Durban Climate Change Conference 2011

[petros]

Green investments.

Who will handle them?

When are you going to man up on the benefits of BC's carbon taxes? You called me on so lets go.

 

[ironsides]

Corporations of course.

 

[mentalfloss]

Guys, if you want to go around in circles about things that aren't relevant, go for it.

In the mean time, if you can tie your questions to the science, I might actually give a damn.

 

[petros]

Simple easy question. Since introduction of Carbon Taxes in BC, how much has consumption been reduced?

Where is the money going? Things like transit?

 

[mentalfloss]

Simple easy question. Since introduction of Carbon Taxes in BC, how much has consumption been reduced?

Where is the money going? Things like transit?

Are you asking me about why we don't have an accountable government?

 

[pgs]

Simple easy question. Since introduction of Carbon Taxes in BC, how much has consumption been reduced?

Where is the money going? Things like transit?

Its going to Interfor Timberwest Encana and others to replant and reclaim.
Good business if you can get it.
Crony capitalism.

 

[petros]

Are you asking me about why we don't have an accountable government?

So you want to give money to a) unaccountable banks that invest in coal and b) unaccountable governments that give money to unaccountable banks that invest in coal?

Who should be given the money to invest in green things?

Well? How much has consumption dropped due to BC's Carbon Tax?

I'm man enough to know. Are you?

 

[captain morgan]

Simple easy question. Since introduction of Carbon Taxes in BC, how much has consumption been reduced?

Why do you persist on asking the pertinent questions that require answers that are based in reality as opposed to theory?

Ya big ole meanie!

 

[mentalfloss]

So you want to give money to a) unaccountable banks that invest in coal and b) uncountable governments that give money to unaccountable banks that invest in coal?

Who should be give the money to invest in green things?

Well? How much has consumption dropped diue to BC's Carbon Tax?

I'm man enough to know. Are you?

Took a while to think up your next characterization, eh?

Soon you'll have a voodoo doll of me to stab and prick at will.

 

[petros]

Why do you persist on asking the pertinent questions that require answers that are based in reality as opposed to theory?

Ya big ole meanie!

Strictly because I'm mean. I have no other agenda other than being mean. I don't care where my hard earned money goes when it's out of my hands and oversight. I'm just mean to greens.

Took a while to think up your next characterization, eh?

Soon you'll have a voodoo doll of me to stab and prick at will.

Any time you're ready, cough up the reduction stats or green investments tally sheets.

 

[mentalfloss]

Strictly because I'm mean. I have no other agenda other than being mean. I don't care where my hard earn money goes when it's out of my hands and oversight. I'm just mean to greens.

Just because I'm nice, let's try again.

What are you trying to ask me?

Any time you're ready, cough up the reduction stats or green investments tally sheets.

Why would I care about reduction stats or green investments?

 

[petros]

You are aware of the questions. Go ahead and answer them.

 

[captain morgan]

Any time you're ready, cough up the reduction stats or green investments tally sheets.

To be honest, the data sets that might actually prove the effectiveness of the legislation probably don't exist.

I expect that the reason that they haven't been provided to date is because of the amount of time it takes to scour the web in order to source some meaningless indirect document.

 

[mentalfloss]

You are aware of the questions. Go ahead and answer them.

I'm quite aware that your questions are pointed characterizations of me that have no basis in reality.

UN climate conference: In Durban, Pakistan wins ‘Robin Hood’ award

DURBAN: Pakistan won the ‘Robin Hood’ award at the UN climate talks for proposing financial transaction tax (FTT) as an innovative source of financing the Green Climate Fund (GCF), on Saturday.


The award was given to Pakistan by the youth constituency of the UNFCCC, known as YOUNGO.

“The Green Climate Fund is very important for developing countries. Finding sources and channels to mobilise money into the fund is crucial,” said Director UN-II Mirza Salman Babar Beg, who is part of the negotiating team in Durban.

“Out of all the options relating to innovative sources on long-term finance that are on the table, the FTT is easy to implement and monitor and can raise money in hundreds and billions,” added Beg. “There are various studies that support this argument, and so we feel this option should be considered in the negotiations.”

The Financial Transaction Tax, also known as the Robin Hood tax, is a small levy of 0.01%-0.05% imposed on the trade of stocks, derivates, currency, and other financial instruments.

Although different estimates have been proposed, global economists believe that potential revenues can range from $176 billion to $650 billion per year. These revenues can significantly contribute to the GCF, which will help developing countries to tackle poverty and climate change. It has also been proposed that the tax has the ability to discourage high frequency financial trading that causes big risks to the global economy.

Pakistan has been lobbying to include FTT as a long-term source of finance in the GCF. Earlier this week, it made an intervention in the informal meeting on finance at COP17 saying, “one of the biggest sources of innovation finance is going to be from a financial transaction tax”, and that there must be openness by parties to look at all sources with flexibility”.

The FTT has so far gathered support from many developed and developing countries; but discussion about having it as a long term financing option for the GCF is still pending.

It is also not clear at this stage how this fund will be used and what areas will be specifically addressed through it. There seems to be some debate over distribution too, if it gets materialised.

However, Beg believes that the FTT is practical and a good option, which his delegation is pushing for in the talks.


UN climate conference: In Durban, Pakistan wins

 

[petros]

To be honest, the data sets that might actually prove the effectiveness of the legislation probably don't exist.

I expect that the reason that they haven't been provided to date is because of the amount of time it takes to scour the web in order to source some meaningless indirect document.

If they worked and Carbon Taxes went to where they are needed, Translink would not have needed to beg for and get a 2 cent per litre gasoline/diesel hike to pay for "Green" transit.

I'm quite aware that your questions are pointed characterizations of me that have no basis in reality.

Should this not have came from the Carbon Taxes?

TransLink gas tax is a go

Where the **** is the money? Moonpie and penny whistle investments?

 

[mentalfloss]

If they worked and Carbon Taxes went to where they are needed, Translink would not have needed to beg for and get a 2 cent per litre gasoline/diesel hike to pay for "Green" transit.

Should this not have came from the Carbon Taxes?

TransLink gas tax is a go

Where the **** is the money? Moonpie and penny whistle investments?

So, you just want me to comment on how our government should be more accountable?

You should already know that I agree with more accountability.

You +1 me every time I criticize a lack of transparency.

 

[petros]

Now it's the Govt's fault? Who wants to go green? People or the Govt? People freaked out, offered up money and it went into a sinkhole.

Did people really believe it was going to go for transit, effiency and solar powered moonpie factories?

 

[mentalfloss]

Now it's the Govt's fault? Who wants to go green? People or the Govt? People freaked out, offered up money and it went into a sinkhole.

Did people really believe it was going to go for transit, effiency and solar powered moonpie factories?

You are a very confused person.

Nunavut youth in Durban hear Canada’s a “dinosaur” on climate change

"A serious problem for Nunavummiut"


DURBAN, South Africa — Two students from Arviat, Jordan Konek and Curtis Kuunuaq, from the Nanisiniq Arviat history project, arrived Dec. 1 in the South African coastal city to observe the United Nations climate change summit underway there.

“What is really hard to hear is Canada being called a dinosaur by other youth delegates attending the conference,” Konek said.

Official delegates to the Durban talks are trying to craft a successor to the UN convention on climate change, which led to the Kyoto Protocol, an agreement, signed in 1992.

But Environment Minister Peter Kent has said the agreement, the only one in the world that requires countries to reduce heat-trapping greenhouse gases that cause global warming, is in “the past” while suggesting a full withdrawal from Kyoto is “an option” to pursue a more effective treaty.

That stance has generated criticism from emerging nations like Brazil and China, whose negotiators in Durban say the richer countries in the world should not use the Kyoto agreement as a smokescreen to avoid action to address global warming, share their technological expertise or provide financial aid to help solve the problem.

“This is a serious problem for Nunavummiut because the Arctic is going to suffer the most serious problems if something isn’t done about climate change,” Konek said.

He and Kuunuaq say they’re eager to talk to young people from around the world who are among the 20,000 people now in Durban.

“We want the Inuit perspective on climate change to be heard. This is something that most people don’t really understand. They don’t have the first-hand experience with climate change that we have,” Konek said. “And climate change might be the most important issue for the future of Inuit youth.”

The two Arviat youth plan to remain in Durban until the conference ends Dec. 9. They will then travel to Lesotho, a state within South Africa, to meet with young African filmmakers.

NunatsiaqOnline 2011-12-03: NEWS: Nunavut youth in Durban hear Canada’s a “dinosaur” on climate change

 

[captain morgan]

So, you just want me to comment on how our government should be more accountable?

You should already know that I agree with more accountability.

Where's the call for the green lobby's accountability?

 

[petros]

You are a very confused person.

You bet. I'm confused how normally sharp people can be so easily duped.


I like the nice, shiny, invisible silk suit we've bought for the Emperor not to mention I love what he's done with his hair.