Economic Action Dud: Canada loses 46,000 jobs, unemployment rate climbs to 7.2%

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What port in Canada has a rail terminal to load tankers?

Lol, you tell me. If moving oil by rail was cheaper, they would build one, just as they are going to build one for the pipeline.

Honestly, what are you even arguing about now? You seem to have said you agree that pipelines move more oil with less manpower, so don't we agree?
 

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How sure can we be that Canada doesn't fudge the numbers the same way the US does?

(in part)
In January 2009, the number of “officially unemployed” workers plus the number of Americans “not in the labor force” was sitting at a grand total of 92.6 million. Today, that number has risen to 102.2 million. That means that the number of working age Americans that are not working has grown by close to 10 million since Barack Obama first took office. So why does the “official unemployment rate” keep going down? Well, it is because the federal government has been pretending that millions upon millions of unemployed workers have “left the labor force” over the past few years and do not want to work anymore. The government says that another 347,000 workers “left the labor force” in December. That is nearly five times larger than the 74,000 jobs that were “created” by the U.S. economy last month. And it is important to note that more than half of those jobs were temporary jobs, and it takes well over 100,000 new jobs just to keep up with population growth each month. So the unemployment rate should not have gone down. If anything, it should have gone up.
In fact, if the federal government was using an honest labor force participation rate, the official unemployment rate would be far higher than it is right now. Instead of 6.7 percent, it would be 11.5 percent, and it has stayed at about that level since the end of the last recession.

Read more at The Number Of Working Age Americans Without A Job Has Risen By Almost 10 Million Under Obama | InvestmentWatch
 

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Well this is going to continue to slide if we put all of our eggs into the oil sector.
 

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Apparently not as our government isn't able to offset the loss in other sectors.
 

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Our government needs to ensure that they take the requisite steps to benefit all sectors of the economy.

Negotiating a free trade agreement with EU could be construed as a good move, for instance. Accordingly, they should actively be making deals that help to avoid a serious decline in other sectors.
 

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Well this is going to continue to slide if we put all of our eggs into the oil sector.

What about ore(potash, uranium, copper, zinc, iron nickel, gold, silver, moly, tin, aluminum and far more), lumber, grain, oil seed, finance, hydro, telecomm, auto, aviation, rail (locos and cars) natural gas, manufactured goods, R&D, scientfic equip, steel, pipe, wire, pianos, pixie dust and rainbow glue.

We have more baskets than you're aware of.

There are another 500,000 skilled jobs to be filled when the pipes hit the pacific, gulf and Canadian Atlantic shores.
 

BornRuff

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What about ore(potash, uranium, copper, zinc, iron nickel, gold, silver, moly, tin, aluminum and far more), lumber, grain, oil seed, finance, hydro, telecomm, auto, aviation, rail (locos and cars) natural gas, manufactured goods, R&D, scientfic equip, steel, pipe, wire, pianos, pixie dust and rainbow glue.

We have more baskets than you're aware of.

There are another 500,000 skilled jobs to be filled when the pipes hit the pacific, gulf and Canadian Atlantic shores.

A number of the things you mention there have seen quite a significant decline in recent years. Pretty much all of the ones that are growing right now are resource based.

Obviously our resources are a source of great wealth, so we are going to exploit them one way or another. It is a bit worrisome to focus more and more of our economic future on raw resources though, since it makes us very vulnerable to swings in world prices. It would be ideal if we could grow more businesses that perform value added work, which is less tied to the market price of the day.

How sure can we be that Canada doesn't fudge the numbers the same way the US does?

(in part)
In January 2009, the number of “officially unemployed” workers plus the number of Americans “not in the labor force” was sitting at a grand total of 92.6 million. Today, that number has risen to 102.2 million. That means that the number of working age Americans that are not working has grown by close to 10 million since Barack Obama first took office. So why does the “official unemployment rate” keep going down? Well, it is because the federal government has been pretending that millions upon millions of unemployed workers have “left the labor force” over the past few years and do not want to work anymore. The government says that another 347,000 workers “left the labor force” in December. That is nearly five times larger than the 74,000 jobs that were “created” by the U.S. economy last month. And it is important to note that more than half of those jobs were temporary jobs, and it takes well over 100,000 new jobs just to keep up with population growth each month. So the unemployment rate should not have gone down. If anything, it should have gone up.
In fact, if the federal government was using an honest labor force participation rate, the official unemployment rate would be far higher than it is right now. Instead of 6.7 percent, it would be 11.5 percent, and it has stayed at about that level since the end of the last recession.

Read more at The Number Of Working Age Americans Without A Job Has Risen By Almost 10 Million Under Obama | InvestmentWatch

It is hard to take numbers seriously when they are stated to be "implied using realistic assumptions for the US labor force" but they don't actually explain how they got to that number.

Calculating the unemployment rate based on the number of people actually looking for work isn't "fudging the numbers", it is the explicit definition of how that number is supposed to be calculated. If you think a different measure tells you more about what you want to know, look at that, but labeling some other measure as the unemployment rate would be misleading.
 

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Time to drop these goons. Shyte for the economy and the environment.


Opposition: Jobs numbers prove Tory economic policies are failing

OTTAWA – The opposition pounced last week on the Conservative government’s insistence that the Canadian economy is still strong despite unexpectedly grim job numbers and an unemployment rate that ticked upwards in December.

The numbers serve as a reminder that the “economic recovery remains fragile, and we must stay focused on our plan to grow the economy and keep taxes low to create the environment where job creation can flourish,” Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said in a statement.

Monthly job numbers are “volatile and our overall trend is positive,” he added.

That proclamation was met with ridicule from Flaherty’s political foes on Parliament Hill.

“When they say, essentially, ‘don’t worry, be happy,’ they are showing how completely out of touch they are with Canada’s youth and their middle-class families,” said Scott Brison, the Liberal finance critic.

Youth unemployment is a particularly stubborn problem for the federal government.

The jobless rate for Canadians aged 15-24 climbed last month to 14% from 13.4% – almost double the rate for the general population, pegged at 7.2% by Statistics Canada for December.

The youth jobless rate peaked at 16.4% in July 2009. It was at 11% a year earlier, before the global recession took hold.

“Youth unemployment and under-employment has led to a record number of young Canadians, in their 20s, with good educations, living at home because they can’t find work,” said Brison, who added that subsidizing young family members is a main cause of debt for many Canadian middle-class families.

Peggy Nash, the NDP’s finance critic, said the numbers prove that Conservative boasting about their strong stewardship of the economy isn’t based in fact.

“It sadly reaffirms what we’ve been raising with the finance minister for some time now,” said Nash. “They’ve been bragging about their employment record but the facts simply don’t back them up. And according to the parliamentary budget officer, their last budget, in fact, caused more job loss than job creation due to the cuts they’ve made to the public sector.”

She added: “Of course we have jobs that have been gained from the depths of the recession. But are we keeping up with our population growth? Absolutely we are not.”

Statistics Canada says the Canadian economy lost 45,900 jobs in December as the unemployment rate rose to 7.2% for the final month of the year, compared with 6.9% in November.

The December drop was led by a decline in full-time jobs, which fell by roughly 60,000. That loss was offset in part by a gain of 14,200 part-time jobs.

Opposition: Jobs numbers prove Tory economic policies are failing | Canadian Manufacturing
 

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It's not gvt's job to be in the business of managing provate sector companies.

Exactly what sectors/industry do you believe can fill the void of O&G?

Fisheries maybe, forestry?

Overpaid manufacturing jobs in Ontario and Quebec. Like the ones that moved to the high dollar US because it made production costs cheaper. Don't forget that we also need lots of tariffs and import quotas to make those high paid jobs viable.

Time to drop these goons. Shyte for the economy and the environment.


Opposition: Jobs numbers prove Tory economic policies are failing

OTTAWA – The opposition pounced last week on the Conservative government’s insistence that the Canadian economy is still strong despite unexpectedly grim job numbers and an unemployment rate that ticked upwards in December.

The numbers serve as a reminder that the “economic recovery remains fragile, and we must stay focused on our plan to grow the economy and keep taxes low to create the environment where job creation can flourish,” Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said in a statement.

Monthly job numbers are “volatile and our overall trend is positive,” he added.

That proclamation was met with ridicule from Flaherty’s political foes on Parliament Hill.

“When they say, essentially, ‘don’t worry, be happy,’ they are showing how completely out of touch they are with Canada’s youth and their middle-class families,” said Scott Brison, the Liberal finance critic.

Youth unemployment is a particularly stubborn problem for the federal government.

The jobless rate for Canadians aged 15-24 climbed last month to 14% from 13.4% – almost double the rate for the general population, pegged at 7.2% by Statistics Canada for December.

The youth jobless rate peaked at 16.4% in July 2009. It was at 11% a year earlier, before the global recession took hold.

“Youth unemployment and under-employment has led to a record number of young Canadians, in their 20s, with good educations, living at home because they can’t find work,” said Brison, who added that subsidizing young family members is a main cause of debt for many Canadian middle-class families.

Peggy Nash, the NDP’s finance critic, said the numbers prove that Conservative boasting about their strong stewardship of the economy isn’t based in fact.

“It sadly reaffirms what we’ve been raising with the finance minister for some time now,” said Nash. “They’ve been bragging about their employment record but the facts simply don’t back them up. And according to the parliamentary budget officer, their last budget, in fact, caused more job loss than job creation due to the cuts they’ve made to the public sector.”

She added: “Of course we have jobs that have been gained from the depths of the recession. But are we keeping up with our population growth? Absolutely we are not.”

Statistics Canada says the Canadian economy lost 45,900 jobs in December as the unemployment rate rose to 7.2% for the final month of the year, compared with 6.9% in November.

The December drop was led by a decline in full-time jobs, which fell by roughly 60,000. That loss was offset in part by a gain of 14,200 part-time jobs.

Opposition: Jobs numbers prove Tory economic policies are failing | Canadian Manufacturing

Anyone that can't find work isn't looking farther than their parent's basement door. Just a quick browse of the Service Canada job board will tell you that.
 

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Time to drop these goons. Shyte for the economy and the environment.


Opposition: Jobs numbers prove Tory economic policies are failing

OTTAWA – The opposition pounced last week on the Conservative government’s insistence that the Canadian economy is still strong despite unexpectedly grim job numbers and an unemployment rate that ticked upwards in December.

The numbers serve as a reminder that the “economic recovery remains fragile, and we must stay focused on our plan to grow the economy and keep taxes low to create the environment where job creation can flourish,” Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said in a statement.

Monthly job numbers are “volatile and our overall trend is positive,” he added.

That proclamation was met with ridicule from Flaherty’s political foes on Parliament Hill.

“When they say, essentially, ‘don’t worry, be happy,’ they are showing how completely out of touch they are with Canada’s youth and their middle-class families,” said Scott Brison, the Liberal finance critic.

Youth unemployment is a particularly stubborn problem for the federal government.

The jobless rate for Canadians aged 15-24 climbed last month to 14% from 13.4% – almost double the rate for the general population, pegged at 7.2% by Statistics Canada for December.

The youth jobless rate peaked at 16.4% in July 2009. It was at 11% a year earlier, before the global recession took hold.

“Youth unemployment and under-employment has led to a record number of young Canadians, in their 20s, with good educations, living at home because they can’t find work,” said Brison, who added that subsidizing young family members is a main cause of debt for many Canadian middle-class families.

Peggy Nash, the NDP’s finance critic, said the numbers prove that Conservative boasting about their strong stewardship of the economy isn’t based in fact.

“It sadly reaffirms what we’ve been raising with the finance minister for some time now,” said Nash. “They’ve been bragging about their employment record but the facts simply don’t back them up. And according to the parliamentary budget officer, their last budget, in fact, caused more job loss than job creation due to the cuts they’ve made to the public sector.”

She added: “Of course we have jobs that have been gained from the depths of the recession. But are we keeping up with our population growth? Absolutely we are not.”

Statistics Canada says the Canadian economy lost 45,900 jobs in December as the unemployment rate rose to 7.2% for the final month of the year, compared with 6.9% in November.

The December drop was led by a decline in full-time jobs, which fell by roughly 60,000. That loss was offset in part by a gain of 14,200 part-time jobs.

Opposition: Jobs numbers prove Tory economic policies are failing | Canadian Manufacturing

Hundreds of thousands moved from the Prairie to build ON in the early 80s. There is nothing stopping their kids from getting off their asses, buying a parka and heading west for one of the tens of thousands of jobs in all categories from IT geeks to healthcare, to finance to management to engineering to trades to agriculture to forestry and everything else you can imagine which pay far more than ON or PQ.

Are these youth afraid of leaving mommy's teat?
 

BornRuff

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Breaking that record in Sask isn't all that hard considering where they are coming from. Their economy is changing quite a bit.

In the end though, the GDP of all of Saskatchewan is still less than half of the GDP of Toronto on it's own. A little more than 10% of the GDP of Ontario.

So, good for them. Oil is obviously a huge boon for these western provinces. But this particular story is kinda insignificant in the broader Canadian picture.

Betcha if yer premier was Liberal you wouldn't be doing so well.

It doesn't take much to profit off being so close to the oil patch.