Don't dictate to me, Canada's Martin tells US

[Roy]

...I think you are the delusional one, if you cant see that the Liberals have caused a huge problem in Canada and are adding to it with a cheap US bashing tactic to win this election, without looking into how that may affect Canadians in the future.

And i am pretty sure you diden't read my post because what i said was that martin is acting like an idiot before the election to buy votes...get it!

 

[Alberta'sfinest]

RE: Don't dictate to me,

What problems have they Caused? Not being the US' bitch is a good thing in my eyes, and if they don't like it, tough titty. They shouldn't have infringed on NAFTA, you're forgetting it was Bush that started everything off on the wrong foot right from the beginning.
If you had bothered to read my post, and not just type away brainlessly, you'd have understood that Martin was doing his job and his opinion never did change. He did everything he was supposed to do to get that money back from the US. He was also right to criticize the US for not being co-operative, cause they haven't been. They walked out of a Conference because it was going to hurt their economy, boo hoo. You're also forgetting that most news sources are owned by rich elitests that hate socialism, as it forces them to be socially responsible for the population they exploit to make their riches, and they'll twist it to whatever view they want the sheeple to follow in their own self interest. It obviousely works. I'm not voting Liberal, because they won't completely protect our healthcare system which reduces the cost per person substantially, and is worth fixing. If you hadn't noticed, the masses are idiots and can't be convinced with good ideas, so propaganda is used instead to appeal to the largest crowd possible. Both Martin and Harper are guilty of using these methods. Elections are a popularity contest, not a battle of wits like they should be. It's all part of electioneering.

 

[Calberty]

I was pleasantly surprised by the poll on CTV. Of 28,000 or so who voted on the website, 2/3rds thought Martin's comments were non-productive and only self defeating and wanted him to tone down the rhetoric.

Most Canadians see through Martin's self-seving shenanigans. The rest are like easily manipulated lap dogs.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Don't dictate to me,

What problems have they Caused? Not being the US' bitch is a good thing in my eyes, and if they don't like it, tough titty. They shouldn't have infringed on NAFTA, you're forgetting it was Bush that started everything off on the wrong foot right from the beginning.
If you had bothered to read my post, and not just type away brainlessly, you'd have understood that Martin was doing his job and his opinion never did change. He did everything he was supposed to do to get that money back from the US. He was also right to criticize the US for not being co-operative, cause they haven't been. They walked out of a Conference because it was going to hurt their economy, boo hoo. You're also forgetting that most news sources are owned by rich elitests that hate socialism, as it forces them to be socially responsible for the population they exploit to make their riches, and they'll twist it to whatever view they want the sheeple to follow in their own self interest. It obviousely works. I'm not voting Liberal, because they won't completely protect our healthcare system which reduces the cost per person substantially, and is worth fixing. If you hadn't noticed, the masses are idiots and can't be convinced with good ideas, so propaganda is used instead to appeal to the largest crowd possible. Both Martin and Harper are guilty of using these methods. Elections are a popularity contest, not a battle of wits like they should be. It's all part of electioneering.

A'finest...another good post. That last brief term......was a mess with the oppositions screaming about one thing or another trying to ursurp the Gov't..........so while maintaining the level of crap coming from hard heads like HARPER in particular..........there has not been much time to DO ANYTHING and SHOW CANADA what the flavor of the Martin Gov't would be like. He is not exactly a favorite type of candidate.........but he sure as heck was not given a chance with all the petty heckling......and determination to bring the gov''t down so we could go to the polls again. Harper is as destructive a piece of crap that ever wore a rug....... and spoke in public. He did NOTHING to make things run smoothly but acted like a frichen child.......

well, now the SOB has his election and hope like heck it backfires in his stupid face.

(so there !!) :x

 

[Colpy]

What crap!

The Americans are our closest friends. They are our relatives, our neighbours, our brothers-in-arms. They help us in disaster (the ice storm, for instance), they put up with our whinning, and have always given us special status as Canadians.

Were they the Imperialist monsters you guys suggest, they would have sent the Friday afternoon shift of the NYPD up here to conquer the place and take our oil

Who would save us? The United Nations? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Paul Martin is an arsehole playing to shitheads. His attack on the American GHG issue was incredibly hypocritical. He has a point with softwood lumber, but jabbing the Yanks in the eye without cause on other issues is no way to address the softwood lumber issue. It is merely a blip in a huge trading partnership.

