Easily misunderstood part of the Bible (Luke 14:25-26)

[MHz]

The Jews spent 40 years wandering in the desert with Moses searching for the promise land. If God only had 40 days for Jesus. No wonder Jesus felt abandoned and betrayed by God at his crucifixion.

Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").

I'm pretty sure Moses wasn't lost. God even parked them on Jordan for 40 years before He would allow them onto the 'leased' land.

Jesus felt abandoned because He had been subjected to various forms of torture from about 6AM so He was asking God to end His life and after the words, 'It is finished.' His mission was complete and God took away His breath of life. That He was referencing the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15 would have been lost on the crowd then and probably today also.

I'm more of a science girl to be truthful. Even if he showed himself I still wouldn't worship such a creature.

So when your dead relatives and all the other people you have known and loved are alive and looking at because He is the one who pulled them out of death you are going to want to be dead again. I'm betting you aren't that independent.

 

[Goober]

I'm pretty sure Moses wasn't lost. God even parked them on Jordan for 40 years before He would allow them onto the 'leased' land.]

Nope, not leased, Promised.

 

[MHz]

True but that promise isn't due to be in effect (and never was) before the return and the resurrection if the 12 Tribes dating back to Abraham. The covenant had a stipulation that they obey the rules and they broke the rules and God removed them from the land until the return. That makes it a 'leased' land as something that is given cannot be taken back. De:4:30 even says God Himself will scatter them into the Nations so that is #2 for being removed from the 'promised land'.

Isa:66:22:
For as the new heavens and the new earth,
which I will make,
shall remain before me,
saith the LORD,
so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa:66:23:
And it shall come to pass,
that from one new moon to another,
and from one sabbath to another,
shall all flesh come to worship before me,
saith the LORD.
Isa:66:24:
And they shall go forth,
and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me:
for their worm shall not die,
neither shall their fire be quenched;
and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

 

[darkbeaver]

That He was referencing the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15 would have been lost on the crowd then and probably today also.

The bruised heel is in reference to having stood upon the matter of men of flesh, the order of mind beneath his. It is common to many of the old Sun Gods.

 

[MHz]

I'm pretty sure these verse show a different picture while defining what a bruise is in that verse.

Isa:53:9:
And he made his grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death;
because he had done no violence,
neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isa:53:10:
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him;
he hath put him to grief:
when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,
he shall see his seed,
he shall prolong his days,
and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

 

[Harikrish]

Why does God only reveal himself to a select few who all end up dead or delusional? Why is God so obsessed with human sexuality and morality and obedience to his arbitrary code of conduct? We live in a sexually liberated and technology driven world that is more rewarding and abundant than all the promises in the Bible thanks to mans ingenuity. There isn't enough knowledge of science in the bible to pass a grade 6 science test. Without science and technology we would still be living in the dark ages waiting for Jesus's second coming. We still see the lasting effects of the delusional beliefs of a Jewish rabbi where people gather to worship a wooden cross.

 

[Twila]

So when your dead relatives and all the other people you have known and loved are alive and looking at because He is the one who pulled them out of death you are going to want to be dead again. I'm betting you aren't that independent.

I don't believe cause he/it doesn't exist. When I'm dead and your dead, we'll both be dead. they're ain't nothin after death.

 

[Harikrish]

I'm pretty sure Moses wasn't lost. God even parked them on Jordan for 40 years before He would allow them onto the 'leased' land.

Jesus felt abandoned because He had been subjected to various forms of torture from about 6AM so He was asking God to end His life and after the words, 'It is finished.' His mission was complete and God took away His breath of life. That He was referencing the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15 would have been lost on the crowd then and probably today also.


So when your dead relatives and all the other people you have known and loved are alive and looking at because He is the one who pulled them out of death you are going to want to be dead again. I'm betting you aren't that independent.

Jesus suffered more than just a bruise to the heel, the man was crucified. The bruised you are talking about was from being smacked by the guards when he questioned the high priest.

 

[Goober]

Why does God only reveal himself to a select few who all end up dead or delusional? Why is God so obsessed with human sexuality and morality and obedience to his arbitrary code of conduct? We live in a sexually liberated and technology driven world that is more rewarding and abundant than all the promises in the Bible thanks to mans ingenuity. There isn't enough knowledge of science in the bible to pass a grade 6 science test. Without science and technology we would still be living in the dark ages waiting for Jesus's second coming. We still see the lasting effects of the delusional beliefs of a Jewish rabbi where people gather to worship a wooden cross.

