End the Lockdown
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Shame on all those MPs who support a UK lockdown which has already cost millions of people their jobs and will cost other people theirs while MPs' jobs are safe (for now) and they are giving themselves a payrise. They support lockdown because it doesn't affect them.
Their reckoning will come on Thursday 2nd May 2024.
Their reckoning will come on Thursday 2nd May 2024.
Noticed you never addressed the points made.
Who dies?
How many die?
And considering the change in the virus, will herd immunity even work?
i'm from the uk and we are relevent! We're important! Damnit, pay attention to me!
Great Barrington Declaration co-author: Matt Hancock is "flat wrong"
Dr Jay Bhattacharya, co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration: "The current lockdown strategy seeks herd immunity. That is the end point. The question is how much death and suffering will there be in the meantime?"
Responding to Health Secretary Matt Hancock's criticism of the Great Barrington Declaration: "There are four other human coronaviruses in common circulation. All of them are controlled by herd immunity... even when there's no vaccine.. he's just flat wrong".
Dan Wootton asks why 'big tech' and mainstream media are trying to censor it.
Dr Jay Bhattacharya: "If they care about science and the truth they'll stop doing that".
Dr Jay Bhattacharya, co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration: "The current lockdown strategy seeks herd immunity. That is the end point. The question is how much death and suffering will there be in the meantime?"
Responding to Health Secretary Matt Hancock's criticism of the Great Barrington Declaration: "There are four other human coronaviruses in common circulation. All of them are controlled by herd immunity... even when there's no vaccine.. he's just flat wrong".
Dan Wootton asks why 'big tech' and mainstream media are trying to censor it.
Dr Jay Bhattacharya: "If they care about science and the truth they'll stop doing that".
Greater Manchester rebels against lockdown
Greater Manchester is "fighting back for fairness" and will "stand firm" against government plans to move it into the highest level of Covid measures, the mayor has said.
Labour Mayor Andy Burnham said local leaders were "unanimously opposed" to the introduction of "flawed and unfair" Tier 3 rules.
Mr Burnham said they would amount to a "punishing lockdown" without "proper support" for the people and businesses affected.
Ministers "are asking us to gamble our residents' jobs, homes and businesses and a large chunk of our economy on a strategy that their own experts tell them might not work," he told a press briefing.
"Greater Manchester, the Liverpool City Region and Lancashire are being set up as the canaries in the coal mine for an experimental regional lockdown strategy as an attempt to prevent the expense of what is truly needed."
He added: "This is an important moment. Greater Manchester will stand firm. We are fighting back for fairness and for the health of our people in the broadest sense."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54557823
Greater Manchester is "fighting back for fairness" and will "stand firm" against government plans to move it into the highest level of Covid measures, the mayor has said.
Labour Mayor Andy Burnham said local leaders were "unanimously opposed" to the introduction of "flawed and unfair" Tier 3 rules.
Mr Burnham said they would amount to a "punishing lockdown" without "proper support" for the people and businesses affected.
Ministers "are asking us to gamble our residents' jobs, homes and businesses and a large chunk of our economy on a strategy that their own experts tell them might not work," he told a press briefing.
"Greater Manchester, the Liverpool City Region and Lancashire are being set up as the canaries in the coal mine for an experimental regional lockdown strategy as an attempt to prevent the expense of what is truly needed."
He added: "This is an important moment. Greater Manchester will stand firm. We are fighting back for fairness and for the health of our people in the broadest sense."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54557823
Britons are being sentenced to a slow, agonising death... by No 10's panic squad, writes PETER HITCHENS
By Peter Hitchens for The Mail on Sunday
18 Oct 2020
One of the filthiest tactics of the Panic Merchants is to claim that anyone who opposes their strangling of the country is callous and cares only about money, not life.
Dissenters have been pelted with slime of this kind by Johnson, the man who ruined Britain, and by his dense sidekick, Hancock – perhaps the first Health Secretary in history who does not know that malaria is spread by mosquitoes. They tell us we wish to ‘let the virus rip’.
Well, Johnson and Hancock, if you care so much about lives, get in touch with Lisa King, as I did. Ask her to tell you about how her husband Peter, a retired taxi driver aged 62, died.
It is a horrible, upsetting story, involving a grown man screaming in agony. And in my view it is an absolutely direct consequence of Hancock’s conversion of the NHS into a National Covid Service which treats everything else as a nuisance.
Peter King was grudgingly granted (as so many now are) a remote session with a GP who, unable to meet him, and apparently ignorant of his records, diagnosed his severe chest discomfort as reflux. I am not especially interested in blaming this doctor. Under the conditions created by Hancock, he was presumably doing his best.
