Don't dress like a *****...oops

CDNBear

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I agree with everything you are saying. In regards to the "Wear hunter orange when in the woods," vs. "Don't dress in a revealing fashion," I would add that the comparison really fails because in the first case the person is likely shot accidentally (I don't think most hunters would intentionally kill a human) while in the second case the person really is intent on committing a crime against another person.
The two warnings are valid.

Only one is met with offense.

Which of course is the point.

The real message, to me, is that there is nothing wrong with lasciviousness in women especially when it is already celebrated in men! Moreover, and especially with regards to this thread, even if a woman was dressing in a way she intended to look attractive or to try to appeal to men, that can never justify rape.
No one has said anything to the contrary.

Because it's obtuse.
Not really.
 

CDNBear

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Yes it is obtuse because it's a flippant remark that does a disservice to promoting the actual safety of women and it does nothing to work towards preventing any actual rapes from occurring.
I disagree, given that dress and behavior are key components of the objectification of women, and objectification is a component of rape, the correlation dictates that it is sound advice.
 

Niflmir

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I disagree, given that dress and behavior are key components of the objectification of women, and objectification is a component of rape, the correlation dictates that it is sound advice.

Dress are key components to a woman's (even a man's) sexual image, but the difference between looking at an attractively dressed woman and seeing a sex object or a sexual being is in the eyes of the beholder, not the clothes she has on.
 

CDNBear

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Dress are key components to a woman's (even a man's) sexual image, but the difference between looking at an attractively dressed woman and seeing a sex object or a sexual being is in the eyes of the beholder, not the clothes she has on.
That's an absolute, based on what, I don't know. Logic dictates it plays a part to some statistical percentage, whatever it may be. Thus making the caution valid.
 

SLM

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I disagree, given that dress and behavior are key components of the objectification of women, and objectification is a component of rape, the correlation dictates that it is sound advice.

But saying "dress and behavior are key components of the objectification of women, and objectification is a component of rape" is far, far different from saying "don't dress like a ****" because they are received differently and they imply different intents on the part of the speaker. So in the end, yes it does do more harm than good.

And I believe that ignoring that and trying to pick out a logical rationale behind the flippant remark without acknowledging the harm that it does, doesn't help matters. Do you see what I'm saying?

I've seen you say before, many, many times, that words are important. That is what I am trying to convey here.
 

CDNBear

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But saying "dress and behavior are key components of the objectification of women, and objectification is a component of rape" is far, far different from saying "don't dress like a ****" because they are received differently and they imply different intents on the part of the speaker. So in the end, yes it does do more harm than good.
Sometimes blunt isn't received well.

And I believe that ignoring that and trying to pick out a logical rationale behind the flippant remark without acknowledging the harm that it does, doesn't help matters. Do you see what I'm saying?
Yes.

I've seen you say before, many, many times, that words are important. That is what I am trying to convey here.
True, but I do use it in a slightly different context. But I'll concede.
 

MapleDog

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Some of the clothing that apparently makes some freak out,are not as extreme as they make it seems,its not like the women go out wearing a shirt'blouse opened so low one can see her v***** popping out,like what whatshername had in an award show.
 

55Mercury

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mmmmm vagina!

Sorry, couldn't contain myself.

"What could I do? She had the pussy!"