Easily misunderstood part of the Bible (Luke 14:25-26)
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Religious question.
India is the most religiously tolerant country in the world. Over a 177 million Muslims live in India almost as many as Pakistan's 178 million. Considering the Muslims ruled India for several centuries with an iron fist, that is mighty tolerant of Indians to forgive and forget their past oppressions.
Democracy question.
India is the largest democracy in the world. People freely smoke pot and print whatever they are willing to pay for. India is a poor country having its wealth stolen by the British and before that by the moguls. It is also a very populous country with over 1.2 billion people. It manages the best it can. Unlike America which has less than 5 % of the world population but incarcerates 25% of the prison population. America has more prisoners than India and China combined.
Rule of law question.
India is a very large democracy so some corruption is expected. But the highest court in America with all 9 supreme court judged are basically in the pocket of the party that appointed them. All the recent ruling show big power interest have influenced their judgement.
China question.
Tibet was always a part of China dating back centuries to the silk trade routes. It was the British that wrongly redrew the boundaries between China and India just like they did in the Middle East. But America, Canada and Australia are a result of European invasions that displaced the local natives and occupied their land.
It is all in the history books. You can read it for yourself.
Links, my friend, links are useful. After all are we not here to exchange opinions and learn?
Here is one excerpt.
Tibet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Phagmodrupa Dynasty and the Dalai Lamas
Main article: Phagmodrupa Dynasty
Further information: Tibet during the Ming dynasty
Between 1346 and 1354, Tai Situ Changchub Gyaltsen toppled the Sakya and founded the Phagmodrupa Dynasty. The following 80 years saw the founding of the Gelug school (also known as Yellow Hats) by the disciples of Je Tsongkhapa, and the founding of the important Ganden, Drepung and Sera monasteries near Lhasa.
In 1578, Altan Khan of the Tümed Mongols gave Sonam Gyatso, a high lama of the Gelugpa school, the name Dalai Lama, Dalai being the Mongolian translation of the Tibetan name Gyatso "Ocean".[28]
The first Europeans to arrive in Tibet were the Portuguese missionaries António de Andrade and Manuel Marques in 1624. They were welcomed by the King and Queen of Guge, and were allowed to build a church and to introduce Christian belief. The king of Guge eagerly accepted Christianity as an offsetting religious influence to dilute the thriving Gelugpa and to counterbalance his potential rivals and consolidate his position. All missionaries were expelled in 1745.[29][30][31][32]
Qing dynasty
The Qing dynasty placed Amdo under their control in 1724, and incorporated eastern Kham into neighbouring Chinese provinces in 1728.[33] Meanwhile, the Qing government sent a resident commissioner, called an Amban, to Lhasa. In 1750 the Ambans and majority of the Han Chinese and Manchus living in Lhasa were killed in a riot, and Qing troops arrived quickly and suppressed the rebels in the next year. Like the preceding Yuan dynasty, the Manchus of the Qing dynasty exerted military and administrative control of the region, while granting it a degree of political autonomy. The Qing commander publicly executed a number of supporters of the rebels, and, as in 1723 and 1728, made changes in the political structure and drew up a formal organization plan. The Qing now restored the Dalai Lama as ruler leading government called Kashag[34] but elevated the role of Amban to include more direct involvement in Tibetan internal affairs. At the same time the Qing took steps to counterbalance the power of the aristocracy by adding officials recruited from the clergy to key posts.[35]
Another little tidbit.
Tibet and China: History of a Complex Relationship
The Dalai Lama made a state visit to the Qing Dynasty's second Emperor, Shunzhi, in 1653. The two leaders greeted one another as equals; the Dalai Lama did not kowtow. Each man bestowed honors and titles upon the other, and the Dalai Lama was recognized as the spiritual authority of the Qing Empire.
According to Tibet, the "priest/patron" relationship established at this time between the Dalai Lama and Qing China continued throughout the Qing Era, but it had no bearing on Tibet's status as an independent nation. China, naturally, disagrees.
