"Election-Iraq" turning nasty.

[Ocean Breeze]

http://www.voanews.com/english/Bush-Hails-Iraqi-Elections.cfm

bush: elections a "Glorious" day for Iraq........

(how would he know?? was he there ?? :roll:

pontificating (dumb-butt) poop. :roll: :wink:

(just when one thinks he runs out of adjectives.... :wink: :wink:

 

[jimmoyer]

Well if we let it up to the Bush bashers we'd have
no elections at all.

If we let it up to the Bush bashers, we wouldn't be
allowed the right to hope --- the right to hope
the situation improves.

But Bush bashers lose sight of anything else.

I'll join the Bush bashers but not to the point
of constantly under-rating any good effort in Iraq
to turn this mess around.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: "Election-Iraq" turning nasty.

Well if we let it up to the Bush bashers we'd have
no elections at all.

If we let it up to the Bush bashers, we wouldn't be
allowed the right to hope --- the right to hope
the situation improves.

But Bush bashers lose sight of anything else.

I'll join the Bush bashers but not to the point
of constantly under-rating any good effort in Iraq
to turn this mess around.

oh jim... :roll: the bush "bashers" exist for a reason........offer some cheks and balances to the myopic bush desciples. Sheesh. :roll: Why should anyone but the Iraqis take praise in the election.......if taking "praise" is so important. If the Iraqis see this as a milestone........more power to them.

 

[jimmoyer]

The Bush bashers do exist for good reasons.

But no la-dee-dah approach is honorable or
commendable when observing
a tough people in a damned situation making the
effort to rebuild their country.

It's a damn good thing those voters aren't
listening to us.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

It's a damn good thing those voters aren't
listening to us

they probably would not understand us anyhow. :wink: Heck......I have a tough time understanding "us" at times too. :wink: ----and I live in the same culture.

 

[Breakthrough2006]

A greater percentage of Iraqis will vote in this election than Canadians.
They have to risk their lives and all we have to do is go in between periods of Hockey Night in Canada.

 

[jimmoyer]

Yep, the world little feels much for that effort.

About a tough people toughing it
out to vote is not such a passionate matter.

Just look at what drives the passion, and what doesn't.

 

[Reverend Blair]

They have to risk their lives and all we have to do is go in between periods of Hockey Night in Canada.

We vote on Mondays, not Saturdays. :lol:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

They have to risk their lives and all we have to do is go in between periods of Hockey Night in Canada.

We vote on Mondays, not Saturdays. :lol:

exactly........and that is why. :wink: Can you just imagine choosing between voting for your GOV'T and HOCKEY??? :wink:



back to the Iraq mess for a moment. Wonder what will happen the first time this "elected" Iraqi gov't decides to do something that the US does not favor......(like have an independant thought .........)

 

[no1important]

RE: "Election-Iraq" turni

VP Cheney makes surprise visit to Iraq

A teaser:

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Vice President Dick Cheney made a surprise visit to Iraq Sunday under heavy security, touring the country after parliamentary elections that he suggested were a major step toward drawing down U.S. forces.

"The participation levels all across the country were remarkable," Cheney told reporters after an hourlong briefing from the war's top military commanders. "And that's exactly what need to happen as you build a political structure in a self-governing Iraq that can unify the various segments of the population and ultimately take over responsibility for their own security."

The daylong tour was so shrouded in secrecy that even Iraq's prime minister said he was surprised when he showed up for what he thought was a meeting with the U.S. ambassador only to see Cheney waiting to greet him.[/end of teaser]

I guess Cheney was delivering Iraq'a pm his new orders?

 

[jimmoyer]

I got a feeling Cheney's orders won't mean a damn
even in the short run.

This country of Iraq is going to wrestle the whole
issue away from the Americans and that's what
most Americans want.

The struggle for power and revenge will be quite
primevil in that country. The local militias being
quite unregulated by outsiders might actually
accomplish what the newly trained Iraqi army can not
do. But, the militias are like a Town Watch with
judge and jury power. And that oughta scare any
outsider to that neighborhood.

 

[Colpy]

They have to risk their lives and all we have to do is go in between periods of Hockey Night in Canada.

We vote on Mondays, not Saturdays. :lol:

exactly........and that is why. :wink: Can you just imagine choosing between voting for your GOV'T and HOCKEY??? :wink:



back to the Iraq mess for a moment. Wonder what will happen the first time this "elected" Iraqi gov't decides to do something that the US does not favor......(like have an independant thought .........)

Why the "elected" in italics?

The Iraqi government will be considerably more "elected" than any Canadian government has been in 15 or 20 years.

And, I will bet you dollars against Timbits, it will do a LOT of things the Americans don't like, and the USA will grumble and accept it.

 

[no1important]

RE: "Election-Iraq" turni

The Iraqi government will be considerably more "elected" than any Canadian government has been in 15 or 20 years.

Thats a good one. Do you do stand up? :wink:

And, I will bet you dollars against Timbits, it will do a LOT of things the Americans don't like, and the USA will grumble and accept it.

Maybe a little at first but not for long. Would the USA tolerate Iraq going back to selling oil by the Euro instead of USD? I would say no.

 

[jimmoyer]

The US had to tolerate Turkey's parliamentary
resistance to helping us in the 2nd Gulf War.

Iraq won't switch over to the Euro unless more
European business enters the field over there.

And Norway has jumped in, but I don't believe they use the Euro. The Germans Siemens company builds
huge generators for our Marines to haul around and
install.

Countries around the world will act in their own
self interest, and usually rapid transistions in world
economics like using the euro over the dollar if done
rapidly can have bad effects for everyone. Macro
economics --- not politics--- will be the decision maker there. Macro economics of world free trade is also
rapidly occuring and displacing many of our jobs, and
our notions of affordable entitlement benefits.

Econ 101 will be the greatest decison maker, not one's
personal political bias.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Would the USA tolerate Iraq going back to selling oil by the Euro instead of USD? I would say no.

absolutely not. THAT was what SH was planning and it riled the US something fierce and suspect was part of the motivation behind the invasion. THis aspect was underplayed in the media.....but it was one behind the scenes rationales. for the invasion.

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

Chomsky on Terror and Iraq
An interview by Andy Clark
December 18, 2005
(RealPlayer Presentation)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11330.htm

 

[ElPolaco]

Notice how there was high Sunni participation in this election while it was around 0 in the last one? Are they voting in the morning and grabbing their guns in the afternoon? Is there some kind of intelligent strategy here?

 

[jimmoyer]

The impact of the previous election showed the
Sunni they can't afford to boycott.

It has also splintered the Sunni into arguing with
each other about the best approach to having a seat
at the table.

It also appears there are enough moderates in the
Shia that enourage rapproachment with the Sunni.

 

[ElPolaco]

Pretty witty on the part of the admin too. First give the impression that the election will lead to a pullout and then right afterwards proclaim a "not on my watch". As I mentioned before, I haven't recovered yet from all the south Vietnamese elections.

 

[no1important]

Early Baghdad returns show Shiites leading

A teaser:

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- The Shiite religious bloc, the United Iraqi Alliance, won about 58 percent of the vote in Baghdad province in last week's parliamentary elections, according to initial results released Monday.

Shiite and Kurdish parties were winning in provinces where they predominate, according to returns from Thursday's vote released by Iraq's electoral commission.

The commission did not release any results from provinces where Sunni Arabs make up most of the population. It also did not say how many people voted overall.

In Baghdad province, Iraq's biggest electoral district, results from 89 percent of the ballot boxes counted so far showed the United Iraqi Alliance received 1,403,901 votes, or 58 percent, followed by the Sunni Arab Iraqi Accordance Front with 451,782 votes, and former Prime Minister Ayad Allawi's Iraqi National List ticket with 327,174 votes. [/end teaser]

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