nowadays, you could lose a job or not get a job. Many jobs, in order to accomodate the increasing Spanish population, require bi-linqual skills. It is not fair to the older population who was raised in a all-English environment.

Been There

My wife's family have been in this country since the late 16th century. They still speak mainly Spanish and some don't speak any English. They helped build the country.

Well, according to Vanni they should have learned to speak English
in all this time, as he says: "people who wanted to advance learned to adapt to the new landscape of business, and the same will happen with regards to language." That means your Spanish
relatives who live in the US have failed to learn the English language in 400 years? Why not? :idea:

Been There
 

Shiva

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beentheredonethat said:
Well, according to Vanni they should have learned to speak English
in all this time, as he says: "people who wanted to advance learned to adapt to the new landscape of business, and the same will happen with regards to language." That means your Spanish
relatives who live in the US have failed to learn the English language in 400 years? Why not? :idea:

Been There

No, it means English wasn't relevant to them because in their area business was conducted in Spanish and they had no need to learn another language. It flies in the face of the idea that the U.S. is an English speaking nation, the point of what he said. Those who need to be bilingual in these areas have to adapt to the already existing norm and adapt to this reality, instead of moving from another region in the U.S. to Spanish speaking areas and expecting to impose their norm on these Americans.
 

Hard-Luck Henry

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beentheredonethat said:
ElPolaco said:
beentheredonethat said:
English speaking people built America and made it what it is today. If you don't speak Spanish nowadays, you could lose a job or not get a job. Many jobs, in order to accomodate the increasing Spanish population, require bi-linqual skills. It is not fair to the older population who was raised in a all-English environment.

Been There

My wife's family have been in this country since the late 16th century. They still speak mainly Spanish and some don't speak any English. They helped build the country.

Well, according to Vanni they should have learned to speak English
in all this time, as he says: "people who wanted to advance learned to adapt to the new landscape of business, and the same will happen with regards to language." That means your Spanish
relatives who live in the US have failed to learn the English language in 400 years? Why not? :idea:

Been There


Being your usual bigoted self on this one, I see, Been Here?

There are plenty of places in the US with a strong Hispanic heritage - it's hardly surprising that spanish is widely spoken. Much of the US is sparsely populated, and the people there - especially the older generations - had, and have, very little contact with the outside world. It's only very recently, through modern telecommunications and other media, that the English language has become so all pervasive, so it's hardly surprising that people who have lived their whole lives in these places find that they can survive perfectly well whilst speaking Spanish. I mean, what is it they're missing ... 'Trailer Park Boys'?

The total area of the UK is considerably less than the total area of Colorado alone and yet, until very recently (and I mean within a generation), there were people in many parts of Wales - for instance - who spoke no English whatsoever. Even today, English is a second language for many in the UK. So why not in a truly vast country such as America?
 

beentheredonethat

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Hard-Luck Henry said:
beentheredonethat said:
ElPolaco said:
beentheredonethat said:
English speaking people built America and made it what it is today. If you don't speak Spanish nowadays, you could lose a job or not get a job. Many jobs, in order to accomodate the increasing Spanish population, require bi-linqual skills. It is not fair to the older population who was raised in a all-English environment.

Been There

My wife's family have been in this country since the late 16th century. They still speak mainly Spanish and some don't speak any English. They helped build the country.

Well, according to Vanni they should have learned to speak English
in all this time, as he says: "people who wanted to advance learned to adapt to the new landscape of business, and the same will happen with regards to language." That means your Spanish
relatives who live in the US have failed to learn the English language in 400 years? Why not? :idea:

Been There


Being your usual bigoted self on this one, I see, Been Here?

There are plenty of places in the US with a strong Hispanic heritage - it's hardly surprising that spanish is widely spoken. Much of the US is sparsely populated, and the people there - especially the older generations - had, and have, very little contact with the outside world. It's only very recently, through modern telecommunications and other media, that the English language has become so all pervasive, so it's hardly surprising that people who have lived their whole lives in these places find that they can survive perfectly well whilst speaking Spanish. I mean, what is it they're missing ... 'Trailer Park Boys'?

Being your usual stupid, judgemental self on this one, I see, Hardly.

There you sit, in Canada, not knowing a DAMN thing about what goes on in the Spanish speaking states - it's sounds a lot like Goofy describing the appearance of a toe fungus. UH, uh, well, DUH.

I know from personal experience and observation: If you don't know English, chances are - you will be cleaning houses, renting my house, digging ditches, have no college degree, roofing in the summer, sending money back to Mexico, eating your lunch behind a 7-Eleven, riding around in the back of a pickup, having more babies and earlier in life than you can afford, getting freebies from the health care system (like childbirth), ------>>>>but if you learn English, you can quit depending on friends who know English to translate for you.

And don't you DARE say I don't know what I am talking about. Don't you DARE. It is not bigotry. It's observation, not conjecture. At least it's not idiocy like your high-fallutin' pronouncements.
Whoops - let me define idiocy for you: extreme mental retardation.

Been There (literally this time)
 

Hard-Luck Henry

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If you don't know English, chances are - you will be cleaning houses, renting my house, digging ditches, have no college degree, roofing in the summer, sending money back to Mexico, eating your lunch behind a 7-Eleven, riding around in the back of a pickup, having more babies and earlier in life than you can afford, getting freebies from the health care system (like childbirth), ------>>>>but if you learn English, you can quit depending on friends who know English to translate for you.



It is not bigotry. It's observation, not conjecture.

UH, uh, well, DUH. I sit corrected. :roll:

Whoops - let me define idiocy for you: extreme mental retardation.

Right. Presumably that's a psychologist's definition of idiocy is it, Been Here?

You state your case so well. :roll:
 

peapod

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"If you don't know English, chances are - you will be cleaning houses, renting my house, digging ditches, have no college degree, roofing in the summer, sending money back to Mexico, eating your lunch behind a 7-Eleven, riding around in the back of a pickup, having more babies and earlier in life than you can afford, getting freebies from the health care system (like childbirth), ------>>>>but if you learn English, you can quit depending on friends who know English to translate for you"

Ah! so you show yourself for what you really are flytrap. You low snot! who do you think you are? Who are you to look down on anyone that clean houses? Your a liar, there are plenty of white english speaking people doing those very jobs. You phoney!

sidenote: henry hard luck is not from canada, although we would adopt him in a nano second! And don't you even think about going after him, you carnivorus ----- fill in the blanks.
 

peapod

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Oh boy there is zillion stories out there on way hispanics and latins are treated in america, certainly explains been there flytrap post.

First Essay:
Si Se Puede: Felipe Alou Stands Up to Bigotry

In the current climate of anti-immigrant, Latino- bashing, border patroling, right-wing chic, let this message ring across the land: don't mess with Felipe Alou. Don't mess with the 70 year-old Giants manager, who has stared down the U.S. Marines, the Jim Crow south, and Major League Baseball and will give no
quarter: especially if you are just another dime store right-wing microphone jockey trying to make your name on his back.

Larry Krueger learned this late last week when the San Francisco KNBR "radio personality" described the San Francisco Giants as "brain-dead Caribbean hitters hacking at slop nightly" and then characterized Alou as having "cream of wheat in his brain." Krueger thought that his gutter racism would pass unnoticed. But by taking on Alou, Krueger has proven painfully overmatched.

Alou's response was immediate, political, and refreshingly unforgiving. "It made me sad to know that 40, almost 50 years later, we have comments like that, especially in San Francisco," he said. "There are more countries [represented] in San Francisco now than when I was a player here and I never heard anything like that. I heard it in the South and in some other cities, but not here. A man like me and the Latin guys out there, we have to be aware now that [racism] is not over yet. It is coming back."

His son Moises, who plays for the Giants, said that Krueger's comments were all too familiar to what is said by many off microphone. "In the minor leagues, people think all Dominicans, Mexicans and Venezuelans are dumb," he said. "You think if a guy doesn't speak English it's because he's stupid. You go to the Dominican and try to have conversation in Spanish, and see how easy it is." It is this pent up frustration felt by many Latino players that explains why Felipe Alou also rebuffed Krueger's efforts to save face and apologize. "I know this individual came to apologize to me. Are you kidding? There is no way to apologize for that kind of thing. If I say I accept it, the Latin players will never forgive me. There's no way to apologize for such a sin." Alou also asked people to consider how many countries comprise the Caribbean, and said, "All of these people were offended by that idiot."

In taking on Alou, Krueger was out of his league. Alou was the first Dominican player ever to play in the Majors. Couple that with his dark complexion and a minor league stint in Louisiana, and Alou's intro to the United States was "a depth of racism I never saw in the Dominican Republic." While the rest of his team dined in segregated restaurants and stayed in "whites only "hotels, Alou ate meals on the team bus and scrounged for housing. But Alou never let it beat him down. "I was never scared. Some of my [Black] teammates were, but I was proud of who I was and where I was from." As a minor leaguer in Louisiana, Alou wouldn't listen when bus drivers would tell him to take his seat in the back.

This didn't stop in the minors. When Felipe played with his brothers Jesus and Matty for the Giants, it took just one losing streak for manager Alvin Dark to say, "We have trouble because we have too many Negro and Spanish-speaking players on this team. They're just not able to perform up to the white players when it comes to mental alertness."

Alou struck back by successfully campaigning for Major League Baseball to hire a person in charge of ensuring the welfare of Latin American Players. In 1965, Alou won when Commissioner William D. Eckert hired Cuban born Bobby Maduro for this newly created role. "Felipe went through a lot of trouble not just for Matty and me but a lot of Dominicans as a black Latin player," remembers Jesus. "He went through a lot to clear the path for others."

Alou's politicization continued when he saw firsthand the US Marines occupy the Dominican Republic in 1965.
"Hopefully it will be the only time I will have to confront soldiers from another country," he said in a recent interview. "We lived for months under occupation from foreign soldiers. You just can't ignore that."`

Now looking at a world where military occupation and racist slander persist, Alou is wondering how much has changed. Despite the outrage over Krueger's remarks, the radio jock has been suspended by the station for only a week. "It's a slap on the hand,' Alou said, slapping his own hand. "He could come back with something else in a week.' Alou said that in protest, he would no longer do his pregame radio spot with the station. "My voice and the voices of others can't be coming out of the same wave,' he said. "No way. I am a man of principle. I always have been and always will be.'

Yes, no wonder they are cleaning houses, and trying to rent your house, seems that just where you would like to keep them to. Careful tho, they are more and more, who knows, spanish might be required for you, elst you might have to dig ditches 8O
 

beentheredonethat

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Not the neat little bigot package you wrapped it up in eh? fly trap

http://www.ed.gov/pubs/FaultLine/who.html

I repeat: There you sit, in Canada, not knowing a DAMN thing about what goes on in the Spanish speaking states - it's sounds a lot like Goofy describing the appearance of a toe fungus. UH, uh, well, DUH...

All you know how to do is point from afar - criticizing and creating a negative image about others, always blaming others for their failings and their problems, instead of analyzing what you can do to improve yourself. You anti-American crackpot - you feel you have no control, are so incredibly insignificant, that you must micromanage on a forum where you supposedly important in order to salvage a speck of self-respect.

From now on the term "googler" will apply to a person who knows how to google, but know nothing to be ACTUALLY true. OH - yeah, you are likely to be a migrant worker if you don't speak English. I forgot that one.

Been There, Seen It, and Know What I'm Talking About....No Googling Necessary
 

beentheredonethat

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no1important said:
Pea is not the crackpot, flytrap.

Did I say anything to you? Whoops, I forgot you are no one important. Sorry, won't waste my time on you again. If she calls me a low snot, I am entitled to retaliate.

Been There
 

Cosmo

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beentheredonethat said:
no1important said:
Pea is not the crackpot, flytrap.

Did I say anything to you? Whoops, I forgot you are no one important. Sorry, won't waste my time on you again. If she calls me a low snot, I am entitled to retaliate.

Been There

Chill Been There. Your comments were racist and if you make statements like that, you have to toughen up your skin a little. I found your comments offensive too ... insinuating non English speaking people are somehow less capable.

Instead of throwing a pissy fit, why not give rational argument?

You'll find a lot of resistance here to anyone denigrating any group of people. That's how it is. You have every right to your opinions, but if you make racist comments, expect backlash. It is not tolerated well at this board.
 

Nascar_James

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Shiva said:
beentheredonethat said:
Well, according to Vanni they should have learned to speak English
in all this time, as he says: "people who wanted to advance learned to adapt to the new landscape of business, and the same will happen with regards to language." That means your Spanish
relatives who live in the US have failed to learn the English language in 400 years? Why not? :idea:

Been There

No, it means English wasn't relevant to them because in their area business was conducted in Spanish and they had no need to learn another language. It flies in the face of the idea that the U.S. is an English speaking nation, the point of what he said. Those who need to be bilingual in these areas have to adapt to the already existing norm and adapt to this reality, instead of moving from another region in the U.S. to Spanish speaking areas and expecting to impose their norm on these Americans.

Agreed that in some instances (exceptions), knowing English in the US is not an absolute requirement.

There are indeed many folks within the US of Hispanic background that are US citizens (US born) and do not speak any English. This is especially true in Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. Many of these states have pockets (ghettos) that comprise mainly of Mexican Americans. Due to a lack of English, these folks cannot work most jobs, but usually wind up working in either domestic jobs (cleaning hotels, private homes ...) or outdoor work. Outdoor type work is very popular and includes landscaping, home building and outdoor maintenence work on public property.

There is a huge demand for folks who are willing to engage in this sort of work. Example, in some cities such as Phoenix (Arizona), the temperature there sometimes reaches 115F with dry heat. Not many Americans would be able to handle the heat and work outdoors in this weather in order to maintain the roads or other type of public property work. These Mexican Americans are truly hard workers. I have noticed that the Native Americans, similar to the Mexican Americans also have a tolerance in being able to handle outdoor work in extreme climates.

However, any newcomers to the US (including Mexicans) who become citizens, will have a reasonable knowledge of English since an English test is a reqirement for citizenship. There used to be exceptions for senior citizens (which is a reasonable exception), not sure if it still exists and if so what the age cutoff is.
 

no1important

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That is one of the most bigoted racist things I ever read Nascar. I for one am glad you no longer live in Canada. Good thing as I would file report with police and see about getting you charged under "hate crime laws". Man that post is racist, sick and bigoted. man oh man I am speechless. I knew you had some extreme views but, I got to go out after reading that garbage.
 

Nascar_James

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no1important said:
That is one of the most bigoted racist things I ever read Nascar. I for one am glad you no longer live in Canada. Good thing as I would file report with police and see about getting you charged under "hate crime laws". Man that post is racist, sick and bigoted. man oh man I am speechless. I knew you had some extreme views but, I got to go out after reading that garbage.

What is rasicst about it? Am I missing something here?