England saw America not as a source of wealth, but as a dump

[EagleSmack]

Founding Fathers names are not Franklin, Jefferson and Madison. They are more like Morgan, Rockefeller and Carnegie..

No.... those were captains of industry.

 

[Ludlow]

Slave owning hypocrites with a gift for blowing smoke up everyones a$$

 

[MHz]

Company towns got away from that label by paying 'wages'. (The fact they got is all back as they owned all the stores and bars is usually downplayed)

 

[Ludlow]

No.... those were captains of industry.

When it comes to what this nation is about, these are the founding fathers. Morgan, Rockefeller and Carnegie. You can throw Ford in there as well. The limeys were interested in being land owners.

 

[EagleSmack]

When it comes to what this nation is about, these are the founding fathers. Morgan, Rockefeller and Carnegie. You can throw Ford in there as well. The limeys were interested in being land owners.

Ahhhh... no.

It was these guys.

 

[Ludlow]

Ahhhh... no.

It was these guys.

I went to school Eagle. Studied out of the same American History books as you.Not sure you see where I'm coming from.

 

[Cliffy]

I went to school Eagle. Studied out of the same American History books as you.Not sure you see where I'm coming from.

Smack don't believe nuttin his government don't tells him to believe.

 

[Kreskin]

America was a pretty complicated place (and still is).

 

[MHz]

Really??

This is how the railway system was developed. Pork-barrel politics more or less.

 

[Ludlow]

<pills

 

[Blackleaf]

Ahhhh... no.

It was these guys.

A bunch of slave owners.

 

[Ludlow]

A bunch of slave owners.

"Limey" slave owners. Let's not forget where the boats come from.

 

[Blackleaf]

"Limey" slave owners. Let's not forget where the boats come from.

Slave owners who banged on about "freedom and liberty."

 

[EagleSmack]

I went to school Eagle. Studied out of the same American History books as you.Not sure you see where I'm coming from.

I see that Rockefeller, Carnegie, Morgan were great leaders of business and men of their time. They also could be very ruthless while they built their empires. But are they Founding Fathers... nay.

 

[Ludlow]

I see that Rockefeller, Carnegie, Morgan were great leaders of business and men of their time. They also could be very ruthless while they built their empires. But are they Founding Fathers... nay.

The America that exists today, is much different than the one before the robber barons. Two different nations. Two different sets of founders.

 

[Kreskin]

The politics hasn't changed since the founding fathers era, with the exception that members of Congress no longer challenge each other to duels.

 

[EagleSmack]

The America that exists today, is much different than the one before the robber barons. Two different nations. Two different sets of founders.

Today is much different from the days of Carnegie, Rockefeller, Morgan, etc. They were just men of their time.

Respice post te, mortalem te esse memento

 

[Ludlow]

Today is much different from the days of Carnegie, Rockefeller, Morgan, etc. They were just men of their time.

Respice post te, mortalem te esse memento

These men founded Corporate America.

 

[Cliffy]

These men founded Corporate America.

I think Smack still believes in the illusion of democracy.