Martin is also a coward. He uses tough talk with the USA, because he knows they will sigh, bitch a bit, and go back to normalcy after the election. Meanwhile he coddles and arse kisses states that torture, rape, and murder our citizens.

Time to dump these Liberal idiots.

Canadians need to stop being manipulated by Liberal meglomaniacs.

 

[no1important]

RE: Don't dictate to me,

Time to dump these Liberal idiots.

mmm Economy is good, dollar is up, employment at 30 year low, balanced budgets (after deficits by Cons). Things for Canada are looking good. Liek they say, If it ain't broken don't fix it.

A liberal miniority with a NDP holding the balance with at least 10 seats would be good.

Harper is just a power hungry madman, he is the reason Parliament could not do its job properly last time. All he wanted was an election and we had just had one. He could of gotten some of his platform passed if he would of been more co operative with the Liberals. They had the numbers to do it, but no Harper wanted to disrupt things and have yet another election since the election of 2004. He could not capitalize on Gomery then and he sure in hell ain't gonna do it now.

 

[Summer]

Re: RE: Don't dictate to me, Canada's Martin tells US

What crap!

The Americans are our closest friends. They are our relatives, our neighbours, our brothers-in-arms. They help us in disaster (the ice storm, for instance), they put up with our whinning, and have always given us special status as Canadians.

Were they the Imperialist monsters you guys suggest, they would have sent the Friday afternoon shift of the NYPD up here to conquer the place and take our oil

Who would save us? The United Nations? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Paul Martin is an arsehole playing to shitheads. His attack on the American GHG issue was incredibly hypocritical. He has a point with softwood lumber, but jabbing the Yanks in the eye without cause on other issues is no way to address the softwood lumber issue. It is merely a blip in a huge trading partnership.

Martin is also a coward. He uses tough talk with the USA, because he knows they will sigh, bitch a bit, and go back to normalcy after the election. Meanwhile he coddles and arse kisses states that torture, rape, and murder our citizens.

Time to dump these Liberal idiots.

Canadians need to stop being manipulated by Liberal meglomaniacs.

Dear Mr. Colpy,

Please do us all a favor and stop confusing the Bush Administration with the American citizenry in general. Perhaps it's more difficult to see from across the border, but they really are two very different things.

Sincerely,
The American People

 

[no1important]

48% of Canadians say U.S. relations worsening

A teaser:

Almost half of Canadians believe cross-border relations have worsened over the past year, according to a new poll conducted by The Strategic Counsel for CTV and The Globe and Mail.

While 48 per cent of Canadians believe relations have worsened with the U.S. in the past year, only 11 per cent believe the relationship has improved. And while 63 per cent of Canadians say they're concerned about the perceived phenomenon, 36 per cent say they aren't concerned.

Another 63 per cent of Canadians believe the U.S. is responsible for what they see as a souring relationship, while 28 per cent say it is Canada's fault.

When asked how they felt about Martin's criticism of the U.S. efforts to reduce global warming, 61 per cent of those polled said Martin has the responsibility to make such statements during an election.

"People think it's alright for Paul Martin to take a strong stand against the U.S., but it's also alright for the U.S. ambassador to take a strong stance against Canada," Woolstencroft said. "It shows a sense of fairness that Canadians have, that each side can have their own position."[/end of teaser]

Some interesting numbers there.

 

[DasFX]

Re: RE: Don't dictate to me, Canada's Martin tells US

What crap!

The Americans are our closest friends. They are our relatives, our neighbours, our brothers-in-arms. They help us in disaster (the ice storm, for instance), they put up with our whinning, and have always given us special status as Canadians..

We have done the same, we have assisted them in their times of need and have fought the good fight (when it was justified).

Were they the Imperialist monsters you guys suggest, they would have sent the Friday afternoon shift of the NYPD up here to conquer the place and take our oil

Why would they, they already get everything they need from Canada without have to pay to support Canada. To conquer us would just be an added expense for them.

Just because we live beside and trade with themt the most, why do we have to cowel down to them and follow their every move. If the Americans want to go down a certain path, that doesn't necessarily mean we have to as well.

Would it be so bad if the two nations diverged a bit? Do we have to think the same, do the same things and support the same things to be able to live in peace and trade?

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: Don't dictate to me, Canada's Martin tells US

Just because we live beside and trade with themt the most, why do we have to cowel down to them and follow their every move. If the Americans want to go down a certain path, that doesn't necessarily mean we have to as well.

Would it be so bad if the two nations diverged a bit? Do we have to think the same, do the same things and support the same things to be able to live in peace and trade?

Absolutely not.

We diverge from the Americans in a number of good ways. Most importantly, I think we have a better safety net, and have the opportunity to build a public/private health care system that covers everybody.

I think much of the US political system is off the wall (electoral college?)

I think the US attitude against drugs is crazy. The war on drugs there is obviously a complete failure. I would like to see Canada legalize at least marijuana.

The streak of Puritanism in the American character is something I can live without.

They have a disconcerting habit of engaging in blind, almost fanatical patriotism.

I think we can diverge from the "American Way" on a whole bunch of paths. But I think we should save our "friendship capital" for those things, instead of poking the Yanks in the eye for partisan political gain.

 

[missile]

I read this quote yesterday: Americans Love their country ,while we Canadians worry about the future of ours. Seemed to ring true to me.

 

[Jo Canadian]

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Did anyone see Bill Maher (sp??) on Larry King last night?? He touched on this topic too. And supported Canada's appoach to the US.........saying the US has to get over itself. ( spot on Bill) He also states that more and more nations/leaders should stand up to the lying bush regime and call him on things. The US might want to control everyone.......but it does not respect wimps and yes men. either . ( Not sure the US knows what/who it is anymore)

 

[Walrus]

First of all I would like to say that I agree wholeheartedly with Ocean Breeze - the US Ambassador should have kept his mouth shut. What he is doing is amounting to interfering in a Canadian Election and our Sovereignty in exactly the way that all the Anti-Americans point out everyday.

Next I want to raise a question. The Liberals say that these comments are the result of a Conservative move to have Martin attacked by Americans in order to show that Harper can do a better job at working with our biggest trading partner. While this might be true I think that it would be suicidal for the Conservatives to pursue such an agenda - and I would hope that any savy political strategist in any party would recognize that fact. Once the Americans attacked Martin the focus now is on who can do a better job at protecting Canadian sovereignty from the Americans, in contrast to which party could do a better job of working with the Americans. Most people who want better relations with the Americans already vote for the Conservatives, so obviously having the focus shifted to who can protect our interests is going to hurt the Conservatives. Now, what if the American attack was part of a Liberal strategy - provoke the Americans into attacking Martin and now Martin can stand up as the champion of Canadian Soveriegnty and wrestle some of the voters away from the Conservatives and the NDP.
Does that sound like the Liberals? :idea:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

First of all I would like to say that I agree wholeheartedly with Ocean Breeze - the US Ambassador should have kept his mouth shut. What he is doing is amounting to interfering in a Canadian Election and our Sovereignty in exactly the way that all the Anti-Americans point out everyday.

Next I want to raise a question. The Liberals say that these comments are the result of a Conservative move to have Martin attacked by Americans in order to show that Harper can do a better job at working with our biggest trading partner. While this might be true I think that it would be suicidal for the Conservatives to pursue such an agenda - and I would hope that any savy political strategist in any party would recognize that fact. Once the Americans attacked Martin the focus now is on who can do a better job at protecting Canadian sovereignty from the Americans, in contrast to which party could do a better job of working with the Americans. Most people who want better relations with the Americans already vote for the Conservatives, so obviously having the focus shifted to who can protect our interests is going to hurt the Conservatives. Now, what if the American attack was part of a Liberal strategy - provoke the Americans into attacking Martin and now Martin can stand up as the champion of Canadian Soveriegnty and wrestle some of the voters away from the Conservatives and the NDP.
Does that sound like the Liberals? :idea:

Sounds like politics, as usual;-) and no party specific.. :wink:

Not sure the US equation should play as big a deal in OUR politics as it seems to this time. Would really hate to see CA politics use the US as a political ploy (football)......as that is an insult to everyone.....and won't improve relationships on any level.

The idea is to relieve the strains that remain.......NOT to increase them. We don't need more trouble than we have. Might be an idea to simply follow Ca focus......and that is peace keeping, maintaining nation. That alone points out the vast CONTRAST with the US. Nothing has to be said

 

[mrmom2]

Its a ploy if Martins been to Bilderberg meetings then this has all been a setup .If hes been there then they still want him in charge :x He has done everything they wanted so far hes put us on the fast track to being slaves with the anti terror bill .Now he wants the hand guns 8O This is right out of the elites hand book :evil: Were father along in becoming a police state than the US is :evil: