Edmonton Teen Files Suit To Get School Board To Be Realistic
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I don't think so, statistically it is unrealistic and thus has been shown to be ineffective as kids do not abide by it
better to show them how to avoid STDs and pregnancy unless of course there is another agenda..
that is what she is claiming another agenda
No doubt.
With that in mind, how many kids are 100% committed to conventional contraception after a few cocktails and the hormones raging?
My only point was that if the relationship of the 'facts' within a presentation can be attached to the well being of an individual, the abstinence message would hold true to the tenet of looking out after the well being (health) of the kid... The Human Rights complaint would basically be null/void with respect to that argument.. At least that's the theory
With that in mind, how many kids are 100% committed to conventional contraception after a few cocktails and the hormones raging?
My only point was that if the relationship of the 'facts' within a presentation can be attached to the well being of an individual, the abstinence message would hold true to the tenet of looking out after the well being (health) of the kid... The Human Rights complaint would basically be null/void with respect to that argument.. At least that's the theory
No. It is up to the parents first and foremost. The schools/govt only got involved in the first place because some parents don't have the moral strength or intelligence to teach their children properly. Being I am against overreaching govt and pro personal freedom and responsibility I don't think the govt or schools should be involved at all.
kids need to discuss it together with leadership, that happens best in a classroom...sure my mum discussed it with me, then I could hardly wait until I discussed it with my girlfriends...
everything is different now anyway...kids start learning this stuff from toddlerhood
First, this class was from a guest speaker, it was not the only class on sex education that these kids took. It was giving them a look from a different perspective. Yes, they told the kids that Birth control, condoms etc, were not 100% effective. They aren't. They aren't 100% effective with preventing pregnancy's nor are they 100% effective against STD's. Abstinence is. So why not present that as an option? That's all it is and was. What we have here are people that don't want the abstinence option presented to kids period. Why, because abstinence is automatically said to be religious. Religion has nothing to do with it. It is a viable option to 100% prevent STD;s and pregnancy.
When things like this are not presented we get responses like, "I don't understand how I got pregnant/STD, I'm on the pill, I used a condom, I used a spermicide, etc." The answer is, you got pregnant/STD because all of the above are not 100% effective. The kids need to be told this, in no uncertain terms.
When things like this are not presented we get responses like, "I don't understand how I got pregnant/STD, I'm on the pill, I used a condom, I used a spermicide, etc." The answer is, you got pregnant/STD because all of the above are not 100% effective. The kids need to be told this, in no uncertain terms.
If it is its one job many chose not to do. My parents never talked to me about sex at all. Well, not when I was a kid anyway. I can exchange dirty jokes with my father but that is as far as a 'sex talk' ever went with either of my parents. Most of my friends had the same experience. School did some of it, the internet did the rest.
I don't see any problem with including abstinence in sex-ed but have a big problem with abstinence only. Its very unrealistic and ultimately dangerous. A lot of teenagers tend to have sex. I did, my sister did, a fair number of my friends did. Fortunately because we knew about contraceptives and where to get them nothing too bad happened. I can't speak for all of them but I know for some of us we were going to do it whether or not the school had an "abstinence only" stance. This isn't anything new either. A few years ago we found out that my grandmother had a child while she was a teenager and gave it up for adoption. So if they are going to do it, give them the tools they need to make it as safe as possible. Abstinence only will only work if you are following them around 24/7. I don't see that happening.
If the parents don't do it and the schools doesn't do it, who will? If the parents do it, great then the kid will pass that class as it will be old hat to them. No harm done. If they don't and the school doesn't - well that can be costly to society in more ways than one. It would no doubt lead to more teenage/unwanted pregnancies and more STDs/STIs going around.
Ironic that you post the link I got my info from, aka CBC News. :|
As I said, personally going to the HR commission was stupid, but that said, she was right to bring up the subject.
We have the school saying it was based on scientific fact but schools have never tried to cover their asses before... no, never.
What I question, in the end, is the people who presented this. I have no problem with abstinence only opinion being taught - I agree, it's the safest way to prevent what happens with sex - BUT for a lot of kids that's not going to happen. And being from an anti-abortion group, I don't trust that their 'facts' were actually, you know, truth and not the biased or other bs that normally happens with anti-abortion type groups.
I don't take the word of the 17 year old, however she WAS the one that was being taught all this. If she had a concern, it's only right it be looked into a least. Going public with it though was dumb, unless the school board was trying to cover it up.
If you want to pass on the job to others whom you don't know that's your business. I just think it is another step in the big brother state. Considering we are all here and sex ed didn't hit schools til the 50s or 60s I'd say no matter how inept our ancestors were at teaching their kids it all worked out ok.
I am all for abstinence for young teenagers. What we don't know is exactly what they were told about contraceptives. They may have been told condoms or pills don't work at all or that they were only 25% effective which is bullsh*t. So yes abstinence is the only 100% way to avoid pregnancy (STDs can be caught in a multitude of ways other than sex) but did they get the correct information about the effectiveness of other methods? If there were exaggerations about the birth rate while on the pill or the failure rate of condoms then the idiot giving the class should be banned from ever teaching kids again. I'm guessing that since an 18 year old says she was being lied to she probably was.
Just an FYI from experience....4 kids either in or graduated from the Catholic School system where they were given all the FACTS and then encouraged to abstain.
One, the "idiot" wasn't a teacher, guest speaker. Two, this "class" was just one more bit of information for the kids to digest. As for not lying , I'd say more like exaggerating or stretching the truth, come on now, she's 18 and with the help of her parents, is now getting her 15 mins of fame.
You don't need to tell me, my last 2 boys went to Catholic school. I know what they were taught.
It may be a planned claim to fame but I'm more likely to believe some anti-abortion do-gooder lied to the kids about the true effective rates of birth control...Just my opinion.
I didn't post it for you, somebody earlier mentioned expecting lies about birth control in the catholic school system and I wanted everyone to know the truth. Kinda ironic considering my view of the RCC but it is the best school around.
It is society and the school system and the churches who are not in touch with
reality. Teens are teens they are going to have sex and the adults may as well
prepare their fainting hearts for the news.
I love the born again crowd who have the kids pledge on the word of Christ and
the Holy Spirit that they won't have sex. The kids being kids take the pledge and
ignore it doing what they are going to do the false security lies with the parents
who believe.
The schools try to mold the child's thinking instead of allowing the child to think.
By the time they're sixteen its too late to stuff their heads with morality and all the
trimmings. We were teens at one time ourselves. It could be said on Sunday I
was one of Gods hung over angels for a morning I said all the prayers and went
through the motions. Did I believe not really but why fight if you already have your
own belief system?
The school should teach it without trying to have the kids come to a specific outcome
when they tell lies or distortions they lose their credibility
reality. Teens are teens they are going to have sex and the adults may as well
prepare their fainting hearts for the news.
I love the born again crowd who have the kids pledge on the word of Christ and
the Holy Spirit that they won't have sex. The kids being kids take the pledge and
ignore it doing what they are going to do the false security lies with the parents
who believe.
The schools try to mold the child's thinking instead of allowing the child to think.
By the time they're sixteen its too late to stuff their heads with morality and all the
trimmings. We were teens at one time ourselves. It could be said on Sunday I
was one of Gods hung over angels for a morning I said all the prayers and went
through the motions. Did I believe not really but why fight if you already have your
own belief system?
The school should teach it without trying to have the kids come to a specific outcome
when they tell lies or distortions they lose their credibility
Roger that, Grumpy! I've never understood why so many adults don't seem to remember their teen years. You hear it over and over, "Why do these kids DO these things?" I always answer "Don't you remember?"
First of all, the kids go to school. Unless you are home schooling your kids, you have already passed the job on. As for another step in the big brother state...if that is the fear, teach the kids critical thinking. In fact I had exceptional teachers who taught us exactly that...question, think, ask...research and then draw your own conclusions. You are a product of society and you seem to be doing just fine.
As for relying on the way our ancestors did things... I came through the Catholic system, I was not told to abstain or indulge I was encouraged to know the facts. When kids know the facts and are supported by rational adults and a supportive environment they make good choices...sex included.
Schools supplement our growth and education but parents raise us...or in some cases, kids raise themselves.
Didn't read that they were teaching the gospels at that session... Mind you, those folks should be silenced at all costs anyhow