But it was not good enough. Actually the trouble was far more serious – a stone trapped in his gall bladder – and the resulting delay meant he was overcome with indescribable pain a few days later.
Peter was given emergency surgery to reduce the agony, but needed a more radical operation. He was put on the urgent list for it. But this was still too late.
He fell terribly ill again and despite the heroic efforts of paramedics, he died. The many years of happy life which Peter and Lisa King might otherwise have had were wiped out for ever.
This is not just some isolated case. Something like 25 million appointments with GPs have been lost as a result of the Johnson Government’s panic (not as a result of Covid, as the hopelessly pro-Government BBC always says. The Government had a choice over how to respond, and took the wrong path).
Millions have not had referrals for diagnoses including cancer and heart disease. Some of them will have been scythed down as Peter King was. Others will have been needlessly damaged in smaller, slower ways.
But this is what Johnson and Hancock have let rip – needless pain, needless death. Let them never again dare to pretend that their original bungle, and the later months in which they have tried to save themselves from deserved disgrace, were the only way to save lives.
I suspect their panic may well in the end kill more than Covid ever did or could have done. We are in the hands of fools who will not admit they have made a terrible mistake.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...-slow-agonising-death-No-10s-panic-squad.html
By Peter Hitchens for The Mail on Sunday
18 Oct 2020
One of the filthiest tactics of the Panic Merchants is to claim that anyone who opposes their strangling of the country is callous and cares only about money, not life.
Dissenters have been pelted with slime of this kind by Johnson, the man who ruined Britain, and by his dense sidekick, Hancock – perhaps the first Health Secretary in history who does not know that malaria is spread by mosquitoes. They tell us we wish to ‘let the virus rip’.
Well, Johnson and Hancock, if you care so much about lives, get in touch with Lisa King, as I did. Ask her to tell you about how her husband Peter, a retired taxi driver aged 62, died.
It is a horrible, upsetting story, involving a grown man screaming in agony. And in my view it is an absolutely direct consequence of Hancock’s conversion of the NHS into a National Covid Service which treats everything else as a nuisance.
Peter King was grudgingly granted (as so many now are) a remote session with a GP who, unable to meet him, and apparently ignorant of his records, diagnosed his severe chest discomfort as reflux. I am not especially interested in blaming this doctor. Under the conditions created by Hancock, he was presumably doing his best.
But it was not good enough. Actually the trouble was far more serious – a stone trapped in his gall bladder – and the resulting delay meant he was overcome with indescribable pain a few days later.
Peter was given emergency surgery to reduce the agony, but needed a more radical operation. He was put on the urgent list for it. But this was still too late.
He fell terribly ill again and despite the heroic efforts of paramedics, he died. The many years of happy life which Peter and Lisa King might otherwise have had were wiped out for ever.
This is not just some isolated case. Something like 25 million appointments with GPs have been lost as a result of the Johnson Government’s panic (not as a result of Covid, as the hopelessly pro-Government BBC always says. The Government had a choice over how to respond, and took the wrong path).
Millions have not had referrals for diagnoses including cancer and heart disease. Some of them will have been scythed down as Peter King was. Others will have been needlessly damaged in smaller, slower ways.
But this is what Johnson and Hancock have let rip – needless pain, needless death. Let them never again dare to pretend that their original bungle, and the later months in which they have tried to save themselves from deserved disgrace, were the only way to save lives.
I suspect their panic may well in the end kill more than Covid ever did or could have done. We are in the hands of fools who will not admit they have made a terrible mistake.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...-slow-agonising-death-No-10s-panic-squad.html
Boris Johnson's Coronavirus Strategy Turned Britain Into 'Wayne Slob' Nation
Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock, Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance have turned Britain into a country of lazy slobs like the famous Harry Enfield character. Mr Enfield portrayed a couple called Wayne and Waynetta Slob who were unemployed, slept most of the day, and ate bad food.
Forcing British people to stay at home during the Coronavirus of Covid 19 pandemic has turned millions of people towards this unhealthy lifestyle. That is likely to be a far worse risk the public health than the virus itself.
Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock, Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance have turned Britain into a country of lazy slobs like the famous Harry Enfield character. Mr Enfield portrayed a couple called Wayne and Waynetta Slob who were unemployed, slept most of the day, and ate bad food.
Forcing British people to stay at home during the Coronavirus of Covid 19 pandemic has turned millions of people towards this unhealthy lifestyle. That is likely to be a far worse risk the public health than the virus itself.
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Destroying Communities, Families & Neighbours' Lives
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The lockdowns are a crime against humanity.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UXakzX8Lo08&t=6s
Wear a mask,wash your hands, keep your distance, avoid large groups.
Not rocket science.