The Border Between China and Tibet
China took advantage of this period of instability in Tibet to seize the regions of Amdo and Kham, making them into the Chinese province of Qinghai in 1724.
Three years later, the Chinese and Tibetans signed a treaty that laid out the boundary line between the two nations. It would remain in force until 1910.
Ya ,old Egyptian is easyier to read.
The Dalai Lamas a very bad man.
It is still a beacon of light. I think you have a preferred beacon in mind.
India has flying cities in their ancient past also. Jet nozzle the same shape and size as the stepped pyramid, perhaps that was the form used in a production line.
China will more than willingly give up Tibet if the Europeans give up America,Canada and Australia. The mongols expanded the boundaries of China and when the Chinese defeated the mongols these boundaries remained intact. Unlike the Europeans who slaughtered the natives and took their land.
India was a very technology advanced country. Even their Gods were more sophisticated and advanced than the cross carrying Christian God. Levitation and flight were commonplace
extensions of the highly developed scientific concepts of ancient India.
India was a very technology advanced country. Even their Gods were more sophisticated and advanced than the cross carrying Christian God. Levitation and flight were commonplace
extensions of the highly developed scientific concepts of ancient India.
What has Europe to do with Canada. We do not belong to Europe.
Tibet was once free. Now not so. The Chinese are performing ethnic cleansing by importing Han Chinese. Same as with Xingjiang region.
Brute force.
Yeah, nothing like having sophisticated Gods.
Could you explain the benefits of having sophisticated Gods?
They still had to climb a staircase before they were 'enlightened', gods should have already been through that, that the cities fought wars shows they weren't and they brought on their own demise.
It is what you would expect a God who created the whole universe to be, intelligent, merciful and sophisticated. A god that demands a piece of foreskin as a sign of the covenant or introduces human sacrifice by making Jesus his sacrificial lamp is primitive at best. Some may say that was the acceptable level of crassness for that time. But reading Vedic scriptures written 3500-3000 bc. One can easily dismiss those arguments. The Vedas do not compromise or underscore Gods intellectual or rational development. Only the Bible does.
And your point is?
You are easily irritated and suffer from an excess of pride.
Hypocrisy, pride, self-conceit, wrath, arrogance and ignorance belong, O Partha, to him who is born to the heritage of the demons.” ~ The Gita, XVI. 4
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I believe the bible has reduced God to a camel/horse trader by introducing different barter exchanges as the value of sin advanced. Why God needs to make those conditional offers or fails to accept the weakness in human nature to keep promised is beyond divine ignorance.
It is not out of pride but a plea to Jews and Christians and Islamists to stop trivializing God. The God they created in their image is extremely obscene full of human frailties. It might be inspiring to any carpenters son that he could aspire to one day be God. But Jesus was not very successful. He was crucified and not on a wooden cross of his making either.
There are better ways to worship and appreciate God. Give it some thought and skip the ridicule.
Skip the ridicule, not a problem. I take it that you will also cease your attacks that really have no place in the discussion?
Over to you
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Ah that damn wooden crucifix of christ nonsence, the tree of life, we are all crucified on it. It was never reserved for one individual.
God had to make one spot in the Holy Land holy, the location of the cross is probably where He had Abraham almost kill Issac. God followed through so slap a warning label of, 'Don't try this at home.' and move onto empalement over crusifiction, I'm thinking crusifiction would be a lot less painful. White spruce could even have the bark left on it if cost is a factor, no need to take them down if empaled as the pointy design makes it self-shedding unless the skull hangs up an what would the odds be of that happening.
Isaac was about 30 years old when Abraham offered him as a sacrifice to God. So Jesus was not the first to serve as human sacrifice. God tried the idea before with Isaac. Just more proof the Bible was an offshoot of other pagan religions big on human sacrifices.
Jesus talks about cannibalism in John 6: 54-55
54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink.
It is shortly after that the disciples depart from him in disbelief.
John 6:60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?"
61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you?
62 What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before!
63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him.
65 He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."
66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_Isaac
37 according to the Talnmud
Have you researched on the meanings of this?
