End the Lockdown
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COVID-19 Projection Models Are Proving to Be Unreliable
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-pandemic-projection-models-proving-unreliable/
Gubmint is most always wrong. End the lockdown.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-pandemic-projection-models-proving-unreliable/
Gubmint is most always wrong. End the lockdown.
Epidemiologist Warns Of Unintended Consequences From Lockdowns
https://www.dailywire.com/news/epidemiologist-warns-of-unintended-consequences-from-lockdowns
Yep. The cure is worse than the disease. End the lockdown.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/epidemiologist-warns-of-unintended-consequences-from-lockdowns
Yep. The cure is worse than the disease. End the lockdown.
Shocking and disturbing, especially with the man not having broken lockdown rules.
The question that needs to be asked here is: Just what IS going on?
Shocking moment police threaten man with pepper spray and arrest him for running errands for his mother - before warning bystanders 'you'll be next'
A man was arrested and threatened with pepper spray by police officers as he was dropping off food for his vulnerable mother during coronavirus lockdown.
Shocking footage shows an officer putting handcuffs on the man for 'breaking covid rules' before screaming 'you'll be next' to a bystander in Fallowfield, Manchester.
Yesterday's shocking arrest comes as police forces across the country face accusations of 'heavy-handed' lockdown tactics during their Easter weekend crackdown.
The video begins with the man being challenged as he stands outside his mother's house.
The man, who was running errands for his mother, explains to the officer that he's 'picking up a plant at the same time'.
The shocked man asks the officer: 'Give me a ticket for what. You're a bored guy there's groups of people all over the place.'
But the officer presses him further asking: 'What's your details?'
The man replies: 'I'm not giving you any details'
The officer then threatens the man with jail saying: 'You gonna give me your details? I'll just lock you up.'
The man asks what he will be arrested for and the officer replies: 'For breaking covid guidelines. Put your hands on your head.'
The man puts his hands on his head and asks: 'Am I being threatening towards you? Am I being threatening?'
The officer shouts: 'Raise your hands or you're gonna get sprayed. Put your hands behind your back.'
A woman can be heard shouting in the background as the officer puts the handcuffs on him.
The man appears to be in discomfort from the handcuffs and asks: 'Why have you put them on like that man?
'Twist that one top around. Twist it around! Loosen the top thing, loosen the top one man'
The police shoves the man from behind and takes him away in handcuffs.
One neighbour shouts 'that's excessive that mate' while another says 'that's excessive officer, there's no need for it.'
The officer pushes the man over a car and demands that he lean over it.
The man says: 'You just keep saying things over and over again you're not helping, you're not diluting the situation you're making it worse.
'Because I come to drop some stuff off.'
He pleads with the cop to loosen the cuffs: 'Can you loosen the top so I'll be more compliant but I'm in pain right now.'
A female neighbour is then heard asking the police officer politely: 'In the current situation in the current pandemic, there's more pressing situations to be dealing with than coming over and bothering somebody going about his business - on his own?'
The officer then points at the woman and states: 'You'll be next.'
Another neighbour gasps at the cop's threat to the innocent woman and he says to the brazen cop: 'No-one will be next, you can't threaten us!'
In the next clip, the cameraman's mother is seen attempting to intervene with the officers after a second one arrives.
The cameraman shouts: 'Don't push my mum! Get your hands off my mum.'
The cameraman's mother is heard calmly saying: 'I'm a community member. I was coming to stand behind him. Don't push me away - you've got people videoing here. I was coming to stand behind him.'
But the police officer says: 'Well I don't know that. Step away please.'
As the two officers try to put the man in the back of a car, he says: 'You ain't going to put me in the back of no car.
'I'm dropping food off to vulnerable members of my family who cant do nothing and I'm taking a tree home with me. '
As the man is arrested and put into the car, astonished neighbours ask in disbelief: 'Are you arresting him?'
The cameraman answers: 'Yeah he's trying to give him a fine and arrest him, joke.'
Another shocked resident asks the officers: 'But what's his charge?'
To which the cameraman answers: ''Cause he came to bring food for his vulnerable aunty and take the tree away.'
Yesterday, a viral video showed a South Yorkshire police officer scolding a family on their own doorstep for letting their young children play on their front lawn.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...pper-spray-arrest-running-errands-mother.html
The question that needs to be asked here is: Just what IS going on?
Shocking moment police threaten man with pepper spray and arrest him for running errands for his mother - before warning bystanders 'you'll be next'
A man was arrested and threatened with pepper spray by police officers as he was dropping off food for his vulnerable mother during coronavirus lockdown.
Shocking footage shows an officer putting handcuffs on the man for 'breaking covid rules' before screaming 'you'll be next' to a bystander in Fallowfield, Manchester.
Yesterday's shocking arrest comes as police forces across the country face accusations of 'heavy-handed' lockdown tactics during their Easter weekend crackdown.
The video begins with the man being challenged as he stands outside his mother's house.
The man, who was running errands for his mother, explains to the officer that he's 'picking up a plant at the same time'.
The shocked man asks the officer: 'Give me a ticket for what. You're a bored guy there's groups of people all over the place.'
But the officer presses him further asking: 'What's your details?'
The man replies: 'I'm not giving you any details'
The officer then threatens the man with jail saying: 'You gonna give me your details? I'll just lock you up.'
The man asks what he will be arrested for and the officer replies: 'For breaking covid guidelines. Put your hands on your head.'
The man puts his hands on his head and asks: 'Am I being threatening towards you? Am I being threatening?'
The officer shouts: 'Raise your hands or you're gonna get sprayed. Put your hands behind your back.'
A woman can be heard shouting in the background as the officer puts the handcuffs on him.
The man appears to be in discomfort from the handcuffs and asks: 'Why have you put them on like that man?
'Twist that one top around. Twist it around! Loosen the top thing, loosen the top one man'
The police shoves the man from behind and takes him away in handcuffs.
One neighbour shouts 'that's excessive that mate' while another says 'that's excessive officer, there's no need for it.'
The officer pushes the man over a car and demands that he lean over it.
The man says: 'You just keep saying things over and over again you're not helping, you're not diluting the situation you're making it worse.
'Because I come to drop some stuff off.'
He pleads with the cop to loosen the cuffs: 'Can you loosen the top so I'll be more compliant but I'm in pain right now.'
A female neighbour is then heard asking the police officer politely: 'In the current situation in the current pandemic, there's more pressing situations to be dealing with than coming over and bothering somebody going about his business - on his own?'
The officer then points at the woman and states: 'You'll be next.'
Another neighbour gasps at the cop's threat to the innocent woman and he says to the brazen cop: 'No-one will be next, you can't threaten us!'
In the next clip, the cameraman's mother is seen attempting to intervene with the officers after a second one arrives.
The cameraman shouts: 'Don't push my mum! Get your hands off my mum.'
The cameraman's mother is heard calmly saying: 'I'm a community member. I was coming to stand behind him. Don't push me away - you've got people videoing here. I was coming to stand behind him.'
But the police officer says: 'Well I don't know that. Step away please.'
As the two officers try to put the man in the back of a car, he says: 'You ain't going to put me in the back of no car.
'I'm dropping food off to vulnerable members of my family who cant do nothing and I'm taking a tree home with me. '
As the man is arrested and put into the car, astonished neighbours ask in disbelief: 'Are you arresting him?'
The cameraman answers: 'Yeah he's trying to give him a fine and arrest him, joke.'
Another shocked resident asks the officers: 'But what's his charge?'
To which the cameraman answers: ''Cause he came to bring food for his vulnerable aunty and take the tree away.'
Yesterday, a viral video showed a South Yorkshire police officer scolding a family on their own doorstep for letting their young children play on their front lawn.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...pper-spray-arrest-running-errands-mother.html
There may be more targeted ways to beat the pandemic.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing.html
Stoopid guys with opinions.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing.html
Stoopid guys with opinions.
What's mildly worrying is that we are so obedient to the lockdown rules. Even more obedient than the Government had expected, according to insiders...
JOHN HUMPHRYS: My run-in with a terrified woman at the supermarket and why I fear the rise of the virus autocrats
By John Humphrys For The Daily Mail
10 Apr 2020
As close encounters go, it was the sort most of us have probably experienced at least once over the past few weird weeks.