Wales doesn’t need a lockdown
The ‘fire break’ is the latest wheeze from an increasingly bungling Welsh government.
MARCUS STEAD
20th October 2020
Spiked
First Minister Mark Drakeford announced this week that Wales would enter a ‘fire break’ lockdown for two weeks, starting on Friday.
There have been significant flare-ups in Covid cases in south and north-east Wales in recent weeks, and the unitary authorities in these areas have been right to take them seriously. But the rest of Wales is experiencing very low numbers of cases at the moment. Besides, if the situation were really so grave, why wait until Friday? Won’t leaving it until then just encourage more people to meet up this week?
The lockdown announcement follows weeks of hyperbole from Drakeford. Last week, he announced a largely unenforceable ban on people travelling to Wales from Covid ‘hotspots’ in other parts of the UK. He said of these travellers that, ‘When they arrive in the far west of Wales, I’m afraid they will meet a local population that are fearful, that are anxious and are on the lookout for people who shouldn’t be in those areas’.
The overall atmosphere in Wales is not one of ‘fear’. In the main, people are stoically getting on with life as best they can. Many are, however, baffled and confused by the ever-changing Covid regulations.
But Drakeford is not entirely wrong. Many people in Wales are anxious and on edge, though not for the reasons he gives. Anxiety is widespread because of the difficulties in obtaining GP appointments, the cancellation of hospital consultations and the indefinite postponement of operations. For many, minor medical problems have now become altogether more serious because of the inability to access NHS services in the usual way.
Drakeford’s administration showed itself to be out of its depth from the early days of the pandemic. The Six Nations rugby match between Wales and Scotland was due to take place on 14 March. The other two fixtures in the competition that weekend were cancelled some days beforehand. But the match in Cardiff was not cancelled until the day before, when thousands of Scotland fans had already arrived in the city. Many of them would have been in Rome for the Italy-Scotland game three weeks earlier, when Covid cases were surging in Italy. Even when the rugby in Cardiff was cancelled, Stereophonics gigs were allowed to go ahead at the nearby Motorpoint Arena on both the Saturday and Sunday evenings, to a crowd of thousands packed in close proximity.
During the May bank holiday, Drakeford embarrassed himself when he admitted during a news conference that he had broken his own rules by taking numerous journeys by bicycle to his allotment. Days later, pictures emerged in newspapers of Welsh health minister Vaughan Gething eating chips in a picnic area in Cardiff Bay, which also flouted the rules.
When it was time to ease restrictions in the summer, Drakeford’s administration tried to do more or less the same thing as England, but a week or two later, while wording it in such a way as to make the policy sound more different than it actually was.
In July, pubs in Wales reopened nine days after England, but until 3 August, only outdoor areas were allowed to be used. As a result, a large number of Welsh pubs concluded that opening was more trouble than it was worth, due to the risk of inclement weather and the fact that many pubs have little or no outdoor seating. Those lost weeks caused further harm to a pub trade that was already struggling. Inevitably, some still haven’t reopened.
When people needed clarity and simplicity, they got mixed messages and confusion. When there was a flare-up in Covid cases in parts of South Wales during early autumn, the government placed public-information adverts on Spotify and on English-language commercial radio. The only problem was that many of the adverts were in Welsh. Three quarters of the Welsh population have no Welsh language skills at all. And in some of the areas affected, this proportion is even higher.
The Covid crisis has brought the absurdity of devolution into sharp focus. The end result has been a dog’s dinner – and not just in Wales. Drakeford has a great deal in common with Labour city leaders like Andy Burnham in Greater Manchester and Sadiq Khan in London, who have also used the crisis to posture and to be seen to be ‘different’ from the UK government for party-political reasons, while advocating largely the same lockdown policies.
The need to repair the damage devolution has caused to our constitutional arrangements is urgent. Figures released in July 2019 by the Office for National Statistics showed public spending in Wales was £13.7 billion more than the total amount collected in taxes, which works out as a deficit of £4,370 per person, compared to the UK average of £632 per person. Since the start of the Covid crisis, the UK government has given more than £4 billion of extra funding to assist Wales, with more on the way. Yet on Monday, as Drakeford announced his ‘fire break’ lockdown, we learnt that he had asked the Treasury for ‘early access’ to the UK’s expanded Job Support Scheme, which is not supposed to come online until November. In other words, Drakeford was happy to lock down Wales, while expecting the UK Treasury to foot the enormous bill for it.
The ongoing pandemic has highlighted not only the failings of Drakeford’s government, but also the contradictions and chaos devolution has brought to many parts of the supposedly ‘United’ Kingdom.
Marcus Stead is a journalist based in Cardiff.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/10/20/wales-doesnt-need-a-lockdown/
The ‘fire break’ is the latest wheeze from an increasingly bungling Welsh government.