Biblical narrative
According to the Hebrew Bible, God commands Abraham to offer his son Isaac as a sacrifice. (Genesis 22:5
and 22:8
). After Isaac is bound to an altar, the angel of God stops Abraham at the last minute, saying "now I know you fear God." At this point Abraham sees a ram caught in some nearby bushes and sacrifices the ram instead of Isaac.
Jewish views
The majority of Jewish religious commentators argue that God was testing Abraham to see if he would actually kill his own son, as a test of his loyalty. However, a number of Jewish Biblical commentators from the medieval era, and many in the modern era, read the text in another way.
The early rabbinic midrash Genesis Rabbah imagines God as saying "I never considered telling Abraham to slaughter Isaac (using the Hebrew root letters for "slaughter", not "sacrifice")". Rabbi Yona Ibn Janach (Spain, 11th century) wrote that God demanded only a symbolic sacrifice. Rabbi Yosef Ibn Caspi (Spain, early 14th century) wrote that Abraham's "imagination" led him astray, making him believe that he had been commanded to sacrifice his son. Ibn Caspi writes "How could God command such a revolting thing?" But according to Rabbi Joseph H. Hertz (Chief Rabbi of the British Empire), child sacrifice was actually "rife among the Semitic peoples," and suggests that "in that age, it was astounding that Abraham's God should have interposed to prevent the sacrifice, not that He should have asked for it." Hertz interprets the Akedah as demonstrating to the Jews that human sacrifice is abhorrent. "Unlike the cruel heathen deities, it was the spiritual surrender alone that God required." In Jeremiah 32:35, God states that the later Israelite practice of child sacrifice to the deity Molech "had [never] entered My mind that they should do this abomination."
'In Jeremiah 32:35, God states that the later Israelite practice of child sacrifice to the deity Molech "had [never] entered My mind that they should do this abomination."
So god actually admits here in this alleged passage, that he is fact not infalable, and not omniprecient and can't make his wishes clear to one of his dumb flock. I suppose this Jeremiah had an exclusive interview with this God guy. Full of wonders that book. It's impossible by the very definition of the one true God that such a cock-up could occur. He's lying through his eternal teeth. Or is the reporter an earlier version of todays prestitute?
So god actually admits here in this alleged passage, that he is fact not infalable, and not omniprecient and can't make his wishes clear to one of his dumb flock. I suppose this Jeremiah had an exclusive interview with this God guy. Full of wonders that book. It's impossible by the very definition of the one true God that such a cock-up could occur. He's lying through his eternal teeth. Or is the reporter an earlier version of todays prestitute?
There wasn't anything symbolic about sacrificing Jesus. If they found Isaac sacrifice revolting. Jesus was crucified in full public display. The deluded man was crucified and willingly at first till the full realization hit him and that is when he cried. Craziest love hate relation between God the father and God the son.
Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").
Contrast the prophecy with the reward He received for drinking the cup that God gave Him. How would you fair if your father gave you the same task?
Re:16:17:
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven,
from the throne,
saying,
It is done.
Re:16:17:
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven,
from the throne,
saying,
It is done.
How are the elderly treated by Hindus?
How are Honor Killings looked upon?
How ivan you justify the Caste system.
What is the relationship between being vegetarian as you stated many Hindus are, and the mass ritualistic slaughter of animals to the Gods?
Elderly Abandoned at World's Largest Religious Festival
Anshu Malviya, an Allahabad-based social worker, confirmed that both men and women have been abandoned during the religious event, though it has happened more often to elderly widows. Numbers are hard to come by, since many people genuinely become separated from their groups in the crowd, and those who have been abandoned may not admit it. But Malviya estimates that dozens of people are deliberately abandoned during a Maha Kumbh Mela, at a very rough guess.
To a foreigner, it seems puzzling that these people are not capable of finding their own way home. Malviya smiles. "If you were Indian," he said, "you wouldn't be puzzled. Often they have never left their homes. They are not educated, they don't work. A lot of the time they don't even know which district their village is in."
Animal sacrifice in Hinduism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia