England, NOT the mother country
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RE: England, NOT the moth
but they are free ITN, nobody can deny that, and it wasnt fought for (but I suppose this is why some think they are still ruled by Britain, but are clearly not).
but they are free ITN, nobody can deny that, and it wasnt fought for (but I suppose this is why some think they are still ruled by Britain, but are clearly not).
Well nobody ever implied they aren't free. Sovereign, I dunno about that. The Queen is Canada's Head of State, what does that mean? The prime minister is head of government, speaks for the political majority. The governor general (in absence of the queen), as head of state, speaks for the whole country. The flag of the governor general of Canada takes precedence over all other flags (including the maple leaf) in Canada, excepting that of the Queen.
Also the Queen is Commander n Chief of the Canadian Armed Forces. Is all this ceremonial? I suppose it could be, I look at it from my point of view and I often wonder.
Also the Queen is Commander n Chief of the Canadian Armed Forces. Is all this ceremonial? I suppose it could be, I look at it from my point of view and I often wonder.
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but you know it is all voluntry, the status quo can change anytime the canadians want, I think that's what marks britain out from all the other colonial powers.
The spanish, the french, the portuguese, they would never allow their colonies to voluntarily opt out of their rule, I think WW1 was responsible for that, but at least they learnt.
And Jay, your as free as you want to be, you are as free as I, as free as any american, Britain has no hold over canada, it's just history, the queen is as much a canadian as she is britsh.....and that can change anytime, you have the right
but you know it is all voluntry, the status quo can change anytime the canadians want, I think that's what marks britain out from all the other colonial powers.
The spanish, the french, the portuguese, they would never allow their colonies to voluntarily opt out of their rule, I think WW1 was responsible for that, but at least they learnt.
And Jay, your as free as you want to be, you are as free as I, as free as any american, Britain has no hold over canada, it's just history, the queen is as much a canadian as she is britsh.....and that can change anytime, you have the right
Said1 said:
What I'm wondering about is if the Queen can invoke her powers or not, she does have powers, at least on paper, no?
I think not said:
Why would she? Like the UK, the Queen's role is almost entirely symbolic and cultural, and the powers that are constitutionally hers are only exercised upon the advice of the elected government. Among all the nations within the Common Wealth, 16 other countries recognize her as their Head of State, too.
The Blafore Agreement technically made all dominions equal to the UK, not subordinate, but we know how that worked out, for the most part.
Said1 said:Why would she? Like the UK, the Queen's role is almost entirely symbolic and cultural, and the powers that are constitutionally hers are only exercised upon the advice of the elected government. Among all the nations within the Common Wealth, 16 other countries recognize her as their Head of State, too.
The Blafore Agreement technically made all dominions equal to the UK, not subordinate, but we know how that worked out, for the most part.
Thank you.
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this is getting surreal now....but I agree with everything you 2 have just said.....just point though, the queen at 80 was on tv yesterday, and canada played MAJOR, and I mean MAJOR role in the program, I think in all honesty the queen is increadibly devoted to canada, maybe because she and her mother both did and do consider themselves "scottish" and aloof from england itself......plus she has been there 57 TIMES!!!! lol
this is getting surreal now....but I agree with everything you 2 have just said.....just point though, the queen at 80 was on tv yesterday, and canada played MAJOR, and I mean MAJOR role in the program, I think in all honesty the queen is increadibly devoted to canada, maybe because she and her mother both did and do consider themselves "scottish" and aloof from england itself......plus she has been there 57 TIMES!!!! lol
I think not said:Said1 said:Why would she? Like the UK, the Queen's role is almost entirely symbolic and cultural, and the powers that are constitutionally hers are only exercised upon the advice of the elected government. Among all the nations within the Common Wealth, 16 other countries recognize her as their Head of State, too.
The Blafore Agreement technically made all dominions equal to the UK, not subordinate, but we know how that worked out, for the most part.
Thank you.
I know, from the outside it would appear that she does have influence or potential authority, but she really doesn't. I think the head of government can appeal to her in certain cases, but I don't know any details on that at the momente.
Said1 said:
I wasn't familiar with the Blafore agreement, I appreciate that bit of info, key to the puzzle, for me anyway.
Daz_Hockey said:
Maybe she has a boyfriend?
RE: England, NOT the moth
having a monach protects you from nasties like dictators and nutty president/commander-in-cheif's, basically, if the government go crazy, she has the right to suggest to the governer general...or the governer general to sugegst to her.....to get rid of em.......would a president (who invariably is on the side of the government) have this impartiality?
I Think Not.....I thank-i-you, I thank-i-you
having a monach protects you from nasties like dictators and nutty president/commander-in-cheif's, basically, if the government go crazy, she has the right to suggest to the governer general...or the governer general to sugegst to her.....to get rid of em.......would a president (who invariably is on the side of the government) have this impartiality?
I Think Not.....I thank-i-you, I thank-i-you
Naw, it's the beer and beaver tails. No other possible explaination.
Ohh, no *must stop mind from going to guttteerrrrrrrrrr*
Ohh, no *must stop mind from going to guttteerrrrrrrrrr*
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I dunno about the Daz, King Faruk got the boot from Egypt via a military (bloodless) coup. So did the King in Greece and many others. Monarchs don't necessarily protect from anything. Although I will concede the British monarch might be a bit different.
Daz_Hockey said:
I dunno about the Daz, King Faruk got the boot from Egypt via a military (bloodless) coup. So did the King in Greece and many others. Monarchs don't necessarily protect from anything. Although I will concede the British monarch might be a bit different.
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funny...I expect you knew when you brought it up that Prince Phillip (Phillipos) is a member of the greek royal family, nope, it's very different, dispite what you may think, even during America's revolution, our king's and Queens had an impartual role, a support if you will.....Like king Felix of italy, who the italians turned to when they wanted rid of Musolini.....unlike germany, who had nowhere else to go but stick with him till the very end.
nah, unlike those examples, Britain and the commonwealth's monarchy's power is ceremonial, but could be used in extreme cases, but hopefully never will be, they are not dictatorial rulers like the ones listed there ITN
funny...I expect you knew when you brought it up that Prince Phillip (Phillipos) is a member of the greek royal family, nope, it's very different, dispite what you may think, even during America's revolution, our king's and Queens had an impartual role, a support if you will.....Like king Felix of italy, who the italians turned to when they wanted rid of Musolini.....unlike germany, who had nowhere else to go but stick with him till the very end.
nah, unlike those examples, Britain and the commonwealth's monarchy's power is ceremonial, but could be used in extreme cases, but hopefully never will be, they are not dictatorial rulers like the ones listed there ITN
They have reserve powers, which are exercised through the Governor General, last time here, was 1926....I think??
In extreme cases, I don't think intervention would be much different than asking an ally for help, meaning British parliament would decide to intervene in a military crisis.
In extreme cases, I don't think intervention would be much different than asking an ally for help, meaning British parliament would decide to intervene in a military crisis.
RE: England, NOT the moth
fact is......who do you turn to when your president forces you into situations your cannot abide by and when the opposition agrees with them (which SHOULDNT happen in democracy, but sometimes does) and are acts to which you know to be wrong and against the general will of the public?.
Nothing really, there's no respected person who is above politics who they will listen to and overule them...simply put, it's a safety valve against despotism
fact is......who do you turn to when your president forces you into situations your cannot abide by and when the opposition agrees with them (which SHOULDNT happen in democracy, but sometimes does) and are acts to which you know to be wrong and against the general will of the public?.
Nothing really, there's no respected person who is above politics who they will listen to and overule them...simply put, it's a safety valve against despotism