MARCUS STEAD
20th October 2020
Spiked
First Minister Mark Drakeford announced this week that Wales would enter a ‘fire break’ lockdown for two weeks, starting on Friday.
There have been significant flare-ups in Covid cases in south and north-east Wales in recent weeks, and the unitary authorities in these areas have been right to take them seriously. But the rest of Wales is experiencing very low numbers of cases at the moment. Besides, if the situation were really so grave, why wait until Friday? Won’t leaving it until then just encourage more people to meet up this week?
The lockdown announcement follows weeks of hyperbole from Drakeford. Last week, he announced a largely unenforceable ban on people travelling to Wales from Covid ‘hotspots’ in other parts of the UK. He said of these travellers that, ‘When they arrive in the far west of Wales, I’m afraid they will meet a local population that are fearful, that are anxious and are on the lookout for people who shouldn’t be in those areas’.
The overall atmosphere in Wales is not one of ‘fear’. In the main, people are stoically getting on with life as best they can. Many are, however, baffled and confused by the ever-changing Covid regulations.
But Drakeford is not entirely wrong. Many people in Wales are anxious and on edge, though not for the reasons he gives. Anxiety is widespread because of the difficulties in obtaining GP appointments, the cancellation of hospital consultations and the indefinite postponement of operations. For many, minor medical problems have now become altogether more serious because of the inability to access NHS services in the usual way.
Drakeford’s administration showed itself to be out of its depth from the early days of the pandemic. The Six Nations rugby match between Wales and Scotland was due to take place on 14 March. The other two fixtures in the competition that weekend were cancelled some days beforehand. But the match in Cardiff was not cancelled until the day before, when thousands of Scotland fans had already arrived in the city. Many of them would have been in Rome for the Italy-Scotland game three weeks earlier, when Covid cases were surging in Italy. Even when the rugby in Cardiff was cancelled, Stereophonics gigs were allowed to go ahead at the nearby Motorpoint Arena on both the Saturday and Sunday evenings, to a crowd of thousands packed in close proximity.
During the May bank holiday, Drakeford embarrassed himself when he admitted during a news conference that he had broken his own rules by taking numerous journeys by bicycle to his allotment. Days later, pictures emerged in newspapers of Welsh health minister Vaughan Gething eating chips in a picnic area in Cardiff Bay, which also flouted the rules.
When it was time to ease restrictions in the summer, Drakeford’s administration tried to do more or less the same thing as England, but a week or two later, while wording it in such a way as to make the policy sound more different than it actually was.
In July, pubs in Wales reopened nine days after England, but until 3 August, only outdoor areas were allowed to be used. As a result, a large number of Welsh pubs concluded that opening was more trouble than it was worth, due to the risk of inclement weather and the fact that many pubs have little or no outdoor seating. Those lost weeks caused further harm to a pub trade that was already struggling. Inevitably, some still haven’t reopened.
When people needed clarity and simplicity, they got mixed messages and confusion. When there was a flare-up in Covid cases in parts of South Wales during early autumn, the government placed public-information adverts on Spotify and on English-language commercial radio. The only problem was that many of the adverts were in Welsh. Three quarters of the Welsh population have no Welsh language skills at all. And in some of the areas affected, this proportion is even higher.
The Covid crisis has brought the absurdity of devolution into sharp focus. The end result has been a dog’s dinner – and not just in Wales. Drakeford has a great deal in common with Labour city leaders like Andy Burnham in Greater Manchester and Sadiq Khan in London, who have also used the crisis to posture and to be seen to be ‘different’ from the UK government for party-political reasons, while advocating largely the same lockdown policies.
The need to repair the damage devolution has caused to our constitutional arrangements is urgent. Figures released in July 2019 by the Office for National Statistics showed public spending in Wales was £13.7 billion more than the total amount collected in taxes, which works out as a deficit of £4,370 per person, compared to the UK average of £632 per person. Since the start of the Covid crisis, the UK government has given more than £4 billion of extra funding to assist Wales, with more on the way. Yet on Monday, as Drakeford announced his ‘fire break’ lockdown, we learnt that he had asked the Treasury for ‘early access’ to the UK’s expanded Job Support Scheme, which is not supposed to come online until November. In other words, Drakeford was happy to lock down Wales, while expecting the UK Treasury to foot the enormous bill for it.
The ongoing pandemic has highlighted not only the failings of Drakeford’s government, but also the contradictions and chaos devolution has brought to many parts of the supposedly ‘United’ Kingdom.
Marcus Stead is a journalist based in Cardiff.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/10/20/wales-doesnt-need-a-lockdown/