Now I have asked a couple of questions but it appears you avoid those? Why is that. Care to answer?
Now in this post you refer to God.
Which 1 are you referring to?

Monotheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Monotheism is defined by the Encyclopædia Britannica as belief in the existence of one god or in the oneness of God.[1] The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church gives a more restricted definition: "belief in one personal and transcendent God", as opposed to polytheism and pantheism.[2] A distinction may be made between exclusive monotheism, and both inclusive monotheism and pluriform monotheism which, while recognising many distinct gods, postulate some underlying unity.[3]

Monotheism characterizes the traditions of Atenism, Babism, the Bahá'í Faith, Cao Dai (Caodaiism), Cheondoism (Cheondogyo), Christianity, Deism, Eckankar, Islam, Judaism, the Mormon Community of Christ, Rastafari, Ravidassia religion, Seicho no Ie, Shaivism, Sikhism, Tenrikyo (Tenriism), Vaishnavism, and Zoroastrianism and elements of the belief are discernible in numerous other religions.[4]
Contents

1 Origin and development
2 More detailed definitions
3 Abrahamic religions
3.1 Judaism
3.1.1 The Shema
3.2 Christianity
3.3 Islam
3.4 Sabianism
3.5 Bahá'í Faith
4 Atenism
5 Chinese view
6 Indigenous African religion
7 Indo-European religions
7.1 Proto-Indo-European religion
7.2 Indo-Iranian religions
7.2.1 Hinduism
7.2.2 Sikhism
7.2.3 Zoroastrianism
7.3 European religions
7.3.1 Hellenistic religion
8 New religious movements
9 Tengriism
10 See also
11 Notes
12 Further reading
13 External links

 

[Gilgamesh]

Why care what Luke or any of them said?

A bunch of stories by a Bronze age semi-nomads often derived from previous earlier Sumerians folk tales. They thought the sun rotated around the earth, the earth was flat, & that pi equaled three.

In Leviticus 'God' thinks hares chew the dud, and bats are birds. Ignorant twaddle.

I am all for freedom of religion but until Communism & the Nazis came along, religion has killed more people than any other institution.

Show the the Big Head In The Sky and I will join in your specific superstition ASAP.

Until then.........

 

[Goober]

Why care what Luke or any of them said?

A bunch of stories by a Bronze age semi-nomads often derived from previous earlier Sumerians folk tales. They thought the sun rotated around the earth, the earth was flat, & that pi equaled three.

In Leviticus 'God' thinks hares chew the dud, and bats are birds. Ignorant twaddle.

I am all for freedom of religion but until Communism & the Nazis came along, religion has killed more people than any other institution.

Show the the Big Head In The Sky and I will join in your specific superstition ASAP.

Until then.........

How did you arrive at your moniker?

 

[MHz]

Jesus suffered more than just a bruise to the heel, the man was crucified. The bruised you are talking about was from being smacked by the guards when he questioned the high priest.

A bruise to the heel will keep you off your feet, 3 days is how long Jesus was off His feet. I suppose you also thing being 'smote' is a tap on the cheek, it isn't.

M't:26:55:
In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes,
Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me?
I sat daily with you teaching in the temple,
and ye laid no hold on me.
M't:26:56:
But all this was done,
that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.
Then all the disciples forsook him,
and fled.

Zec:13:7:
Awake,
O sword,
against my shepherd,
and against the man that is my fellow,
saith the LORD of hosts:
smite the shepherd,
and the sheep shall be scattered:
and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

Really, perhaps you are missing that the 'fowls of heaven' is anything with wings or do you deny they are creatures of the air rathyer than that of being a 'beast of the field.

Rabbits were disqualified due to their feet.

Ge:1:20:
And God said,
Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,
and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Le:11:6:
And the hare,
because he cheweth the cud,
but divideth not the hoof;
he is unclean unto you.

(in part)
rabbits and hares practise refection, which is essentially the same principle as rumination, and does indeed ‘raise up what has been swallowed’.
Do rabbits chew their cud? - creation.com

 

[Harikrish]

A bruise to the heel will keep you off your feet, 3 days is how long Jesus was off His feet. I suppose you also thing being 'smote' is a tap on the cheek, it isn't.

M't:26:55:
In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes,
Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me?
I sat daily with you teaching in the temple,
and ye laid no hold on me.
M't:26:56:
But all this was done,
that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled.
Then all the disciples forsook him,
and fled.

Zec:13:7:
Awake,
O sword,
against my shepherd,
and against the man that is my fellow,
saith the LORD of hosts:
smite the shepherd,
and the sheep shall be scattered:
and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.


Really, perhaps you are missing that the 'fowls of heaven' is anything with wings or do you deny they are creatures of the air rathyer than that of being a 'beast of the field.

Rabbits were disqualified due to their feet.

Ge:1:20:
And God said,
Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,
and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Le:11:6:
And the hare,
because he cheweth the cud,
but divideth not the hoof;
he is unclean unto you.

(in part)
rabbits and hares practise refection, which is essentially the same principle as rumination, and does indeed ‘raise up what has been swallowed’.
Do rabbits chew their cud? - creation.com

When Jesus recovered he was all flesh and bones drained of all blood. The last one to see Jesus was the prophet Mohammad. Jesus was just one among the other prophets of the past. Now that was 600 AD. What is Jesus waiting for?

 

[MHz]

Show the the Big Head In The Sky and I will join in your specific superstition ASAP.

Until then.........

Why would you think I would care if you are gathered before the separation or not, maybe the separation is just the thing you need to become a believer?

When Jesus recovered he was all flesh and bones drained of all blood. The last one to see Jesus was the prophet Mohammad. Jesus was just one among the other prophets of the past. Now that was 600 AD. What is Jesus waiting for?

For God to start the prophecies that have to unfold before He can return. The verse below also stipulates an event that has to happen before Jesus can return. Any questions?

2Th:2:4:
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.

The prophecy itself is what holds things up for Jesus.

2Th:2:7:
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work:
only he who now letteth will let,
until he be taken out of the way.
2Th:2:8:
And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth,
and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th:2:9:
Even him,
whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

 

[Goober]

When Jesus recovered he was all flesh and bones drained of all blood. The last one to see Jesus was the prophet Mohammad. Jesus was just one among the other prophets of the past. Now that was 600 AD. What is Jesus waiting for?

According to Mohammed. Appears you are mixing them all up.
Did my questions offend you?? I still have no answers from you on previous questions.

 

[Harikrish]

According to Mohammed. Appears you are mixing them all up.
Did my questions offend you?? I still have no answers from you on previous questions.

The credibility of the prophet Mohammad is unquestionable. We have 1.6 billion Muslims and growing who accept his prophet ship and will lay down their lives for him. Compare that to 2 billion Luke warm Christians on the decline, tired of the unkept promises. There are believers still in their graves waiting to be resurrected all conditional on Jesus's second coming. I am a Vedantists and least offended by such trivial religious squabbles.

 

[Goober]

The credibility of the prophet Mohammad is unquestionable. We have 1.6 billion Muslims and growing who accept his prophet ship and will lay down their lives for him. Compare that to 2 billion Luke warm Christians on the decline, tired of the unkept promises. There are believers still in their graves waiting to be resurrected all conditional on Jesus's second coming. I am a Vedantists and least offended by such trivial religious squabbles.

Credibility unquestioned by what- numbers. Not a credible answer.
And I am not concerned if you believe you have mastered your religious beliefs.

Now I have asked a couple of questions but it appears you avoid those? Why is that. Care to answer?
Now in this post you refer to God.
Which 1 are you referring to?

Monotheism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Monotheism is defined by the Encyclopædia Britannica as belief in the existence of one god or in the oneness of God.[1] The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church gives a more restricted definition: "belief in one personal and transcendent God", as opposed to polytheism and pantheism.[2] A distinction may be made between exclusive monotheism, and both inclusive monotheism and pluriform monotheism which, while recognising many distinct gods, postulate some underlying unity.[3]

Monotheism characterizes the traditions of Atenism, Babism, the Bahá'í Faith, Cao Dai (Caodaiism), Cheondoism (Cheondogyo), Christianity, Deism, Eckankar, Islam, Judaism, the Mormon Community of Christ, Rastafari, Ravidassia religion, Seicho no Ie, Shaivism, Sikhism, Tenrikyo (Tenriism), Vaishnavism, and Zoroastrianism and elements of the belief are discernible in numerous other religions.[4]
Contents

1 Origin and development
2 More detailed definitions
3 Abrahamic religions
3.1 Judaism
3.1.1 The Shema
3.2 Christianity
3.3 Islam
3.4 Sabianism
3.5 Bahá'í Faith
4 Atenism
5 Chinese view
6 Indigenous African religion
7 Indo-European religions
7.1 Proto-Indo-European religion
7.2 Indo-Iranian religions
7.2.1 Hinduism
7.2.2 Sikhism
7.2.3 Zoroastrianism
7.3 European religions
7.3.1 Hellenistic religion
8 New religious movements
9 Tengriism
10 See also
11 Notes
12 Further reading
13 External links

Bump

Clear you do not understand what the number 40 signifies.



So when did Eve become a sinner.
I take it you are referring to original sin?
Now after Jesus is their still original sin?

Another bump to ya.

 

[Motar]

So, do you hate your parents? Hell, my mom was an abusive drunk, and my father a semi-rapist I ain't never seen. But I don't hate 'em, so I guess I'm not good enough for the Kingdom of Heaven.

Our collective human inheritance is corrupted, TB. We are all heirs through our ancestors to a degrading legacy. To put it bluntly, "in Adam all die..." (1 Corinthians 15:22a) To "hate our parents" is to recognize/disown this degenerate endowment. Our parents would do well to do likewise.

 

[MHz]

There isn't anything that says we can't get tired of perpetual war, that is quite natural. To cause 100 year war so we would feel that was is a bit disturbing quite frankley.

Our collective human inheritance is corrupted, TB. We are all heirs through our ancestors to a degrading legacy. To put it bluntly, "in Adam all die..." (1 Corinthians 15:22a) To "hate our parents" is to recognize/disown this degenerate endowment. Our parents would do well to do likewise.

That might be the earthy way but when God is part of the equation it means the respect you should have stays in place like it should but it will be be pale compared to the respect you have for God. (obviously giving you an immortal body and a sinless heart might tip the scales in His favor) Cheating would be hiding that fact. Christ takes on the role of our farther that chastises all of mankind, Hebrews:12 is the longer and better version.

The credibility of the prophet Mohammad is unquestionable. We have 1.6 billion Muslims and growing who accept his prophet ship and will lay down their lives for him. Compare that to 2 billion Luke warm Christians on the decline, tired of the unkept promises. There are believers still in their graves waiting to be resurrected all conditional on Jesus's second coming. I am a Vedantists and least offended by such trivial religious squabbles.

If God caused the flood to give sanctuary for 5 fingered people before the time of the extermination of all Giants as that was not until the exodus wars. Flood equals plan 'B'. Moses gives the right Law and that should have kept the 12 Tribes on the Promised Land until the time of the precised scattering but the Temple Staff starting killing OT Prophets so God sent Neb in and that took the sword out of their hand, by design operation plan 'B'. Christians were given the right texts and the right understanding and Rome was the reciever. Daniel:8 also says they will corrupt it and they did with the introduction of the Latin Bible. The wayward Church is a death sentence for 'the Flock' so an OT Text to the Gentiles was brought out that gave an option to being a blind Jew or a false Christian but still worship a one true God.
When push comes to shove (meaning the 3 1/2 years that Revelation covers) the 7 Churches and their relationship with God is going to be the standard you have to say a sincere prayer or you will not be granted safety under His seal and on the day the 7th trump sounds is the day you no longer need protection. Prayers in those days arrive at the altar in the Re:4 Temple, the one that took effect in 70AD when the other altar was taken apart. (by God via prophecy).
Muslims still pay the same interest to the World Bank as Christians.

If Jesus came for the Jews and the first teaching was in Samaria then perhaps it was over they weekend that the origins of that book were first given and Mohamed was in the same position as all the other Scribes. If the text was given by Jesus but not recorded until 600AD then that is not a new work, it is the restoration of an older lost work as the teachings were after the 40 days. Mathew is credited with Peter's witness, Mark and Luke were the Scribes that the Vatican chose on 300AD as being the best accounts of James and John so that is why the names are the way they are. I don't know much about the Quran but the statement of the woman matches their belief in who God is. (as far as I know) The odds are the good Samaritan is more in line with their teachings than upping how violent False Christians are. That alone would attract a bigger flock than (false) Christianity. The ones running our show fits the sword of Roman:13 than it does wayward religious teachers. Wars for riches are why wars are fought, people (fighting them) will resist that as being a good reason, make it a religious thing and people can't join up fast enough.

 

[Motar]

That might be the earthy way but when God is part of the equation it means the respect you should have stays in place like it should but it will be be pale compared to the respect you have for God. (obviously giving you an immortal body and a sinless heart might tip the scales in His favor)

"Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you." (Exodus 20:12 NIV)
"Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death." (Exodus 21:17 NIV)
"You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother." (Luke 18:20 NIV)

Respect for parents is a well-established tenet in Scripture, MHz. It is the degenerate inheritance that we all receive "in Adam" that is to be "hated", not the parents.