The lines in my small local supermarket had been clearly marked. There was one customer in front of me and she was fishing around in her bag for her credit card. I was obediently standing behind my line waiting my turn.
I saw that the shelves of mints and chewing gum under the front desk had been re-stocked so I leaned across to pick one up.
The woman leaped back as though I'd rammed her in the chest with an AK-47 assault rifle.
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'What do you think you're doing!' she shrieked at me. I suppose I should have acknowledged my terrible sin and muttered an apology — not that I had anything to apologise for. I hadn't actually touched her or intruded into her space or even, heaven forbid, breathed on her. But I lost my cool.
'For God's sake, get a life!' I snapped. 'That's what I'm trying to do!' she snapped back. I was angry at the time at her absurd overreaction, but I regret it now. The woman had been genuinely scared.
Variations on that theme are being played out endlessly across the land in one way or another. There is something unsettling about jogging on a wide path in a deserted park at dawn and realising that the person jogging towards you is making a wide diversion to avoid you.
Yes, of course, I know about the two-metre rule. Is there anyone out there with two brain cells who doesn't? And we know why it exists.
But surely even the most wary of us suspect that if we're going to become a virus victim it's more likely to happen because, like our Prime Minister, we've spent weeks locked in close conversation with hundreds of different people in fuggy offices for hours on end, rather than passing someone for a split second in the open air in a stiff breeze?
There's nothing reckless about acknowledging that. Nor is there in wondering in idle moments why we are no longer being told a thousand times a day to wash our hands.
Yes, of course, I know about the two-metre rule. Is there anyone out there with two brain cells who doesn't? And we know why it exists (file picture)
But maybe that's because we've got the message. What's mildly worrying is that we are so obedient to the lockdown rules. Even more obedient than the Government had expected, according to insiders.
Perhaps that's because we are told there is no alternative and we must not even question our instructions. It's for our own good. And that itself is worrying because, when autocrats set about trying to subvert a democratic system, the first thing they do is appeal to the good intentions of the people they plan to control.
The threats come later. Not that I'm suggesting there is some dark plot by a group of ruthless politicians to turn us into Orwell's proles.
We can safely leave that to the great man's fertile imagination. In a strange way, it's the opposite that seems to be happening. I wince a little when I hear a BBC weather presenter telling us it's going to be sunny and, in the next breath, warning us to stay home. Is that really her job?
Of course, she's only doing what she's been told, but when even the weather becomes a public health announcement we enter slightly troubling new territory. One of the notable things about the coronavirus crisis is how it's caused politics to go into voluntary self-isolation.
When I say 'politics', I mean prepandemic politics. Remember how we hated it? Each side biting chunks out of the other. They're only in it for themselves.
They're sleazy. They don't really care about the people who put them in power. So what's happened to all that? Boris Johnson's illness was bound to stop the Opposition in its tracks, even with a brand new leader.
Sir Keir Starmer may be a clever lawyer with an eye for detail, but what he dare not risk is being seen to question the 'national effort'. And he certainly cannot criticise a Prime Minister who has been in intensive care.
Politics, along with the economy, has gone into the deep freeze. It is not just that politicians are on their best behaviour, which might be regarded as appropriate given the situation. It's that there is no longer a political forum.
We now live in a parliamentary democracy without a parliament. Instead of politics we have government. Take just one issue that really does deserve close scrutiny: the failure to get a fully-functioning testing regime up and running.
The Chancellor Rishi Sunak, supported by his scientific advisers, was able to get away with denying that the chief medical officer Chris Whitty had ever said rigorous testing had been vital in enabling Germany to achieve many fewer deaths
In the bad old days, political discourse would have been peppered with Opposition accusations that the Tories were determined to privatise the NHS and use the billions they should have spent on protecting the nation to cut taxes rather than give nurses a living wage.
You'll be familiar with the refrain and maybe we're better off without that sort of knee-jerk political jousting. But there are serious questions to be asked and the ritual 5pm briefing is a pretty inadequate way of getting answers.
One example. The Chancellor Rishi Sunak — supported by his scientific advisers — was able to get away with denying that the chief medical officer Chris Whitty had ever said rigorous testing had been vital in enabling Germany to achieve many fewer deaths.
Well, he had, and Sunak should have been held to account. People are dying because we have not been testing as we should have. And where is the tough debate about when and how we end the lockdown? Yes, we know there are no simple answers, but that's all the more reason for our leaders to be asked the questions.
With the exception of a few cretins like Steve Hedley of the RMT union, we were all mightily relieved when Boris Johnson was able to leave intensive care. Of course we were. He's a fellow human being.
But for those few days when he appeared to be dangerously ill, we'd treated him as though he were our head of state. That's the Queen's role. The Prime Minister is a political leader in a democracy. Tony Blair understood the difference between the art of politics and the skill of government.
He learned the hard way that you campaign in poetry but you govern in prose. Some years into office he confessed that he bore the scars on his back from trying to make things happen. A YouGov poll has found that almost two-thirds of Britons want the main parties to get together and form a national government.
I'm told BBC bosses are warning interviewers not to put ministers under pressure. Why? If the questioning is well informed and polite, surely the tougher the better. All this stuff might be justified if we were at war. But we're not. To talk of the virus as an enemy is to misunderstand the crisis with which we are faced.
The state will survive. The question is how much it might have changed. The Chinese found a way of dealing with the virus. Nobody questioned it because they did not dare.
That's the way it is under totalitarian rule. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
Plus, occasionally, a touch of rebellion.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...RYS-feel-chill-politics-goes-deep-freeze.html
JOHN HUMPHRYS: My run-in with a terrified woman at the supermarket and why I fear the rise of the virus autocrats
By John Humphrys For The Daily Mail
10 Apr 2020
As close encounters go, it was the sort most of us have probably experienced at least once over the past few weird weeks.
The lines in my small local supermarket had been clearly marked. There was one customer in front of me and she was fishing around in her bag for her credit card. I was obediently standing behind my line waiting my turn.
I saw that the shelves of mints and chewing gum under the front desk had been re-stocked so I leaned across to pick one up.
The woman leaped back as though I'd rammed her in the chest with an AK-47 assault rifle.
versions
Click here to view more
'What do you think you're doing!' she shrieked at me. I suppose I should have acknowledged my terrible sin and muttered an apology — not that I had anything to apologise for. I hadn't actually touched her or intruded into her space or even, heaven forbid, breathed on her. But I lost my cool.
'For God's sake, get a life!' I snapped. 'That's what I'm trying to do!' she snapped back. I was angry at the time at her absurd overreaction, but I regret it now. The woman had been genuinely scared.
Variations on that theme are being played out endlessly across the land in one way or another. There is something unsettling about jogging on a wide path in a deserted park at dawn and realising that the person jogging towards you is making a wide diversion to avoid you.
Yes, of course, I know about the two-metre rule. Is there anyone out there with two brain cells who doesn't? And we know why it exists.
But surely even the most wary of us suspect that if we're going to become a virus victim it's more likely to happen because, like our Prime Minister, we've spent weeks locked in close conversation with hundreds of different people in fuggy offices for hours on end, rather than passing someone for a split second in the open air in a stiff breeze?
There's nothing reckless about acknowledging that. Nor is there in wondering in idle moments why we are no longer being told a thousand times a day to wash our hands.
Yes, of course, I know about the two-metre rule. Is there anyone out there with two brain cells who doesn't? And we know why it exists (file picture)
But maybe that's because we've got the message. What's mildly worrying is that we are so obedient to the lockdown rules. Even more obedient than the Government had expected, according to insiders.
Perhaps that's because we are told there is no alternative and we must not even question our instructions. It's for our own good. And that itself is worrying because, when autocrats set about trying to subvert a democratic system, the first thing they do is appeal to the good intentions of the people they plan to control.
The threats come later. Not that I'm suggesting there is some dark plot by a group of ruthless politicians to turn us into Orwell's proles.
We can safely leave that to the great man's fertile imagination. In a strange way, it's the opposite that seems to be happening. I wince a little when I hear a BBC weather presenter telling us it's going to be sunny and, in the next breath, warning us to stay home. Is that really her job?
Of course, she's only doing what she's been told, but when even the weather becomes a public health announcement we enter slightly troubling new territory. One of the notable things about the coronavirus crisis is how it's caused politics to go into voluntary self-isolation.
When I say 'politics', I mean prepandemic politics. Remember how we hated it? Each side biting chunks out of the other. They're only in it for themselves.
They're sleazy. They don't really care about the people who put them in power. So what's happened to all that? Boris Johnson's illness was bound to stop the Opposition in its tracks, even with a brand new leader.
Sir Keir Starmer may be a clever lawyer with an eye for detail, but what he dare not risk is being seen to question the 'national effort'. And he certainly cannot criticise a Prime Minister who has been in intensive care.
Politics, along with the economy, has gone into the deep freeze. It is not just that politicians are on their best behaviour, which might be regarded as appropriate given the situation. It's that there is no longer a political forum.
We now live in a parliamentary democracy without a parliament. Instead of politics we have government. Take just one issue that really does deserve close scrutiny: the failure to get a fully-functioning testing regime up and running.
The Chancellor Rishi Sunak, supported by his scientific advisers, was able to get away with denying that the chief medical officer Chris Whitty had ever said rigorous testing had been vital in enabling Germany to achieve many fewer deaths
In the bad old days, political discourse would have been peppered with Opposition accusations that the Tories were determined to privatise the NHS and use the billions they should have spent on protecting the nation to cut taxes rather than give nurses a living wage.
You'll be familiar with the refrain and maybe we're better off without that sort of knee-jerk political jousting. But there are serious questions to be asked and the ritual 5pm briefing is a pretty inadequate way of getting answers.
One example. The Chancellor Rishi Sunak — supported by his scientific advisers — was able to get away with denying that the chief medical officer Chris Whitty had ever said rigorous testing had been vital in enabling Germany to achieve many fewer deaths.
Well, he had, and Sunak should have been held to account. People are dying because we have not been testing as we should have. And where is the tough debate about when and how we end the lockdown? Yes, we know there are no simple answers, but that's all the more reason for our leaders to be asked the questions.
With the exception of a few cretins like Steve Hedley of the RMT union, we were all mightily relieved when Boris Johnson was able to leave intensive care. Of course we were. He's a fellow human being.
But for those few days when he appeared to be dangerously ill, we'd treated him as though he were our head of state. That's the Queen's role. The Prime Minister is a political leader in a democracy. Tony Blair understood the difference between the art of politics and the skill of government.
He learned the hard way that you campaign in poetry but you govern in prose. Some years into office he confessed that he bore the scars on his back from trying to make things happen. A YouGov poll has found that almost two-thirds of Britons want the main parties to get together and form a national government.
I'm told BBC bosses are warning interviewers not to put ministers under pressure. Why? If the questioning is well informed and polite, surely the tougher the better. All this stuff might be justified if we were at war. But we're not. To talk of the virus as an enemy is to misunderstand the crisis with which we are faced.
The state will survive. The question is how much it might have changed. The Chinese found a way of dealing with the virus. Nobody questioned it because they did not dare.
That's the way it is under totalitarian rule. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
Plus, occasionally, a touch of rebellion.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...RYS-feel-chill-politics-goes-deep-freeze.html
Young Girl Plays Basketball Alone, City Takes Hoop As Part Of ‘Social Distancing’
https://www.dailywire.com/news/youn...-city-takes-hoop-as-part-of-social-distancing
Shameful. End the lockdown.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/youn...-city-takes-hoop-as-part-of-social-distancing
Shameful. End the lockdown.
Time to Sideline the False Prophets of Doom
Fauci, Birx, and Adams have sent too many mixed messages from the start. While at first diminishing the threat of COVID-19, they now are sowing fear and panic across the country.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/04/10/time-to-sideline-the-false-prophets-of-doom/
Yep. End the lockdown.
Fauci, Birx, and Adams have sent too many mixed messages from the start. While at first diminishing the threat of COVID-19, they now are sowing fear and panic across the country.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/04/10/time-to-sideline-the-false-prophets-of-doom/
Yep. End the lockdown.